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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:23 AM

I believe by UFO building, its the WTF building which is a reference to Riplies believe it or not that's in LA.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:29 AM

I believe by UFO building, its the WTF building which is a reference to Riplies believe it or not that's in LA.

 

Okay, just wanted to make people aware haha


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 07:35 AM

Yp it is. And we knew about it allready but thx for reminding :)

Thinking about what we are missing makes my head spin. I think the whole approche we had was wrong.

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i had some thoughts and will post them when i come home from early shift in 5 hours

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:00 AM Edited by pedroc1999, 13 October 2013 - 08:01 AM.

My breakdown of the mural...

 

1. On top there is an eye, or UFO, that appears to be shining. (Our UFO)

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad perfectly from one side, and decently from the other (Could mean symmetry?)

3. There are lighting bolts or power strikes on the outside(Thunder)

4. There is clearly a Cartoony UFO in the 1st square, notice it is much rounder than any UFO we've found ingame

5. There is a cracked egg in the middle square, maybe hinting at the fact this is just Easter Egg?

6. Clearly a man with a jetpack, notice the handles he is holding on to

7. There are only 3 'Connections' inside the mural that make it to the outside, one straight from the Jetpack, one on the top, and one directly above the UFO box, could indicate hidden tunnels

8. There are 'X's in boxes on the Mural, but some are washed away and look a bit more like just dashes

9. There are some sort of 'Stretch marks' leading down from the mural, this i have no explanation of

 

 

Some theories based on above...

 

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad almost perfectly, so for me, it must be the overlay over the map.

7. Maybe, if we had a 3D model of the mountain, we could pinpoint exactly where the tunnels lead out to, maybe revealing something.

 

We also know there is some 'Non solid' bits of the mountain, that somebody has managed to throw bombs into, and they don't fall into Blue Hell, if they did, we wouldn't hear the bang as it being close, so there is something solid in the inside of that no solid wall.

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 09:53 AM Edited by AnEvilVet, 13 October 2013 - 09:56 AM.

Someone on Reddit just posted a theory which is just so convincing.

The Xes show locations of glyphs on Mt Chiliad which show the conditioms under which the Chiliad UFO will spawn.

The three symbols at the bottom show locations of the other UFOs.

The UFO shows the Sculpture Park as that's where there is a car with a round UFO.
The egg represents Paleto Bay where the sunken UFO is. Paleto Bay is home to the Cluckin Bell plant and has numerous egg references.
The jetpack represents the military UFO at the fort. The jetpack in GTA SA was held at a military base.

Personally I think that this is case closed.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 09:58 AM

Possible but why 5 glyphs? 3 with a meaning and 2 without? That is a bit odd

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:05 AM

Possible but why 5 glyphs? 3 with a meaning and 2 without? That is a bit odd


4 of 5 have a meaning. The 5th doesn't as its incomplete.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:06 AM Edited by Benjamoose, 13 October 2013 - 10:07 AM.

And also it'd be a bit irresponsible to use a jetpack as an icon representing the military base without having one in the game actually AT the military base to give reason for it representing the base. Especially given how much they know their San Andreas playing fan-base would want one.

It's a may very well be the solution, but I don't know. It seems a little odd to me.

Someone could always ask Rockstar if there is anything more to the puzzle as they did with San Andreas' easter eggs.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:22 AM

Irresponsible? Well I find it unlikely that you'd be that excited/convinced about flying a jetpack in GTA V if you had no prior knowledge of it from GTA SA.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:22 AM

I found this mark last night (sorry if its nothing or been found)

 

http://socialclub.ro...dF0K_0rwtgKBavA


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:32 AM

Nope pretty sure they're locked. You do realize I'm talking about online right?

 

The doors are not locked ,you can in the tower

So as some of you may or may not know. You can't get into the control tower at Fort Zancudo, unlike single player the two green doors are locked. Well i managed to glitch through the wall and get in. I'll upload some pictures. There's nothing really interesting. Everything is the same except no mini-gun  :(

Just though i would share this!  :)  

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:35 AM Edited by Benjamoose, 13 October 2013 - 10:38 AM.

Irresponsible? Well I find it unlikely that you'd be that excited/convinced about flying a jetpack in GTA V if you had no prior knowledge of it from GTA SA.

