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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:21 PM

So what's the conclusion? Do we change something or it's just scripted?

There are two conclusions

 

A. Nobody sold (My guess)

 

B. We cannot affect it via single player


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:29 PM

 

So what's the conclusion? Do we change something or it's just scripted?

There are two conclusions

 

A. Nobody sold (My guess)

 

B. We cannot affect it via single player

 

I think it's best that we just assume that we can't affect it. It's the most logical assumption based on the evidence.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:38 PM

Mine is still stuck at 14.39


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:39 PM

 

 

So what's the conclusion? Do we change something or it's just scripted?

There are two conclusions

 

A. Nobody sold (My guess)

 

B. We cannot affect it via single player

 

I think it's best that we just assume that we can't affect it. It's the most logical assumption based on the evidence.

 

Disagree.  There is no logical assumption here.  We can only verify that a handful of people in our experiment even sold, and that's just going off what they posted on the Crew wall.  I'll be the first to go on record saying that it's pretty f*cking hard to convince yourself to sell for an experiment when the stock wasn't even indicating a slow down.  We should've waited until the stock started dipping, not for some arbitrary sell time.  Then after our sell off (which would have been easier to sell investors on), if we influenced it, the stock would take a massive dive.

 

It was fun while it lasted, and was nice to see the forum work toward a global effort, but IMO, nobody sold.  Can we verify any of this?  Naw, it's just all speculation.  Now's the time to take our game to the next level, from experiment to a working insider trading group.  Let's get rich SON.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:48 PM Edited by Driftwood1973, 01 October 2013 - 04:49 PM.

Nice to see that it's still increasing. I'll be working on my insider trading project over the next few days and weeks, so hopefully I'll get that sorted out for everyone to use. :)
 
I'll update the links in my signature now that the sell-off has finished. It was good to get some results and test our theory, even if it was wrong! :)

 
your theory wasn't necessarily wrong..  i bet loads of people not on the forums noticed pisswasser rising to and many are probably still investing in it.
 
 
or it really is random. man i wish rockstar would just explain how they programmed this damn thing

Well, I'm hoping that GTA Online will allow us to affect the stock market through our investments, but that's another theory for another day! ;)
 
It wasn't really my theory. I don't want to take the credit for this. It was all down to 2405. He was the one who got all of this started and then things developed from there. You should thank him, not me. 
 
I don't think Rockstar will be explaining the mechanics of the stock market. Nah, they'll leave that for us to discover! :p


let me give you an example: In Germany we have the DAX . Where the 30 biggest German companies are listed. The cashflow is so huge, that it is almost impossible to tamper with the Share Prices of the listed companies, no matter how much cahs you have to play with. There are just too many big players in the market. And this is mainly in Germany.

The Bawsaq is WORLDWIDE. Theoratically the Cashflow should be 10 times higher than in the real DAX . So it is illusional to think that 10-50 or lets say even 200 people can somehow control the Share price.

There is just too much trading going on.

I still think ,that our Investments have an impact to the Share Price it is a simple supply and demand system. Pretty straight forward to "program". Rockstar invested 200 million in this game. So simulating the stock market should be pretty easy for them to realize.

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:56 PM

 

 

 

So what's the conclusion? Do we change something or it's just scripted?

There are two conclusions

 

A. Nobody sold (My guess)

 

B. We cannot affect it via single player

 

I think it's best that we just assume that we can't affect it. It's the most logical assumption based on the evidence.

 

Disagree.  There is no logical assumption here.  We can only verify that a handful of people in our experiment even sold, and that's just going off what they posted on the Crew wall.  I'll be the first to go on record saying that it's pretty f*cking hard to convince yourself to sell for an experiment when the stock wasn't even indicating a slow down.  We should've waited until the stock started dipping, not for some arbitrary sell time.  Then after our sell off (which would have been easier to sell investors on), if we influenced it, the stock would take a massive dive.

 

It was fun while it lasted, and was nice to see the forum work toward a global effort, but IMO, nobody sold.  Can we verify any of this?  Naw, it's just all speculation.  Now's the time to take our game to the next level, from experiment to a working insider trading group.  Let's get rich SON.

 

I disagree. Mass selling while it was already dropping wouldn't be conclusive either.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:57 PM

Okay my Pisswasser stock went from 14.39 to 14.72

 

2.22 return % and made 30mil with this on Michael. Invested 1500m on it :D


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 04:59 PM

So there has been no crash so far...how long are we waiting? a couple days? What's the plan now guys...

 

Also what stock are we pump/dumping next


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:01 PM

Okay my Pisswasser stock went from 14.39 to 14.72

 

2.22 return % and made 30mil with this on Michael. Invested 1500m on it :D

 

There's a pretty good chance it will double again over the next few days and then double again, to $50+

 

Recommendation is still BUY all the way.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:07 PM

So there has been no crash so far...how long are we waiting? a couple days? What's the plan now guys...

