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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:15 AM

I knew there was talk about a minor character from the GTA IV games making a return, but the

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What are your thoughts on this? For me it was slightly heartbreaking seeing

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but at the same time it was a thrill to see him in the game and really took me by surprise so I say well done R* for the element of surprise factor on that one.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:22 AM Edited by FearTheLiving, 18 September 2013 - 09:22 AM.

I hate it.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:27 AM

I hate it.

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Good point. I think they were a bit harsh giving him a quick, brutal

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and the game never gave much of a reason (at least not at my point in the storyline) of why he was actually in San Andreas in the first place.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:40 AM

 

I hate it.

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Good point. I think they were a bit harsh giving him a quick, brutal

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and the game never gave much of a reason (at least not at my point in the storyline) of why he was actually in San Andreas in the first place.

 

True. Hell in

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so that could explain that, but it doesn't explain why
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when it seemed to clearly point in the opposite direction. I guess it's just R* attempting to make Trevor more bad ass or shock factor. In any case it seems like an insult to the character.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:40 AM

I liked it.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:42 AM

I laughed my guts out it was funny as, Trevor is awesome


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:50 AM

 

I hate it.

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Good point. I think they were a bit harsh giving him a quick, brutal

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and the game never gave much of a reason (at least not at my point in the storyline) of why he was actually in San Andreas in the first place.

 

The Lost MC moved from

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after the Events of GTA IV TLAD in 2008, since the chapter was destroyed after the clubhouse got ransacked. Terry, Clay and Johnny moved with the club too. So that's why Johnny was there in the first place.


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:01 AM

When he first appeared, I marked out so when Trevor killed him so quickly It was a little deflating. But talk about introducing Trevor's character with a bang - f*cking a tough guy, former lead character's girl then killing him with his bare hands.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:05 AM

His death was certainly impacting, but it could have been so much better developed. They pretty much just threw it in to prove Trevor is a crazy maniac, nothing else. A character that had a great line of development in a short story-based DLC and became a fan favorite was wasted in seconds, without almost any emotional backdrop to it. I honestly didn't care as much as I think I should have.

 

Maybe it was because of the stupid leaks that spoiled the scene for me - But I was also aware of

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's death in Red Dead Redemption before playing it, and that didn't make his death any less shocking and sad for me. It's just another case of "killing off old major characters to introduce the new bad-ass ones", like the 80's animated Transformers movie.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:06 AM Edited by Jesse Pinkman, 18 September 2013 - 10:07 AM.

Maybe there will be DLC where you play as him and that will explain it. 

 

John Marston is different case. He had to die, for what he was doing in his past, there was no escape for him and I had a feeling that he will die at the end when I played the game for the first time.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:11 AM

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 09:21 AM Edited by Ash_735, 17 November 2013 - 09:30 AM.

I was expecting it, I spotted it back during Trailer 2 (where Johnny is still wearing his TLAD outfit instead of the altered one and jeans he has in GTAV) but when i brought it up I thought it would be more along the line of the outcome of a large mission where you fight The Lost, but nope, that's the damn opening scene.

 

edit: Here's the shots from Trailer 2, check out that different more built Ron to!

 

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 01:26 PM

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:28 PM

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:32 PM

I would preferred it if Johnny killed Trevor, then we played as Johnny.
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Posted 17 November 2013 - 04:40 PM

I would have preferred Franklin killed Luis or some sh*t instead. Johnny's death was crazy...


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 05:14 PM

I for one loved TLAD and Johnny as a character. He was a protagonist that I could actually connect because he felt like a real person.

When he died in that scende, I was shocked but I could see what R* was going for. 

Honestly, if you're a criminal like Niko or Johnny, things are probably not going to go well for you. Lester hints that Niko has completely went off grid, which probably means he left that old life behind and fell into depression. Johnny was a former meth addict and sadly, stuff like that happens in the real world. People get off that stuff but if they stay around other users, they fall back into it. Johnny was a lot skinnier in GTA V and he acted scared and slow. The meth had impacted him greatly.

R* was pretty much showing that these guys ARE NOT heroes. Criminals are criminals and most of the time, they don't get a happy ending...


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:29 PM Edited by nobum62, 17 November 2013 - 07:34 PM.

at the end of TLAD the player can call angus and johnny will say:

 

"i'll try to cut my ties with the lost."

"i finally got ashley out of my head. she has that need to f*ck up everything around her"

 

the player can also call ashley. ashley will ask johnny for forty dollars and johnny will say:

"you can kill yourself on your own ash."

 

he knows it is to pay off her debts or to buy drugs.

 

johnny was also an ex-addict and HATED drugs, especially after seeing what it has done to ashley.

 

 

 

5 years later, we see johnny as a meth addict still in the lost going "HURR DURR WHY U F*CKING ASHLEY WAAAAAAA"

 

 

f*ck you cockstar for making johnny inconsistant. F*CK YOU.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:47 PM

It was a statement about the effects drugs have on people. Johnny, at the end of TLaD, was a strong character. He was moving on with his life blah, blah, blah. Then he started smoking crystal, and ruined everything.

Trevor, who also smokes meth, is completely insane.
Ron is a nervous shell, who allows Trevor to walk all over him so he can keep smoking.
Wade is a whimpering mess, who possibly has brain damage from the beatings Trevor has given him.

Its all about the drugs.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:54 PM Edited by lizardman563, 17 November 2013 - 07:55 PM.

He became a weak meth head. That's what happens. Trevor is one of the more "uppity" meth users.

 

Get over it. I laughed when Trevor killed him. Probably because I don't like tweakers. 


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:56 PM

He became a weak meth head. That's what happens. Trevor is one of the more "uppity" meth users.

 

Get over it. I laughed when Trevor killed him. Probably because I don't like tweakers. 

i'm going to beat this through your head until you get it you twat.

