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Posted 23 September 2013 - 12:32 AM

 

 

Do you not f*cking comprehend how to any person who gets GTA, only a moron could possibly even imagine a woman in the roles of the action that takes place in those games? How the f*ck could you ever believe in Tommy Vercetti if it was Candy Suxxx instead of him? GTFO WITH YOUR FEMINIST FAIRY TALE ROFL ;)
 
Only a moron, or a zombie who actually believe hollywood's bullsh*t. It is hard enough to believe in that sh*t on the big screen, let alone in a video game - the medium whose biggest issue is suspension of disbelief.

You can only fire a gun, drive a car or pilot a plane if you have a penis, otherwise it isn't believable? Good to know.

 

 

No but you must have no brain....

 

Would you see a woman pulling off heists, fighting with other thugs in the streets, getting into crazy police chases while throwing grenades out of a window? No, lol... If you can link me a wiki of some woman who was one of the most notorious criminals that DID get in fights with the police directly, that DID get in gun fights with gangsters, that DID pull off bank heists, that DID do anything that any of the protags did.... You just can't, because the criminal world is dominated by the male gender. There is no question, as much as females want to be considered equal, I do not think this is something they strive for.

 

could you see a woman selling drugs and being a big name? Yes, we already have as brian has pointed out. All you did was literally link a wiki link to the real life Elizabeta..... Nice, way to play right into what Brian said haha.

 

You're brilliant.

 

 

 

Bonnie and Clyde weren't a gay couple from the early 1900s...Bonnie Robbed, Killed people and had a final blaze of glory shoot out with the cops....

 

Just for clarification. Bonnie was a female. And she actually existed outside of a computer or game console.

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:46 AM

 

 

 

Do you not f*cking comprehend how to any person who gets GTA, only a moron could possibly even imagine a woman in the roles of the action that takes place in those games? How the f*ck could you ever believe in Tommy Vercetti if it was Candy Suxxx instead of him? GTFO WITH YOUR FEMINIST FAIRY TALE ROFL ;)
 
Only a moron, or a zombie who actually believe hollywood's bullsh*t. It is hard enough to believe in that sh*t on the big screen, let alone in a video game - the medium whose biggest issue is suspension of disbelief.

You can only fire a gun, drive a car or pilot a plane if you have a penis, otherwise it isn't believable? Good to know.

 

 

No but you must have no brain....

 

Would you see a woman pulling off heists, fighting with other thugs in the streets, getting into crazy police chases while throwing grenades out of a window? No, lol... If you can link me a wiki of some woman who was one of the most notorious criminals that DID get in fights with the police directly, that DID get in gun fights with gangsters, that DID pull off bank heists, that DID do anything that any of the protags did.... You just can't, because the criminal world is dominated by the male gender. There is no question, as much as females want to be considered equal, I do not think this is something they strive for.

 

could you see a woman selling drugs and being a big name? Yes, we already have as brian has pointed out. All you did was literally link a wiki link to the real life Elizabeta..... Nice, way to play right into what Brian said haha.

 

You're brilliant.

 

 

 

Bonnie and Clyde weren't a gay couple from the early 1900s...Bonnie Robbed, Killed people and had a final blaze of glory shoot out with the cops....

 

Just for clarification. Bonnie was a female. And she actually existed outside of a computer or game console.

 

I see you have one example, one.


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Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:13 PM Edited by Starchs, 23 September 2013 - 07:15 PM.

 

 

 

 

Do you not f*cking comprehend how to any person who gets GTA, only a moron could possibly even imagine a woman in the roles of the action that takes place in those games? How the f*ck could you ever believe in Tommy Vercetti if it was Candy Suxxx instead of him? GTFO WITH YOUR FEMINIST FAIRY TALE ROFL ;)
 
Only a moron, or a zombie who actually believe hollywood's bullsh*t. It is hard enough to believe in that sh*t on the big screen, let alone in a video game - the medium whose biggest issue is suspension of disbelief.

You can only fire a gun, drive a car or pilot a plane if you have a penis, otherwise it isn't believable? Good to know.

 

 

No but you must have no brain....

 

Would you see a woman pulling off heists, fighting with other thugs in the streets, getting into crazy police chases while throwing grenades out of a window? No, lol... If you can link me a wiki of some woman who was one of the most notorious criminals that DID get in fights with the police directly, that DID get in gun fights with gangsters, that DID pull off bank heists, that DID do anything that any of the protags did.... You just can't, because the criminal world is dominated by the male gender. There is no question, as much as females want to be considered equal, I do not think this is something they strive for.

 

could you see a woman selling drugs and being a big name? Yes, we already have as brian has pointed out. All you did was literally link a wiki link to the real life Elizabeta..... Nice, way to play right into what Brian said haha.

 

You're brilliant.

 

 

 

Bonnie and Clyde weren't a gay couple from the early 1900s...Bonnie Robbed, Killed people and had a final blaze of glory shoot out with the cops....

 

Just for clarification. Bonnie was a female. And she actually existed outside of a computer or game console.

 

I see you have one example, one.

 

 

1. Bonnie Elizabeth Parker

 

Bonnie Elizabeth Parker and Clyde Chestnut Barrow were well-known outlaws, robbers, and criminals who traveled the Central United States with their gang during the Great Depression. Their exploits captured the attention of the American public during the “public enemy era” between 1931 and 1934. Though known today for his dozen-or-so bank robberies, Barrow in fact preferred to rob small stores or rural gas stations. The gang is believed to have killed at least nine police officers and committed several civilian murders. The couple themselves were eventually ambushed and killed in Louisiana by law officers. Their reputation was cemented in American pop folklore by Arthur Penn’s 1967 film Bonnie and Clyde.