 

Also what stock are we pump/dumping next

 

Stock shows absolutely no sign of slowing down on its upward trend, plus GTA:O has been launched officially, so there's no point in staying out of PIS any longer. Invest all your money and make some buck for your single-player characters.

 

With GTA:O now online, we should wait for 3 or 4 days after launch, till the dust settles (IF the dust settles by then) so we can try something and hope to get meaningful results and money out of it.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:10 PM

 

 

 

 

So what's the conclusion? Do we change something or it's just scripted?

There are two conclusions

 

A. Nobody sold (My guess)

 

B. We cannot affect it via single player

 

I think it's best that we just assume that we can't affect it. It's the most logical assumption based on the evidence.

 

Disagree.  There is no logical assumption here.  We can only verify that a handful of people in our experiment even sold, and that's just going off what they posted on the Crew wall.  I'll be the first to go on record saying that it's pretty f*cking hard to convince yourself to sell for an experiment when the stock wasn't even indicating a slow down.  We should've waited until the stock started dipping, not for some arbitrary sell time.  Then after our sell off (which would have been easier to sell investors on), if we influenced it, the stock would take a massive dive.

 

It was fun while it lasted, and was nice to see the forum work toward a global effort, but IMO, nobody sold.  Can we verify any of this?  Naw, it's just all speculation.  Now's the time to take our game to the next level, from experiment to a working insider trading group.  Let's get rich SON.

 

I disagree. Mass selling while it was already dropping wouldn't be conclusive either.

 

It would more conclusive than assuming everyone sold and stating that we cannot affect it.  If we sold while it was on a mild slide, and we could indeed affect it, it would move from a mild slide to a sharp dive.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:12 PM

about 100-200 from 1 sub-reddit sold, then another subreddit, then gtaforums, so i think we just cant affect it in SP


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:19 PM

Invested 1300M in Pisswasser

Where the hell did you get so many?


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:27 PM

 

Invested 1300M in Pisswasser

Where the hell did you get so many?

 

 

Assasin missions to the last :)


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:28 PM

lemme tell you something BROTHER, you cant change mp prices by single player money, JACK


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:36 PM

 

 

Invested 1300M in Pisswasser

Where the hell did you get so many?

 

 

Assasin missions to the last :)

 

Nice. :)


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 05:36 PM

$14.72 PS3


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:02 PM

so did 2405 leave town?


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:09 PM

I kinda doubt that players have any effect on stock market. It's still going up, I sold everything last night and so did many other people, and there was no effect at all.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:14 PM

I didn't sell. Let's keep this baby going.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:21 PM

Tbh I think it's a bit early to be giving up. I think it might take a day or so for the effects to show...and with the online mode launching tonight it could take longer.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:10 PM

Maybe it can't show any effect because of the savegame backups ? I mean idk in what way they affect the market or in what way people made backups. 

 

I had two savegames til I came home, one where I sold everything, and one where I still had everything invested into PIS (forgot to overwrite it).

 

So idk I was just thinking 


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

Maybe it can't show any effect because of the savegame backups ? I mean idk in what way they affect the market or in what way people made backups. 

 

I had two savegames til I came home, one where I sold everything, and one where I still had everything invested into PIS (forgot to overwrite it).

 

So idk I was just thinking 

Personally I didn't understand why people were making backups in the first place. Stocking trading in real life is full of risk....just like BAWSAQ should be for GTA V. The risk is half of the fun and when it pays off you get a real reward and sense of achievement even if it's just a game.

In my opinion if you can't stand the risk get out and don't bother with stock trading because it's obviously not for you if you have to rely on backups of saved games to make a profit.

My first play through of GTA:

- I didn't save all the assassination missions for after the last heist as I didn't know how the story would pan out or if it would let me even do that.
- I didn't make one backup of my save and put in every penny I had acquired from the main story from Franklin, Trev & Michael into PIS which was about £50-60million each.
- The risk was fun and that is what the stock market is all about.

Cheating the system and reloading old saves destroys the experiment potentially and what is the fun in that? If the trading crew allows people to do that then the trading crew in my eyes is a waste of time and a phony. It should be a genuine trade with genuine risk involved. 
 

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:11 PM

At $14.98 now on PS3.


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:14 PM

 

Maybe it can't show any effect because of the savegame backups ? I mean idk in what way they affect the market or in what way people made backups. 

 

I had two savegames til I came home, one where I sold everything, and one where I still had everything invested into PIS (forgot to overwrite it).

 

So idk I was just thinking 

Personally I didn't understand why people were making backups in the first place. Stocking trading in real life is full of risk....just like BAWSAQ should be for GTA V. The risk is half of the fun and when it pays off you get a real reward and sense of achievement even if it's just a game.

In my opinion if you can't stand the risk get out and don't bother with stock trading because it's obviously not for you if you have to rely on backups of saved games to make a profit.

My first play through of GTA:

- I didn't save all the assassination missions for after the last heist as I didn't know how the story would pan out or if it would let me even do that.
- I didn't make one backup of my save and put in every penny I had acquired from the main story from Franklin, Trev & Michael into PIS which was about £50-60million each.
- The risk was fun and that is what the stock market is all about.