Well there's two possible scenarios based on the proposed solution:

1) You played San Andreas and therefore knew the jetpack symbol was military related and solved the puzzle, leaving you wishing a jetpack actually existed (therefore irresponsible).

2) You didn't play San Andreas and therefore didn't know about the jetpack and therefore was never able to solve the puzzle (therefore irresponsible).

In this scenario the existence of the symbol is for those that played San Andreas, in which case it would be disappointing for those that solved it.

Plus I doubt they'd create this crazy mural for only people that played San Andreas to be able to solve. Especially the average teenager (the usual target demographic) now wouldn't have been old enough to play or understand it.

The puzzle will have been designed so that anyone playing Grand Theft Auto for the first time would be able to get involved and solve it.

So to me... It just seems like a weird solution.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:46 AM Edited by Benjamoose, 13 October 2013 - 10:49 AM.

The proposed solution also raises further questions.

If the solution was to find the UFOs, then why not just have one?

Why have three UFOs, one with a different model.
Why have "segregate and rearrange" written on one.
Why make one disappear but not the others.
Why have the duplicate UFO play a completely different animation to it's counter part.
Why have FIB agents show up randomly at the satellite dishes for 100%.

To me, a puzzle should seem obvious once you know the answer. And while the reddit claim is certainly plausible. To me it doesn't seem obvious.

In my personal opinion, having the mural, the jetpack symbol and all these other random strange things just to find three ships, seems like it's missing a conclusion.

Now do I think that it's leading to/there is definitely a jetpack? No.

But I certainly think there's something more to this. Even if it only leads to some kind of Alien DLC of sorts.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:49 AM

And someone without prior knowledge of a jetpack being used as a vehicle in GTA SA would have no cause to assume it stands for a flying jetpack being available in GTAV.

If you approach this without this prior knowledge it's safe to assume you would tie a jetpack symbol to the military. If you have the prior knowledge then you know where it was found.

And I highly doubt age is a factor here unless we literally have 12 year olds in this thread. After all, you legally needed to be 18 to be sold a copy of GTA SA in the UK.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 10:49 AM

My breakdown of the mural...

 

1. On top there is an eye, or UFO, that appears to be shining. (Our UFO)

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad perfectly from one side, and decently from the other (Could mean symmetry?)

3. There are lighting bolts or power strikes on the outside(Thunder)

4. There is clearly a Cartoony UFO in the 1st square, notice it is much rounder than any UFO we've found ingame

5. There is a cracked egg in the middle square, maybe hinting at the fact this is just Easter Egg?

6. Clearly a man with a jetpack, notice the handles he is holding on to

7. There are only 3 'Connections' inside the mural that make it to the outside, one straight from the Jetpack, one on the top, and one directly above the UFO box, could indicate hidden tunnels

8. There are 'X's in boxes on the Mural, but some are washed away and look a bit more like just dashes

9. There are some sort of 'Stretch marks' leading down from the mural, this i have no explanation of

 

 

Some theories based on above...

 

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad almost perfectly, so for me, it must be the overlay over the map.

7. Maybe, if we had a 3D model of the mountain, we could pinpoint exactly where the tunnels lead out to, maybe revealing something.

 

We also know there is some 'Non solid' bits of the mountain, that somebody has managed to throw bombs into, and they don't fall into Blue Hell, if they did, we wouldn't hear the bang as it being close, so there is something solid in the inside of that no solid wall.

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:01 AM

The proposed solution also raises further questions.

If the solution was to find the UFOs, then why not just have one?

To provide further exploration of the map and so it ties in with the underlying narrative element of Three

Why have three UFOs, one with a different model.

I've covered this in a different post. The sunken UFO is the one Omega refers to. Probably utilised by the FIB to abduct dissidents.

The Sculpture Park UFO is there to distract the liberal element from what the government is actually up to.

These two follow the traditional view of a UFO. Make it noticeable and it serves as a distraction. Ever seen Land Of The Dead? The scene with the fireworks? Shock and awe!

The military UFO is based upon actual salvaged technology. It looks different as it has a military purpose and is retrofitted to look stealthy.

Why have "segregate and rearrange" written on one.