 

2. Sylvete Phylis Gilbert

 

Sylvete Phylis Gilbert, 46, finally got caught after a long string of bank robberies in the Columbus, Ohio area. Law enforcement officials had dubbed her the “Church Lady Bandit” because a witness in one of her early robberies said she looked like someone who had just come from church. She was charged on 12 second-degree felony counts of robbery and 12 counts of robbery in the third degree for robbing numerous banks and businesses between January, 2006 and December, 2010.

 

3. Cora Hubbard

 

Cora Hubbard was a 19th century outlaw who participated in the August 17, 1897 robbing of the McDonald County Bank in Pineville, Missouri. Hubbard, who was compared at the time to the more prolific female outlaw Belle Starr, was one of only a handful of women who actively participated in the actual bank robbery process during that era.

 

4. Starlet Bandit

 

In just one week in April, she robbed five banks in Los Angeles County, including two in one day. Law enforcement authorities gave the glamorous nickname despite her frumpy appearance — a casually dressed, hefty woman in sunglasses, carrying a shoulder bag and holding a cell phone to one ear. In May, FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller told the Los Angeles Daily News that two women were in custody in the case and investigators believe that the Starlet Bandit may have actually been several women, not just one.


5. Barbie Bandits

 

Heather Johnston and Ashley Miller quickly became known as the “Barbie Bandits” after their February, 2007, holdup of a Bank of America branch in Acworth, Georgia. The girls, who met while working at a strip club, plotted with Johnston’s boyfriend, Michael Chastang and a bank teller to pull off the heist. Miller was sentenced to two years in jail and Johnston to 10 years probation, getting a lighter sentence because she was the first to cooperate with the investigation.

 

6. Bank Robbin’ Mama

 

Erica F. Anderson was apparently trying to multitask on the day she was arrested for robbing the Umpqua Bank branch in Grants Pass, Ore., in September, 2010. The 37-year old mother of five pleaded guilty Dec. 17 to robbing two banks in Temecula. That’s when she was sentenced to two years in prison. She was released on $25,000 bail and ordered to surrender to authorities in January.

 

7. Kate “Ma” Barker

 

Kate “Ma” Barker (born Arizona Donnie Clark; October 8, 1873 – January 16, 1935) was the mother of several criminals who ran the Barker gang from the “public enemy era”, when the exploits of gangs of criminals in the U.S. Midwest gripped the American people and press. Ma Barker certainly knew of the gang’s activities, and even helped them before and after they committed their crimes. This would make her an accomplice, but there is no evidence that she was ever an active participant in any of the crimes themselves or involved in planning them. Her role was in taking care of gang members, who often sent her to the movies while they committed crimes.

 

8. Candice R. Martinez


College student Candice R. Martinez was 20 when she was sentenced to 12 years in prison in March, 2006 for robbing four Wachovia bank branches in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. Seven years of that sentence were for pulling a revolver during one of the robberies. Martinez was dubbed the “cell phone bandit” for chatting on the phone with her boyfriend during the heists, which netted the couple $48,620. Martinez, who had worked for Wachovia prior to the robberies, apologized to the bank tellers when she was sentenced.

 

9. Beauty Salon Bandit

 

Beauty salon owner Norma Balderas-Dehernandez started holding up New Jersey banks in January, 2009. By May of that year, the mother of three had hit three bank branches, netting a little over $8,000. In each robbery, she’d hand a note written in Spanish to a Spanish-speaking teller, demanding money. he was sentenced in July, 2010 to 30 months in federal prison.

 

10. Patricia Hearst

 

Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw, the granddaughter of publishing titan William Randolph Hearst, made headlines in 1974 when an urban guerrilla group, the Symbionese Liberation Army kidnapped her from her Berkeley, Calif., apartment. Two months later, she was caught on surveillance cameras robbing a San Francisco bank while brandishing an assault rifle, having apparently taken up her captors’ cause. At her trial, her attorney claimed Hearst had been brainwashed by her captors, but the effort didn’t work and she was convicted in March, 1976. She served almost two years before President Jimmy Carter commuted her seven-year sentence. President Bill Clinton granted her a full pardon on the last day of his presidency.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: 10 Famous Female Bank Robbers | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/10-famous-female-bank-robbers#ixzz2fkEsJ1EQ

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 07:19 PM

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Posted 23 September 2013 - 09:27 PM

It depends on the story, no one is going to like a female protagonist just being there because she's a female. 

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Posted 24 September 2013 - 11:58 AM

LOL @ 10 examples of female outlaws... vs thousands of male outlaws?


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Posted 24 September 2013 - 05:15 PM

LOL @ 10 examples of female outlaws... vs thousands of male outlaws?

 

Millions not thousands

 

But this is about the same standard we hold women to men to.

 

In the Fire service, a woman is allowed extra time, and many other benefits that allow her to not be as fit for the job as a male yet still be hired.

 

I am sorry, but does the fire say "oh it is a woman, I will go easy"? No.

