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Posted 04 December 2013 - 07:37 PM

I think the worst part is the game is actually okay and has a lot of potential, it's just a bunch of tiny errors in writing, planning and game play that just snowball into a bigger problem.

 

That explains the strong opening, weak middle, and terrible end.

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 10:12 PM

Of course this scene is really bad... Johnny wore his clothes for 5 years meanwhile all his friends have changed their clothes...

I haver never heard about a "gray".

Johnny changes his president statue ? no but it's f*cking cool to take the vice president logo...

All that and the fact that he is in a situation he should never had been because it exactly the opposite of who he was in 2008 yeah 5 years is a lot of time but remind you what you were 5 years ago, you see you don't change so much...

It was totally f*cked up if rockstar says that they change this at the end that would even not surprise me...

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Posted 04 December 2013 - 11:14 PM

I can NOT believe people are still FIGHTING about the Trevor/Johnny cutscene!


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:25 AM

It's not so much that now it's more the whole package and how one thing has connection to another. So it's people 'fighting' or 'discussing' the whole game.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:32 AM Edited by am30, 05 December 2013 - 01:36 AM.

I cannot believe that people are still crying about this junkie biker!

 

Go back and play GTA IV and remind yourselves of how this guy rolls - he stole the money and left Niko (who was a good character) to shhot his way out of a museum full of mafia guys.

 

The guy got what he deserved.  Besides, the bikers were a miserable bunch and added nothing!

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Posted 05 December 2013 - 01:23 PM

I cannot believe that people are still crying about this junkie biker!

 

Go back and play GTA IV and remind yourselves of how this guy rolls - he stole the money and left Niko (who was a good character) to shhot his way out of a museum full of mafia guys.

 

The guy got what he deserved.  Besides, the bikers were a miserable bunch and added nothing!

we aren't "crying" because johnny-boy died, it's because of HOW he died. HOW.

 

i mean, look at how out-of-character he was in gta 5

 

at the end of TLAD the player can call angus and johnny will say:
 
"i'll try to cut my ties with the lost."
"i finally got ashley out of my head. she has that need to f*ck up everything around her"
 
the player can also call ashley. ashley will ask johnny for forty dollars and johnny will say:
"you can kill yourself on your own ash."
 
he knows it is to pay off her debts or to buy drugs.
 
johnny was also an ex-addict and HATED drugs, especially after seeing what it has done to ashley. also, johnny did not foreshadow at all he was gonna do drugs
 
 
 
5 years later, we see johnny as a meth addict still in the lost going "HURR DURR WHY U F*CKING ASHLEY WAAAAAAA"
 
 
f*ck you cockstar for making johnny's character inconsistant. F*CK YOU.
 
that would be like luis saying "OYE, MEAT EATERS AND PET OWNERS ARE F*CKING SATANISTS BRO" and ditches tony to become president of PETA. then 5 years later we see luis in a cutscene, then he falls down the stairs and breaks his neck within one minute. that would be out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.
 
the scene didn't make trevor a badass, all it did was make johnny a pussy
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Posted 05 December 2013 - 05:51 PM

Yes it was very sad, I turned off autosave at the end and killed Trevor for it, hate that son of a bitch but didn't want to kill another one.

And BTW Luis is better than Johnny.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 06:45 PM Edited by am30, 05 December 2013 - 06:48 PM.

 

I cannot believe that people are still crying about this junkie biker!

 

Go back and play GTA IV and remind yourselves of how this guy rolls - he stole the money and left Niko (who was a good character) to shhot his way out of a museum full of mafia guys.

 

The guy got what he deserved.  Besides, the bikers were a miserable bunch and added nothing!

we aren't "crying" because johnny-boy died, it's because of HOW he died. HOW.