Rearrange the word segregate and you get Easter Egg. Which is what the UFOs are.  Plus, it's possibly a motto for the squadron it's part of, eg Semper Fi for the US Marines

Why make one disappear but not the others.

So you can't glitch up to the model and explore it properly.

 

Why have the duplicate UFO play a completely different animation to it's counter part.

To show that it's a different UFO

Why have FIB agents show up randomly at the satellite dishes for 100%.
The FIB agents show up at other locations before you reach 100%. They aren't necessarily linked to the UFOs.  If they are and are at this location for any reason, it's to draw attention to the radio dish pointing towards Zancudo to lead the player there. 

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:03 AM

I don't think the jetpack represents just the ufo in the military base.It's a logical leap.Let's not get carried away.

 

Imo the reddit theory makes no sense at all.Why put so much effort in something so underwhelming.If they show you a jetpack on the mural you don't assume that they mean something else just because you think it represents something from a previous gta.That's not..logical..you make a logical leap with high % of being wrong.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:04 AM

Let me ask you guys one question? Where is the connection between all those ufos? And where is the evidence? We only assume that the underwater ufo the fort z ufo and the chilliad/hippy camp ufo are conected.

only because i see 10 girls dressed like hooker stamfing on a sidewalk it doesnt mean that they are hookers at all. We only get the direct assumption that they are hookers. We see a connection where might be is no connection

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:08 AM

Three of the UFOs have FIB written on them. One doesn't and looks like an actual IRL military prototype.

 

It's likely that the three FIB ones are government owned and maintained and used to distract the populace from shady government dealings, like in the UK when the government said, hey, let's legalise gay marriage at the time of the MP expenses scandal.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:11 AM

What clues did you use to find the underwater ufo and hippy camp ufo? The underwater ufo doesnt have fib on it btw

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:14 AM

Thought I'd join in and add my tuppance worth. I did originally think a Jetpack may be in the game but after all this searching we still haven't found one. This game has been torn apart, everywhere has been searched by millions yet we still don't have it. We could all be looking in the wrong place but I just feel someone would have come across it by now.

 

For what it's worth I don't think that it would be in the military base as there is already something tied to the mural already there and that is the UFO. If you could somehow take control of that then that would be bigger than a jetpack being in the game in my opinion!


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:19 AM

Thought I'd join in and add my tuppance worth. I did originally think a Jetpack may be in the game but after all this searching we still haven't found one. This game has been torn apart, everywhere has been searched by millions yet we still don't have it. We could all be looking in the wrong place but I just feel someone would have come across it by now.

 

For what it's worth I don't think that it would be in the military base as there is already something tied to the mural already there and that is the UFO. If you could somehow take control of that then that would be bigger than a jetpack being in the game in my opinion!

imo you are wrong.it hasn't been searched by millions.The game map is huge and most people don't even know where the prison is etc...It is a vocal minority who searches for such things.So there is hope and it's still early imo.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:25 AM

 

Thought I'd join in and add my tuppance worth. I did originally think a Jetpack may be in the game but after all this searching we still haven't found one. This game has been torn apart, everywhere has been searched by millions yet we still don't have it. We could all be looking in the wrong place but I just feel someone would have come across it by now.

 

For what it's worth I don't think that it would be in the military base as there is already something tied to the mural already there and that is the UFO. If you could somehow take control of that then that would be bigger than a jetpack being in the game in my opinion!

imo you are wrong.it hasn't been searched by millions.The game map is huge and most people don't even know where the prison is etc...It is a vocal minority who searches for such things.So there is hope and it's still early imo.

 

 

Well I've spoken to a lot of people online and also friends who have searched but to no avail. Just because people don't post on here doesn't mean they are oblivious to what is in or not in the game or what others are trying to uncover. I guarantee there are people mulling over these pages doing their own investigating but don't bother joining in the thread.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:40 AM

Everyone has to remember that one of GTA SAN ANDREAS's biggest Easter Eggs/Secrets was only unravelled 2 years ago, and about 6-7 years after the game itself came out, I don't remember what secret it was, but Im sure about it


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 11:47 AM Edited by themutedtrumpet, 13 October 2013 - 11:51 AM.