 

Yet we constantly hold women and men to this type of standard. Where it is ok for the women to not be as good, but they are still equal. Both genders have things they are better at than the other, plain and simple. Doing grunt work and getting your hands dirty (or bloody, rather) is without a doubt heavily suited for males. Very few females can hack it, and the ones that do often times are only petty criminals (a few of those bandit gangs of women only made off with a few thousand bucks from a few bank robberies? Lol, that is small time).


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:53 AM

Oh! I pretty sure Historians, Law Enforcement, and alot others will disagree with you


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:32 AM

perhaps they'll make her all le$bo'd out, like super butch with cornrows and tats. she'd be like a dude but not a dude. you know the type...she could still get hookers and $hit. also it could be like an add-on like TLATD or TBOGT.

 

Snoop from the wire comes to mind.

 

I wouldn't care either way.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 04:37 AM

I tend to write stuff sometimes (nothing proffesional, just little stories) I find it hard to write women without them being either like "I DON'T NEED NO MAN I'M STRONG AND INDEPENDANT" or "OH GOD I NEED A MAN I'M A DAMSEL IN DISTRESS!"

 

Obviously since I'm no professional it means nothing but I DO think women are harder to write for. It's hard to make a female protagonist with things like GTA because they always seems to be the same strong and independant who don't need no man! It's not that Rockstar don't want a female lead... They just don't want to have a DISSAPOINTING female lead.


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 05:13 AM

Mods should change the motto of this forum to "video games are where I can be insecure about my masculinity in a safe environment."

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 08:39 AM Edited by Tushie Cushie, 25 September 2013 - 08:40 AM.

I seriously just signed up to comment on how embarrassing half of the dimwits posting in this topic are, hardly understanding the need for feminism and are so ignorant it hurts. 

 

Regardless,

 

They should only write and make a female GTA head if they have the story for it, don't force it for any reason other than "We can write this." 


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Posted 25 September 2013 - 03:55 PM

Too much ignorance in one thread..

Mods should change the motto of this forum to "video games are where I can be insecure about my masculinity in a safe environment."

Yep.

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Posted 25 September 2013 - 07:40 PM

Yeah, it would be totally believable if a woman tried to steal a car with a big f*cknig redneck that weights 120 kg and have a shotgun...


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:14 AM

I don't think GTA is the game to build some kind of 'women's empowerment/equality' plank on. There could be a number of awesome stories of a woman navigating her way through the criminal underworld, but is GTA the best vehicle for it? I think being getting female avatars in multiplayer, with all the usual clothing options etc...basically "Lara Croft : Crime Raider" is as good as you can hope for. That's probably what most people clamoring for it are looking for anyway. They really don't know what they're asking for from R*ckstar.

 

Society at large would probably go apes**** if they included the necessary gameplay features to pull this off. But if R*ckstar were being true to themselves and the GTA legacy they should include at least these 2:

 

1. Mini-game requiring our 'plucky' female protagonist to lure men in passing cars for tricks. Possibly working her way up the prostitution ladder to up-town high-class 'Pretty woman' level. This wouldn't be the whole story, but an optional 'stat' to work on throughout the game, and a nice supplementary source of income. Clothing choices and a few 'hooker pose' controller actions would affect 'desirability' and payout of course. It's ok to gloss over the drug abuse, pimp beatings and so forth. GTA is an overblown dose of reality, but it retains it's sense of humour.  A mocking gesture to the oldest illicit female profession in the world is most definitely warranted.

 

2. Stripping mini-game. Become a stripper and dance in run-down gin-joints for chump change. Again, working your way up the ladder to high-end clubs and private sessions with rich executives for bigger paydays. More complex controller moves here, combo's aplenty, that sort of thing. Make it rain, baby!

 

And so forth. Why not? You're trying to show the criminal underworld in all it's sordid beauty. We've spent umpteen games and hours showing the man's point of view. Why not show the woman's? To hot for TV? Of course it is. You'd have a nation full of hormone raging boys (and man-boys) shaking virtual T&A for hours trying to rack up the 'high score' as the world's most prolific $2 whore, regardless of what 'empowering and affirming' storyline you wrapped around it. I'm sure women's libbers would just love that. But really if it was going to call itself GTA those would have to be mandatory items for sure.

 

So you'd wrap a story around a woman doing some or all of these sorts of things.

1. Prostitute

2. Stripper

3. Porn starlet (probably just a mission or two, or in humorous and noisy cut-scenes. Like the 'dates' from GTA IV). Kill off a rival actress for a hot part and earn cash.

4. Temptress-Assassin would be an obvious choice. Use your skills from jobs 1-3 to get yourself into bed with rival gang-lords and eliminate the opposition.

5. Pimp/Madame - Lure and run girls of your own. Side missions would involve find new sources of drugs to keep 'em happy or they walk on you. Work up to running a brothel / escort agency, maybe a 'franchise' thing. Luring girls from the stuck-up college campus in rich part of town gives better income (happier, higher class of customers) then just grabbing strung out urchin's off skid row. (I realize going after young high-school teens, as in the real world, just wouldn't fly. So R*ckstar would be forgiven for selling out on that one).

6. Drug courier - goes without saying.

 

Remember you are a female trying to climb the criminal ladder engaging in very unsavory deeds, just like the males in games past. Don't expect a role model character you can point your daughter to and say, "be like her". Anyone want their son's to grow up to be the next Trevor? Another example: Some no-good turncoat Avenging Angel is actually killing John's. You don't care about those scumbag guys, but you care that your income is drying up. So you're mission would be to FIND the no-good profit-stealing c-word who's ruining your business (get a 'Franklin' acquaintance to act as a John), set her up for a sting and put a bullet in HER head. Prostitution racket saved. Because this isn't "Life Affirming Auto", it's Grand Theft Auto. Feminists rejoice. Yeah, if some John or serial killer was offing your girls you kill him too (no doubt using your leveled up hooker skills to draw him out of course. Side quest would be to profile him and find out what outfits he likes his girls in. Go to store and buy correct outfit). Nothing can get in the way of your income source.