Cheating the system and reloading old saves destroys the experiment potentially and what is the fun in that? If the trading crew allows people to do that then the trading crew in my eyes is a waste of time and a phony. It should be a genuine trade with genuine risk involved. 
 

 

 

Well said. You didnt do that first time cause you didnt know. I bet you did it the second time

 

Just like the rest of us


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:19 PM

Hmm I gonna sell all before I go to bed lol 


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:21 PM

 

 

Maybe it can't show any effect because of the savegame backups ? I mean idk in what way they affect the market or in what way people made backups. 

 

I had two savegames til I came home, one where I sold everything, and one where I still had everything invested into PIS (forgot to overwrite it).

 

So idk I was just thinking 

Personally I didn't understand why people were making backups in the first place. Stocking trading in real life is full of risk....just like BAWSAQ should be for GTA V. The risk is half of the fun and when it pays off you get a real reward and sense of achievement even if it's just a game.

In my opinion if you can't stand the risk get out and don't bother with stock trading because it's obviously not for you if you have to rely on backups of saved games to make a profit.

My first play through of GTA:

- I didn't save all the assassination missions for after the last heist as I didn't know how the story would pan out or if it would let me even do that.
- I didn't make one backup of my save and put in every penny I had acquired from the main story from Franklin, Trev & Michael into PIS which was about £50-60million each.
- The risk was fun and that is what the stock market is all about.

Cheating the system and reloading old saves destroys the experiment potentially and what is the fun in that? If the trading crew allows people to do that then the trading crew in my eyes is a waste of time and a phony. It should be a genuine trade with genuine risk involved. 
 

 

 

Well said. You didnt do that first time cause you didnt know. I bet you did it the second time

 

Just like the rest of us

 

Nope, only one save and one play through. I'm at 88.8%. Will only be replaying missions on the same save file to get some golds I missed.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:26 PM

Maybe it can't show any effect because of the savegame backups ? I mean idk in what way they affect the market or in what way people made backups. 
 
I had two savegames til I came home, one where I sold everything, and one where I still had everything invested into PIS (forgot to overwrite it).
 
So idk I was just thinking


Personally I didn't understand why people were making backups in the first place. Stocking trading in real life is full of risk....just like BAWSAQ should be for GTA V. The risk is half of the fun and when it pays off you get a real reward and sense of achievement even if it's just a game.
In my opinion if you can't stand the risk get out and don't bother with stock trading because it's obviously not for you if you have to rely on backups of saved games to make a profit.
My first play through of GTA:
- I didn't save all the assassination missions for after the last heist as I didn't know how the story would pan out or if it would let me even do that.
- I didn't make one backup of my save and put in every penny I had acquired from the main story from Franklin, Trev & Michael into PIS which was about £50-60million each.
- The risk was fun and that is what the stock market is all about.Cheating the system and reloading old saves destroys the experiment potentially and what is the fun in that? If the trading crew allows people to do that then the trading crew in my eyes is a waste of time and a phony. It should be a genuine trade with genuine risk involved.

So right Pyro.

I couldnt understand the whole "make a second save, so if it goes tits up, we'll be OK". Real world stocks arent like that - we should play the game for fun, balance risk and reward as we see fit, and if a wrong decision is made on investments, so be it.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:33 PM

nobody would be able to use backups anyway, because the bawsaq is online only. so even if you did reload the stocks will stay as is. am i right?


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Posted 01 October 2013 - 08:40 PM

 

Maybe it can't show any effect because of the savegame backups ? I mean idk in what way they affect the market or in what way people made backups. 

 

I had two savegames til I came home, one where I sold everything, and one where I still had everything invested into PIS (forgot to overwrite it).

 

So idk I was just thinking 

Personally I didn't understand why people were making backups in the first place. Stocking trading in real life is full of risk....just like BAWSAQ should be for GTA V. The risk is half of the fun and when it pays off you get a real reward and sense of achievement even if it's just a game.

In my opinion if you can't stand the risk get out and don't bother with stock trading because it's obviously not for you if you have to rely on backups of saved games to make a profit.

My first play through of GTA:

- I didn't save all the assassination missions for after the last heist as I didn't know how the story would pan out or if it would let me even do that.
- I didn't make one backup of my save and put in every penny I had acquired from the main story from Franklin, Trev & Michael into PIS which was about £50-60million each.
- The risk was fun and that is what the stock market is all about.

Cheating the system and reloading old saves destroys the experiment potentially and what is the fun in that? If the trading crew allows people to do that then the trading crew in my eyes is a waste of time and a phony. It should be a genuine trade with genuine risk involved. 

That's very true, but if its possible to eliminate the risk, of course people are going to do it. Remember, with GTA Online, you get one chance. No reloads, no multiple saves. Just your own instinct in knowing when the best time is to invest and pull your money out. If you lose it all, there's no getting it back! 

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