I must say, I'm not convinced by this new reddit theory. The first one seems spot on; the UFO in the picture looks just like the one on the car and it's in exactly the right place to correspond with the one flying above. The second, less so; Yeah, lots of eggs in this area which relates with the mural again, but this isn't the exact location at all. Quite a long way off in fact. The third is really a stretch for me; Jetpack equates to military base is at best a very tenuous link. Why have perfect representations of what's on the mural at two of the locations and then have the third require a huge leap in interpretation? If there was some jetpack shaped thing at Zancudo, I would be much more inclined to agree.

 

Secondly, you say the x's on the mural show you where the glyphs are, but I have yet to see anyone overlay the mural in such a way that it matches the glyphs properly. It's been close, definitiely, but certainly not perfect. Even it was perfect, there are 5 boxes and only 3 glyphs that have been explained (I am not including the one under the viewing platform as this would not be one of the 5 x's).

 

Finally, this theory (along with every other one I have heard) makes absolutely no attempt at explaining the inter-connecting lines on the mural. I have heard people say in the past that they are unimportant; just decoration. But that seems highly unlikely to me.

 

As an old hand at puzzle games, one thing that always seems to apply is that 'almost right' is the same as 'wrong'. I'm not saying to discount this information entirely, but I don't consider it to be a comprehensive explanation as it stands. I forget who on this thread used this phrase, but it really rang true with me; 'obvious subtlety'. Meaning, when the correct answer is found it will then seem so obvious we will all wonder how we ever missed it. But thanks a lot for sharing, nice to see someone actually have a crack at explaining the mural in a new way.

 

EDIT: Just wanted to say big thanks to Evilvet once again, who has brought a great deal of excellent information and concise summations to the table.


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:03 PM

 

 

Thought I'd join in and add my tuppance worth. I did originally think a Jetpack may be in the game but after all this searching we still haven't found one. This game has been torn apart, everywhere has been searched by millions yet we still don't have it. We could all be looking in the wrong place but I just feel someone would have come across it by now.

 

For what it's worth I don't think that it would be in the military base as there is already something tied to the mural already there and that is the UFO. If you could somehow take control of that then that would be bigger than a jetpack being in the game in my opinion!

imo you are wrong.it hasn't been searched by millions.The game map is huge and most people don't even know where the prison is etc...It is a vocal minority who searches for such things.So there is hope and it's still early imo.

 

 

Well I've spoken to a lot of people online and also friends who have searched but to no avail. Just because people don't post on here doesn't mean they are oblivious to what is in or not in the game or what others are trying to uncover. I guarantee there are people mulling over these pages doing their own investigating but don't bother joining in the thread.

 

again,I doubt there are millions of people searching.I could be wrong but who knows..


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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:07 PM

Back to discussing our theories

 

My breakdown of the mural...

 

1. On top there is an eye, or UFO, that appears to be shining. (Our UFO)

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad perfectly from one side, and decently from the other (Could mean symmetry?)

3. There are lighting bolts or power strikes on the outside(Thunder)

4. There is clearly a Cartoony UFO in the 1st square, notice it is much rounder than any UFO we've found ingame. Similiar to the UFO on top of the car in Sandy Shored

5. There is a cracked egg in the middle square, maybe hinting at the fact this is just Easter Egg?

6. Clearly a man with a jetpack, notice the handles he is holding on to

7. There are only 3 'Connections' inside the mural that make it to the outside, one straight from the Jetpack, one on the top, and one directly above the UFO box, could indicate hidden tunnels

8. There are 'X's in boxes on the Mural, but some are washed away and look a bit more like just dashes

9. There are some sort of 'Stretch marks' leading down from the mural, this i have no explanation of

 

 

Some theories based on above...

 

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad almost perfectly, so for me, it must be the overlay over the map.

7. Maybe, if we had a 3D model of the mountain, we could pinpoint exactly where the tunnels lead out to, maybe revealing something.

 

We also know there is some 'Non solid' bits of the mountain, that somebody has managed to throw bombs into, and they don't fall into Blue Hell, if they did, we wouldn't hear the bang as it being close, so there is something solid in the inside of that no solid wall.

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:32 PM


Back to discussing our theories

 

My breakdown of the mural...

 

1. On top there is an eye, or UFO, that appears to be shining. (Our UFO)

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad perfectly from one side, and decently from the other (Could mean symmetry?)