 

It would be too easy to just vomit out an O-Ren Ishii clone...some high-powered martial arts super-heroic killer who can hand-to-hand men 3x her size and never has to submit to the predations of men etc etc etc. A real crusader. In other words: Unoriginal, safe, predictable, lazy and boring. We see that story play out in hack Hollywood writing too often.

 

I want risqué, I want offensive, I want to be shown the dirty ugly side of urban city life and the people who inhabit it. The males in our stories are Savage Brutes using typically male brutality in all it's glorious ways to get the job done. The history of women in this 'man's' world is typically quite different. Yes you can write a cliche'd story of some Kingpin's daughter who was never respected because of her gender, get's secret weapons training, fights against odds and takes over Daddy's business as a tough-as-nails CrimeLady extraordinaire -- O-Ren Ishii as mentioned -- barely glossing over what 'lesser girls' suffer through in their 'criminal' careers. That's the safe option...but is that Franklin's upbringing? No, he's a typical (ok, stereotypical) gangbanger trying to make a name for himself. There are no doubt a million like him running rampant on American streets right now. What is the million-strong American Girl equivalent and how can we translate *their* stories into something that fits a GTA narrative? Easier said then done, both in terms of storytelling AND in getting approval by boards of directors, shareholders and society at large to actually do it.

 

If you have a female protagonist in a series like this, wasting it on something safe, cliché and predictable seems a waste of time. Ironically the male stories *have* been cliché in the extreme. Their vague familiarity is part of their charm...we can imagine guys like them existing. I'd like to see a woman engage in activities  that see her 'rise to the top' of the dungheap of choice, but in a fashion distantly recognizably as taking place in the real world. A bit of Bonny and Clyde is fine, but don't shy away from the ugly choices woman make (have to make) if they inhabit that world.

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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:21 AM

Don't mean to be sexist but a female GTA character would kill the series. Last thing I need is for her to worry about her high heels breaking while being chased by the fashion police.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 01:25 AM Edited by brian., 26 September 2013 - 01:27 AM.

perhaps they'll make her all le$bo'd out, like super butch with cornrows and tats. she'd be like a dude but not a dude. you know the type...she could still get hookers and $hit. also it could be like an add-on like TLATD or TBOGT.

 

Snoop from the wire comes to mind.

 

I wouldn't care either way.

 

Yo I thought she was a man until like 4 weeks ago.

 

Which is a turn off for men and women (whose minds are not warped) and would be horrible character for a mass audience game.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 02:57 AM

It depends on the story, no one is going to like a female protagonist just being there because she's a female. 

Its really sad that this isn't understood by enough people.

 

Thank god Rockstar understands it cause I wouldn't want to see a GTA or any game that adheres to catering to the two main positions of "NO FEMALE PROTAG?! SEXISM, SEXISM!!!" and WOMEN CAN ONLY BE BITCHES AND HOES, BRO"

 

The whole thing is like an argument between Franklin's Aunt and a drunk Brucie.

 

With that said I'd like to see an origin story about Catalina or Asuka, though I'd love an origin story about most characters in the series honestly.


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Posted 26 September 2013 - 03:41 AM

 

It depends on the story, no one is going to like a female protagonist just being there because she's a female. 

Its really sad that this isn't understood by enough people.

 

Thank god Rockstar understands it cause I wouldn't want to see a GTA or any game that adheres to catering to the two main positions of "NO FEMALE PROTAG?! SEXISM, SEXISM!!!" and WOMEN CAN ONLY BE BITCHES AND HOES, BRO"

 

The whole thing is like an argument between Franklin's Aunt and a drunk Brucie.

 

With that said I'd like to see an origin story about Catalina or Asuka, though I'd love an origin story about most characters in the series honestly.

 

 

Or a story on Tracy when she becomes more mature, maybe from the result of some attack her family and put everybody love in the hospital or the grave. Either Trevor or Franklin help her out


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:27 PM

He is NOT speaking to GTA there. "We haven't found the right game for it yet"

 

So before the feminist fantasy foundation shows up to f*ck up and patronize the hearts and minds of young women everywhere who deserve more respect than those liars give them, let it be said that there is no such thing as a female Niko Bellic, and a female protag would cease to be GTA, change the gameplay entirely, OR feel entirely fake and contrived, patronizing to females everywhere.

 

A female on your crew who is good at some task you need her to do is one thing, expecting a female to live the life of carl johnson, tommy vercetti, or niko bellic, is more than fantasy, it's idiocy, and would be the least-believable GTA ever.

 

He is referencing an entirely different game "We don't have a game yet, but if we do, it would be great".

 

GTA is a social commentary. Females like GTA protagonists do not exist in society to comment on. They do not exist outside of bad movies, and Rockstar makes fun of that feminist BS lie they tell little girls in those bad movies. the end.

Brian you really love these topics don't you....lol.  I bet your heart starts palpitating every time you see the words/letters 'women' and 'GTA' in close approximation to each other; then you realize it's time to write your dissertation.  Every freak'in time man! sheesh. lol

 

p.s.  OP is a pot-stirring nimrod.