 

johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. 


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:59 PM

at the end of TLAD the player can call angus and johnny will say:
 
"i'll try to cut my ties with the lost."
"i finally got ashley out of my head. she has that need to f*ck up everything around her"
 
the player can also call ashley. ashley will ask johnny for forty dollars and johnny will say:
"you can kill yourself on your own ash."
 
he knows it is to pay off her debts or to buy drugs.
 
johnny was also an ex-addict and HATED drugs, especially after seeing what it has done to ashley.
 
 
 
5 years later, we see johnny as a meth addict still in the lost going "HURR DURR WHY U F*CKING ASHLEY WAAAAAAA"
 
 
f*ck you cockstar for making johnny inconsistant. F*CK YOU.


How is he inconsistent? Quitting drugs is really hard. Even if you feel free of drugs, you can go back, veeeeery easly. So I don't think it's inconsistent for an ex-meth head do meth again.
One thing leads to another and K ends up with a boot to the face. Simple.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 07:59 PM

 

He became a weak meth head. That's what happens. Trevor is one of the more "uppity" meth users.

 

Get over it. I laughed when Trevor killed him. Probably because I don't like tweakers. 

i'm going to beat this through your head until you get it you twat.

 

johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. 

 

 

...............LOL

 

So Johnny opposed drugs (which is why he began smoking meth in San Andreas), dumped Ashley (which is why he was still in love with her in the events of V), and wanted to try to cut his ties with the Lost (which is why he is still a member of the Lost in San Andreas during the events of V)

 

Did I get that right? 

 

No need for insults or foul language friend. 


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:01 PM Edited by nobum62, 17 November 2013 - 08:02 PM.

i apologize for my rude behaviour. i'm sick of people not getting that cockstar made johnny's character inconstant and made him out of character in GTA 5

 

 

How is he inconsistent? Quitting drugs is really hard. Even if you feel free of drugs, you can go back, veeeeery easly. So I don't think it's inconsistent for an ex-meth head do meth again.

One thing leads to another and K ends up with a boot to the face. Simple.

 

 

perhaps it is possible for johnny to be doing only one of the things i said he wouldn't do, but not all three

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:03 PM

 

 

He became a weak meth head. That's what happens. Trevor is one of the more "uppity" meth users.

 

Get over it. I laughed when Trevor killed him. Probably because I don't like tweakers. 

i'm going to beat this through your head until you get it you twat.

 

johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. 

 

 

...............LOL

 

So Johnny opposed drugs (which is why he began smoking meth in San Andreas), dumped Ashley (which is why he was still in love with her in the events of V), and wanted to try to cut his ties with the Lost (which is why he is still a member of the Lost in San Andreas during the events of V)

 

Did I get that right? 

 

No need for insults or foul language friend. 

 

The guy is right though, the end of TLAD hints at those three things. For some reason he randomly regresses and flops on everything he said he wouldn't do in V.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:05 PM

 

 

 

He became a weak meth head. That's what happens. Trevor is one of the more "uppity" meth users.

 

Get over it. I laughed when Trevor killed him. Probably because I don't like tweakers. 

i'm going to beat this through your head until you get it you twat.

 

johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. johnny opposed drugs, dumped ashley and wanted to try to cut his ties with the lost. 

 

 

...............LOL

 

So Johnny opposed drugs (which is why he began smoking meth in San Andreas), dumped Ashley (which is why he was still in love with her in the events of V), and wanted to try to cut his ties with the Lost (which is why he is still a member of the Lost in San Andreas during the events of V)

 

Did I get that right? 

 

No need for insults or foul language friend. 

 

The guy is right though, the end of TLAD hints at those three things. For some reason he randomly regresses and flops on everything he said he wouldn't do in V.

 

 

All it takes is one hit of meth to change that. 

 

I'm not saying I agree with Rockstar's decision, but it isn't entirely unbelievable. 


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:05 PM

 

So Johnny opposed drugs (which is why he began smoking meth in San Andreas), dumped Ashley (which is why he was still in love with her in the events of V), and wanted to try to cut his ties with the Lost (which is why he is still a member of the Lost in San Andreas during the events of V)

 

yes, that's exactly my point. my point is that cockstar made johnny contradict himself (3 times in a row too)

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:08 PM


i apologize for my rude behaviour. i'm sick of people not getting that cockstar made johnny's character inconstant and made him out of character in GTA 5
 
 


How is he inconsistent? Quitting drugs is really hard. Even if you feel free of drugs, you can go back, veeeeery easly. So I don't think it's inconsistent for an ex-meth head do meth again.One thing leads to another and K ends up with a boot to the face. Simple.
 

 
perhaps it is possible for johnny to be doing only one of the things i said he wouldn't do, but not all three

I think him doing drugs would make him go back to Ashley, or viceversa.

But I agree that it's kind of weird that he was still with the Lost.

Maybe if the Lost weren't in the game and Klebitz was just a meth head wandering around Sandy Shores would have made a bit more sense.

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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:10 PM

Also for those wondering when the end of TLAD hints at Johnny not going near Ashley or her Meth and getting away from The Lost MC, just listen to the three phone calls in this video: http://youtu.be/OizFknYT50A?t=15m8s

 


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 08:11 PM

It was a statement about the effects drugs have on people. Johnny, at the end of TLaD, was a strong character. He was moving on with his life blah, blah, blah. Then he started smoking crystal, and ruined everything.

Trevor, who also smokes meth, is completely insane.
Ron is a nervous shell, who allows Trevor to walk all over him so he can keep smoking.
Wade is a whimpering mess, who possibly has brain damage from the beatings Trevor has given him.

Its all about the drugs.

Yeah, if i wanted some anti drug PSA i would go to a school assembly.

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