3. There are lighting bolts or power strikes on the outside(Thunder)

4. There is clearly a Cartoony UFO in the 1st square, notice it is much rounder than any UFO we've found ingame. Similiar to the UFO on top of the car in Sandy Shored

5. There is a cracked egg in the middle square, maybe hinting at the fact this is just Easter Egg?

6. Clearly a man with a jetpack, notice the handles he is holding on to

7. There are only 3 'Connections' inside the mural that make it to the outside, one straight from the Jetpack, one on the top, and one directly above the UFO box, could indicate hidden tunnels

8. There are 'X's in boxes on the Mural, but some are washed away and look a bit more like just dashes

9. There are some sort of 'Stretch marks' leading down from the mural, this i have no explanation of

 

 

Some theories based on above...

 

2. It fits the face of the Chilliad almost perfectly, so for me, it must be the overlay over the map.

7. Maybe, if we had a 3D model of the mountain, we could pinpoint exactly where the tunnels lead out to, maybe revealing something.

 

We also know there is some 'Non solid' bits of the mountain, that somebody has managed to throw bombs into, and they don't fall into Blue Hell, if they did, we wouldn't hear the bang as it being close, so there is something solid in the inside of that no solid wall.

 

 

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:44 PM

Please take your time and read this post closely.

 

First of all forget everything you know about the mural. In addition you can only do what your charakter can do. That means NO goggle, NO forums etc. Only the stuff you have at hand in game.

 

Now let's start:

 

You are standing in front of the mural and are seeing it for the first time. First thoughts are most likely

-What is that?

-Why is it here?

-What does it mean?

-Looks like the mount chiliad.

-etc

 

You will think that the X'es have a meaning of all. What would happen? You start to search the mountain for clues. All you can find are the glyphs. Maybe 2 maybe 3 maybe all.

You start putting them together and figure out that you have to stand on top of the mountain at 3am while it is raining. But as you do so nothing happens. You start to search arround and find the writing with "Come back etc" and the red glyph.

 

Now you start to get 100%. Once done you go back up to that mountain and watch the Ufo appear. You approach it and it seems to dissapear. No chances to interact with it. Maybe you notice the FIB logo maybe not, because it his hard to see while it is dark. 

 

You figure to got to the hippy camp and try to make a ufo spawn there with the same conditions but nothing happens but you find 2 of the same glyphs as you did find on mount chiliad. you try different locations but nothing happens at the camp at 3 am in the night. 

 

 

That's all what to do now? You dont know anything about the ufo high above the hippy camp nor about the one at fort z cause both ufo's are hard to find. as for the hippy camp you can only find it by accident, because there is no real clue on where to find it and for the fort z ufo. let's be honest how high are the chances to find the green glowing on top of that bunker at 3 am in the night. they are really slim. in addition to that you have to make a connection between the green glow and an ufo above you. you could search for hours without finding it. people can confirm how hard it is to spot that lil fcker.

 

what about the underwater ufo? the only thing you know is that omega said that once an ufo had crashed. but as far as i can remember he didnt gave you a clue where it crashed. So that find was a lucky one too. because again you didnt had any clues on where to find it.

 

but if you do see the other ufos on the internet you automatically draw a connection between all ufos. i doubt that this is the case because they cant be linked since we are missing the clues for them.

 

with that all theories bringing all the ufos together are debunked. plain and simpel. 

 

now what are we missing?

 

i had an idea while typing this. we found some glyphs that are "doubled"

 

White glyphs:
3 am 

Rain

On top of a mountain

Washed away

Eye

 

Red glyphs:
Eye

Rain

 

Yellow glyphs:

3 am

(maybe the glyph in the sand next to the red arrow?)

 

theory:

 

I wondered why the glyphs are redundant... but maybe they arent. I believe that each color has his own set of glyphs. the white ones most likely easy to spot pointing where to be the other ones to be found. the glyph in the sand would be another location then. and with the wow signal next to it i assume that the yellow pair of glyphs is for the hippy camp ufo.

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Posted 13 October 2013 - 12:56 PM

Everyone has to remember that one of GTA SAN ANDREAS's biggest Easter Eggs/Secrets was only unravelled 2 years ago, and about 6-7 years after the game itself came out, I don't remember what secret it was, but Im sure about it

 

Anyone remember what the egg was?





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