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:41 PM

Catalina would be a cool character to play as, except her voice 


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 05:53 PM

LOL @ 10 examples of female outlaws... vs thousands of male outlaws?

 

Hmm, the fact that they are less common would only make them all the more intresting characters in a story.

 

Don't get me wrong personally I don't think any of the current gta stories would have fit a female protag, that said I could definatly see a female protag being a good fit for the gta franchise


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 06:18 PM

Pathetic and embarrassing thread, but not unexpected.

 

I'll echo the few others here in saying that it depends on the story. Don't be ignorant and think a female protagonist is simply impossible. 

 

No idea if Rockstar will go the multiple-protag route for GTAVI, but I think it'd be interesting to have a male protag and a female protag, satirizing the concepts of masculinity and femininity. 


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:06 PM

no,people that are ok with a female protags,arnt thinking,its not as easy as putting a female and thats it,you have to think about it,could a female really work?with theme of gta?the foundation,im fine with other games with female protags,but as a man i want to be able to imagine myself as the guy in gta(the protage)i dont want to fantize myself as a woman,banging hookers?killing cops,stealing cars every 2mins


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 10:09 PM Edited by mercado2121, 29 September 2013 - 10:16 PM.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you not f*cking comprehend how to any person who gets GTA, only a moron could possibly even imagine a woman in the roles of the action that takes place in those games? How the f*ck could you ever believe in Tommy Vercetti if it was Candy Suxxx instead of him? GTFO WITH YOUR FEMINIST FAIRY TALE ROFL ;)
 
Only a moron, or a zombie who actually believe hollywood's bullsh*t. It is hard enough to believe in that sh*t on the big screen, let alone in a video game - the medium whose biggest issue is suspension of disbelief.

You can only fire a gun, drive a car or pilot a plane if you have a penis, otherwise it isn't believable? Good to know.

 

 

No but you must have no brain....

 

Would you see a woman pulling off heists, fighting with other thugs in the streets, getting into crazy police chases while throwing grenades out of a window? No, lol... If you can link me a wiki of some woman who was one of the most notorious criminals that DID get in fights with the police directly, that DID get in gun fights with gangsters, that DID pull off bank heists, that DID do anything that any of the protags did.... You just can't, because the criminal world is dominated by the male gender. There is no question, as much as females want to be considered equal, I do not think this is something they strive for.

 

could you see a woman selling drugs and being a big name? Yes, we already have as brian has pointed out. All you did was literally link a wiki link to the real life Elizabeta..... Nice, way to play right into what Brian said haha.

 

You're brilliant.

 

 

 

Bonnie and Clyde weren't a gay couple from the early 1900s...Bonnie Robbed, Killed people and had a final blaze of glory shoot out with the cops....

 

Just for clarification. Bonnie was a female. And she actually existed outside of a computer or game console.

 

I see you have one example, one.

 

 

1. Bonnie Elizabeth Parker

 

Bonnie Elizabeth Parker and Clyde Chestnut Barrow were well-known outlaws, robbers, and criminals who traveled the Central United States with their gang during the Great Depression. Their exploits captured the attention of the American public during the “public enemy era” between 1931 and 1934. Though known today for his dozen-or-so bank robberies, Barrow in fact preferred to rob small stores or rural gas stations. The gang is believed to have killed at least nine police officers and committed several civilian murders. The couple themselves were eventually ambushed and killed in Louisiana by law officers. Their reputation was cemented in American pop folklore by Arthur Penn’s 1967 film Bonnie and Clyde.

 

2. Sylvete Phylis Gilbert

 

Sylvete Phylis Gilbert, 46, finally got caught after a long string of bank robberies in the Columbus, Ohio area. Law enforcement officials had dubbed her the “Church Lady Bandit” because a witness in one of her early robberies said she looked like someone who had just come from church. She was charged on 12 second-degree felony counts of robbery and 12 counts of robbery in the third degree for robbing numerous banks and businesses between January, 2006 and December, 2010.

 

3. Cora Hubbard

 

Cora Hubbard was a 19th century outlaw who participated in the August 17, 1897 robbing of the McDonald County Bank in Pineville, Missouri. Hubbard, who was compared at the time to the more prolific female outlaw Belle Starr, was one of only a handful of women who actively participated in the actual bank robbery process during that era.

 

4. Starlet Bandit

 

In just one week in April, she robbed five banks in Los Angeles County, including two in one day. Law enforcement authorities gave the glamorous nickname despite her frumpy appearance — a casually dressed, hefty woman in sunglasses, carrying a shoulder bag and holding a cell phone to one ear. In May, FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller told the Los Angeles Daily News that two women were in custody in the case and investigators believe that the Starlet Bandit may have actually been several women, not just one.


5. Barbie Bandits

 

Heather Johnston and Ashley Miller quickly became known as the “Barbie Bandits” after their February, 2007, holdup of a Bank of America branch in Acworth, Georgia. The girls, who met while working at a strip club, plotted with Johnston’s boyfriend, Michael Chastang and a bank teller to pull off the heist. Miller was sentenced to two years in jail and Johnston to 10 years probation, getting a lighter sentence because she was the first to cooperate with the investigation.

 

6. Bank Robbin’ Mama

 

Erica F. Anderson was apparently trying to multitask on the day she was arrested for robbing the Umpqua Bank branch in Grants Pass, Ore., in September, 2010. The 37-year old mother of five pleaded guilty Dec. 17 to robbing two banks in Temecula. That’s when she was sentenced to two years in prison. She was released on $25,000 bail and ordered to surrender to authorities in January.

 

7. Kate “Ma” Barker

 

Kate “Ma” Barker (born Arizona Donnie Clark; October 8, 1873 – January 16, 1935) was the mother of several criminals who ran the Barker gang from the “public enemy era”, when the exploits of gangs of criminals in the U.S. Midwest gripped the American people and press. Ma Barker certainly knew of the gang’s activities, and even helped them before and after they committed their crimes. This would make her an accomplice, but there is no evidence that she was ever an active participant in any of the crimes themselves or involved in planning them. Her role was in taking care of gang members, who often sent her to the movies while they committed crimes.

 

8. Candice R. Martinez


College student Candice R. Martinez was 20 when she was sentenced to 12 years in prison in March, 2006 for robbing four Wachovia bank branches in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. Seven years of that sentence were for pulling a revolver during one of the robberies. Martinez was dubbed the “cell phone bandit” for chatting on the phone with her boyfriend during the heists, which netted the couple $48,620. Martinez, who had worked for Wachovia prior to the robberies, apologized to the bank tellers when she was sentenced.

 

9. Beauty Salon Bandit

 

Beauty salon owner Norma Balderas-Dehernandez started holding up New Jersey banks in January, 2009. By May of that year, the mother of three had hit three bank branches, netting a little over $8,000. In each robbery, she’d hand a note written in Spanish to a Spanish-speaking teller, demanding money. he was sentenced in July, 2010 to 30 months in federal prison.

 

10. Patricia Hearst

 

Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw, the granddaughter of publishing titan William Randolph Hearst, made headlines in 1974 when an urban guerrilla group, the Symbionese Liberation Army kidnapped her from her Berkeley, Calif., apartment. Two months later, she was caught on surveillance cameras robbing a San Francisco bank while brandishing an assault rifle, having apparently taken up her captors’ cause. At her trial, her attorney claimed Hearst had been brainwashed by her captors, but the effort didn’t work and she was convicted in March, 1976. She served almost two years before President Jimmy Carter commuted her seven-year sentence. President Bill Clinton granted her a full pardon on the last day of his presidency.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: 10 Famous Female Bank Robbers | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/10-famous-female-bank-robbers#ixzz2fkEsJ1EQ

 

gta isnt JUST about robbing banks,


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 11:43 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you not f*cking comprehend how to any person who gets GTA, only a moron could possibly even imagine a woman in the roles of the action that takes place in those games? How the f*ck could you ever believe in Tommy Vercetti if it was Candy Suxxx instead of him? GTFO WITH YOUR FEMINIST FAIRY TALE ROFL ;)
 
Only a moron, or a zombie who actually believe hollywood's bullsh*t. It is hard enough to believe in that sh*t on the big screen, let alone in a video game - the medium whose biggest issue is suspension of disbelief.

You can only fire a gun, drive a car or pilot a plane if you have a penis, otherwise it isn't believable? Good to know.

 

 

No but you must have no brain....

 

Would you see a woman pulling off heists, fighting with other thugs in the streets, getting into crazy police chases while throwing grenades out of a window? No, lol... If you can link me a wiki of some woman who was one of the most notorious criminals that DID get in fights with the police directly, that DID get in gun fights with gangsters, that DID pull off bank heists, that DID do anything that any of the protags did.... You just can't, because the criminal world is dominated by the male gender. There is no question, as much as females want to be considered equal, I do not think this is something they strive for.

 

could you see a woman selling drugs and being a big name? Yes, we already have as brian has pointed out. All you did was literally link a wiki link to the real life Elizabeta..... Nice, way to play right into what Brian said haha.

 

You're brilliant.

 

 

 

Bonnie and Clyde weren't a gay couple from the early 1900s...Bonnie Robbed, Killed people and had a final blaze of glory shoot out with the cops....

 

Just for clarification. Bonnie was a female. And she actually existed outside of a computer or game console.

 

I see you have one example, one.

 

 

1. Bonnie Elizabeth Parker

 

Bonnie Elizabeth Parker and Clyde Chestnut Barrow were well-known outlaws, robbers, and criminals who traveled the Central United States with their gang during the Great Depression. Their exploits captured the attention of the American public during the “public enemy era” between 1931 and 1934. Though known today for his dozen-or-so bank robberies, Barrow in fact preferred to rob small stores or rural gas stations. The gang is believed to have killed at least nine police officers and committed several civilian murders. The couple themselves were eventually ambushed and killed in Louisiana by law officers. Their reputation was cemented in American pop folklore by Arthur Penn’s 1967 film Bonnie and Clyde.

 

2. Sylvete Phylis Gilbert

 

Sylvete Phylis Gilbert, 46, finally got caught after a long string of bank robberies in the Columbus, Ohio area. Law enforcement officials had dubbed her the “Church Lady Bandit” because a witness in one of her early robberies said she looked like someone who had just come from church. She was charged on 12 second-degree felony counts of robbery and 12 counts of robbery in the third degree for robbing numerous banks and businesses between January, 2006 and December, 2010.

 

3. Cora Hubbard

 

Cora Hubbard was a 19th century outlaw who participated in the August 17, 1897 robbing of the McDonald County Bank in Pineville, Missouri. Hubbard, who was compared at the time to the more prolific female outlaw Belle Starr, was one of only a handful of women who actively participated in the actual bank robbery process during that era.

 

4. Starlet Bandit

 

In just one week in April, she robbed five banks in Los Angeles County, including two in one day. Law enforcement authorities gave the glamorous nickname despite her frumpy appearance — a casually dressed, hefty woman in sunglasses, carrying a shoulder bag and holding a cell phone to one ear. In May, FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller told the Los Angeles Daily News that two women were in custody in the case and investigators believe that the Starlet Bandit may have actually been several women, not just one.


5. Barbie Bandits

 

Heather Johnston and Ashley Miller quickly became known as the “Barbie Bandits” after their February, 2007, holdup of a Bank of America branch in Acworth, Georgia. The girls, who met while working at a strip club, plotted with Johnston’s boyfriend, Michael Chastang and a bank teller to pull off the heist. Miller was sentenced to two years in jail and Johnston to 10 years probation, getting a lighter sentence because she was the first to cooperate with the investigation.

 

6. Bank Robbin’ Mama

 

Erica F. Anderson was apparently trying to multitask on the day she was arrested for robbing the Umpqua Bank branch in Grants Pass, Ore., in September, 2010. The 37-year old mother of five pleaded guilty Dec. 17 to robbing two banks in Temecula. That’s when she was sentenced to two years in prison. She was released on $25,000 bail and ordered to surrender to authorities in January.

 

7. Kate “Ma” Barker

 

Kate “Ma” Barker (born Arizona Donnie Clark; October 8, 1873 – January 16, 1935) was the mother of several criminals who ran the Barker gang from the “public enemy era”, when the exploits of gangs of criminals in the U.S. Midwest gripped the American people and press. Ma Barker certainly knew of the gang’s activities, and even helped them before and after they committed their crimes. This would make her an accomplice, but there is no evidence that she was ever an active participant in any of the crimes themselves or involved in planning them. Her role was in taking care of gang members, who often sent her to the movies while they committed crimes.

 

8. Candice R. Martinez


College student Candice R. Martinez was 20 when she was sentenced to 12 years in prison in March, 2006 for robbing four Wachovia bank branches in the Virginia suburbs of Washington, D.C. Seven years of that sentence were for pulling a revolver during one of the robberies. Martinez was dubbed the “cell phone bandit” for chatting on the phone with her boyfriend during the heists, which netted the couple $48,620. Martinez, who had worked for Wachovia prior to the robberies, apologized to the bank tellers when she was sentenced.

 

9. Beauty Salon Bandit

 

Beauty salon owner Norma Balderas-Dehernandez started holding up New Jersey banks in January, 2009. By May of that year, the mother of three had hit three bank branches, netting a little over $8,000. In each robbery, she’d hand a note written in Spanish to a Spanish-speaking teller, demanding money. he was sentenced in July, 2010 to 30 months in federal prison.

 

10. Patricia Hearst

 

Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw, the granddaughter of publishing titan William Randolph Hearst, made headlines in 1974 when an urban guerrilla group, the Symbionese Liberation Army kidnapped her from her Berkeley, Calif., apartment. Two months later, she was caught on surveillance cameras robbing a San Francisco bank while brandishing an assault rifle, having apparently taken up her captors’ cause. At her trial, her attorney claimed Hearst had been brainwashed by her captors, but the effort didn’t work and she was convicted in March, 1976. She served almost two years before President Jimmy Carter commuted her seven-year sentence. President Bill Clinton granted her a full pardon on the last day of his presidency.

Continue reading at NowPublic.com: 10 Famous Female Bank Robbers | NowPublic News Coverage http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/10-famous-female-bank-robbers#ixzz2fkEsJ1EQ

 

gta isnt JUST about robbing banks,

 

 

If you want serial killers, drug dealers, carjackers I can find info on those


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 12:31 AM Edited by Corrupt King, 30 September 2013 - 12:32 AM.

Come to Washington, D.C. You think women can't do sh*t tell that to the female gangs bet you walk home naked

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:07 AM

I don't think GTA is the game to build some kind of 'women's empowerment/equality' plank on. There could be a number of awesome stories of a woman navigating her way through the criminal underworld, but is GTA the best vehicle for it? I think being getting female avatars in multiplayer, with all the usual clothing options etc...basically "Lara Croft : Crime Raider" is as good as you can hope for. That's probably what most people clamoring for it are looking for anyway. They really don't know what they're asking for from R*ckstar.
 
Society at large would probably go apes**** if they included the necessary gameplay features to pull this off. But if R*ckstar were being true to themselves and the GTA legacy they should include at least these 2:
 
1. Mini-game requiring our 'plucky' female protagonist to lure men in passing cars for tricks. Possibly working her way up the prostitution ladder to up-town high-class 'Pretty woman' level. This wouldn't be the whole story, but an optional 'stat' to work on throughout the game, and a nice supplementary source of income. Clothing choices and a few 'hooker pose' controller actions would affect 'desirability' and payout of course. It's ok to gloss over the drug abuse, pimp beatings and so forth. GTA is an overblown dose of reality, but it retains it's sense of humour.  A mocking gesture to the oldest illicit female profession in the world is most definitely warranted.
 
2. Stripping mini-game. Become a stripper and dance in run-down gin-joints for chump change. Again, working your way up the ladder to high-end clubs and private sessions with rich executives for bigger paydays. More complex controller moves here, combo's aplenty, that sort of thing. Make it rain, baby!
 
And so forth. Why not? You're trying to show the criminal underworld in all it's sordid beauty. We've spent umpteen games and hours showing the man's point of view. Why not show the woman's? To hot for TV? Of course it is. You'd have a nation full of hormone raging boys (and man-boys) shaking virtual T&A for hours trying to rack up the 'high score' as the world's most prolific $2 whore, regardless of what 'empowering and affirming' storyline you wrapped around it. I'm sure women's libbers would just love that. But really if it was going to call itself GTA those would have to be mandatory items for sure.
 
So you'd wrap a story around a woman doing some or all of these sorts of things.
1. Prostitute
2. Stripper
3. Porn starlet (probably just a mission or two, or in humorous and noisy cut-scenes. Like the 'dates' from GTA IV). Kill off a rival actress for a hot part and earn cash.
4. Temptress-Assassin would be an obvious choice. Use your skills from jobs 1-3 to get yourself into bed with rival gang-lords and eliminate the opposition.
5. Pimp/Madame - Lure and run girls of your own. Side missions would involve find new sources of drugs to keep 'em happy or they walk on you. Work up to running a brothel / escort agency, maybe a 'franchise' thing. Luring girls from the stuck-up college campus in rich part of town gives better income (happier, higher class of customers) then just grabbing strung out urchin's off skid row. (I realize going after young high-school teens, as in the real world, just wouldn't fly. So R*ckstar would be forgiven for selling out on that one).
6. Drug courier - goes without saying.
 
Remember you are a female trying to climb the criminal ladder engaging in very unsavory deeds, just like the males in games past. Don't expect a role model character you can point your daughter to and say, "be like her". Anyone want their son's to grow up to be the next Trevor? Another example: Some no-good turncoat Avenging Angel is actually killing John's. You don't care about those scumbag guys, but you care that your income is drying up. So you're mission would be to FIND the no-good profit-stealing c-word who's ruining your business (get a 'Franklin' acquaintance to act as a John), set her up for a sting and put a bullet in HER head. Prostitution racket saved. Because this isn't "Life Affirming Auto", it's Grand Theft Auto. Feminists rejoice. Yeah, if some John or serial killer was offing your girls you kill him too (no doubt using your leveled up hooker skills to draw him out of course. Side quest would be to profile him and find out what outfits he likes his girls in. Go to store and buy correct outfit). Nothing can get in the way of your income source.
 
It would be too easy to just vomit out an O-Ren Ishii clone...some high-powered martial arts super-heroic killer who can hand-to-hand men 3x her size and never has to submit to the predations of men etc etc etc. A real crusader. In other words: Unoriginal, safe, predictable, lazy and boring. We see that story play out in hack Hollywood writing too often.
 
I want risqué, I want offensive, I want to be shown the dirty ugly side of urban city life and the people who inhabit it. The males in our stories are Savage Brutes using typically male brutality in all it's glorious ways to get the job done. The history of women in this 'man's' world is typically quite different. Yes you can write a cliche'd story of some Kingpin's daughter who was never respected because of her gender, get's secret weapons training, fights against odds and takes over Daddy's business as a tough-as-nails CrimeLady extraordinaire -- O-Ren Ishii as mentioned -- barely glossing over what 'lesser girls' suffer through in their 'criminal' careers. That's the safe option...but is that Franklin's upbringing? No, he's a typical (ok, stereotypical) gangbanger trying to make a name for himself. There are no doubt a million like him running rampant on American streets right now. What is the million-strong American Girl equivalent and how can we translate *their* stories into something that fits a GTA narrative? Easier said then done, both in terms of storytelling AND in getting approval by boards of directors, shareholders and society at large to actually do it.
 
If you have a female protagonist in a series like this, wasting it on something safe, cliché and predictable seems a waste of time. Ironically the male stories *have* been cliché in the extreme. Their vague familiarity is part of their charm...we can imagine guys like them existing. I'd like to see a woman engage in activities  that see her 'rise to the top' of the dungheap of choice, but in a fashion distantly recognizably as taking place in the real world. A bit of Bonny and Clyde is fine, but don't shy away from the ugly choices woman make (have to make) if they inhabit that world.


I'm surprised no one has complimented you for this very well thought out post.
I had a similar idea of a stripper/prostitute character who works her way up the ladder and eventually becomes the mother of a whore house.
Sure, it can be perceived as offensive, sexist, terrible, etc., but most GTA protagonists come across as terrible people involved in terrible things, anyway, and no female character should be exempt from that.

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:30 AM Edited by sweetman, 30 September 2013 - 01:30 AM.

They're just saying that so they don't sound sexist.


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Posted 30 September 2013 - 01:47 AM Edited by plazdiquehardt, 30 September 2013 - 01:47 AM.

I would love to see a woman as a protagonist in GTA, but clearly the fanbase isn't ready for it. If you actually believe that it wouldn't work unless she was a "butchy lesbian," or a "stripper/prostitute," you have a warped idea of what women are. If you think that it wouldn't work because GTA is social commentary, but there are no female criminals to satire, perhaps you should reconsider how important "reality" is in the construction of a virtual world. And if you think it's as easy as dropping Lara Croft into San Andreas, you're what's wrong with gamers and you prove the sentiment that "GTA is awesome but it has a terrible fanbase" (though I will concede, no one's is worse than CODs).

Feminism isn't all about bra burning, my friends. It's actually come some way since the 60's.





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