 

i mean, look at how out-of-character he was in gta 5

 

at the end of TLAD the player can call angus and johnny will say:
 
"i'll try to cut my ties with the lost."
"i finally got ashley out of my head. she has that need to f*ck up everything around her"
 
the player can also call ashley. ashley will ask johnny for forty dollars and johnny will say:
"you can kill yourself on your own ash."
 
he knows it is to pay off her debts or to buy drugs.
 
johnny was also an ex-addict and HATED drugs, especially after seeing what it has done to ashley. also, johnny did not foreshadow at all he was gonna do drugs
 
 
 
5 years later, we see johnny as a meth addict still in the lost going "HURR DURR WHY U F*CKING ASHLEY WAAAAAAA"
 
 
f*ck you cockstar for making johnny's character inconsistant. F*CK YOU.
 
that would be like luis saying "OYE, MEAT EATERS AND PET OWNERS ARE F*CKING SATANISTS BRO" and ditches tony to become president of PETA. then 5 years later we see luis in a cutscene, then he falls down the stairs and breaks his neck within one minute. that would be out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.
 
the scene didn't make trevor a badass, all it did was make johnny a pussy

 

 

5 years is a long time and a lot can change.  The guy was a snake and a former addict in IV so to believe that he's relapsed it completely plausible.  Arguably, Niko Bellic should have made an appearance to waste him.  The scene wasn't about making Trevor look bad ass, or make Johnny look like a pussy - it was purely there to serve as a starting point for Trevor tying up all his loose ends before leaving Sandy Shores.


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Posted 05 December 2013 - 07:27 PM

I cannot believe that people are still crying about this junkie biker!

 

Go back and play GTA IV and remind yourselves of how this guy rolls - he stole the money and left Niko (who was a good character) to shhot his way out of a museum full of mafia guys.

 

The guy got what he deserved.  Besides, the bikers were a miserable bunch and added nothing!

 

When Niko sorta killed two of his best friends for money, but hey, go Niko-fanboy and flamebait somewhere else.

All GTA protagonists are "bad" people. CJ lived happily ever after once murdering people all around San Andreas and robbing casinos for the sh*t of it.

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Posted 06 December 2013 - 10:25 PM

 

I cannot believe that people are still crying about this junkie biker!

 

Go back and play GTA IV and remind yourselves of how this guy rolls - he stole the money and left Niko (who was a good character) to shhot his way out of a museum full of mafia guys.

 

The guy got what he deserved.  Besides, the bikers were a miserable bunch and added nothing!

 

When Niko sorta killed two of his best friends for money, but hey, go Niko-fanboy and flamebait somewhere else.

All GTA protagonists are "bad" people. CJ lived happily ever after once murdering people all around San Andreas and robbing casinos for the sh*t of it.

 

So Johnny had justification to steal from Niko and split from the museum with the money? What was the justification?


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 02:43 AM Edited by Peachrocks, 07 December 2013 - 02:44 AM.

The fact Ray's goons were waiting for him outside and planned to stiff him the money anyway?

 

Truth be told though we aren't given enough information about the circumstances and it's mostly up to interpretation. The money is never mentioned again, a fact that's always bothered me.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:23 AM

It's been too long since TLAD, a lot of things can change in 5 years. He was a former junkie so my guess is that he just got addicted again. His death was justified because he has turned into a parasite, and of course tried to mess with a psychopath. A weak character anyway.

R.I.P Johnny Klebitz, you will not be missed.

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Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:26 AM

It's been too long since TLAD, a lot of things can change in 5 years. He was a former junkie so my guess is that he just got addicted again. His death was justified because he has turned into a parasite, and of course tried to mess with a psychopath. A weak character anyway.

R.I.P Johnny Klebitz, you will not be missed.

that would be like luis saying "OYE, MEAT EATERS AND PET OWNERS ARE F*CKING SATANISTS BRO" and ditches tony to become president of PETA. then 5 years later we see luis in a cutscene, then he falls down the stairs and breaks his neck within one minute.

 

what? a lot can happen in five years.

 

no just kidding. that would be way out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:58 AM

no just kidding. that would be way out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.

 

Think of it this way, after the cutscene, Johnny faded away and then respawned at the Sandy Shores medical center, and then left town for El Salvador


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 04:28 AM

wat


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 05:37 AM

 

no just kidding. that would be way out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.

 

Think of it this way, after the cutscene, Johnny faded away and then respawned at the Sandy Shores medical center, and then left town for El Salvador

 

 

And yet this isn't as ridiculous as what actually happened.


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Posted 07 December 2013 - 03:06 PM

 

 

no just kidding. that would be way out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.

 

Think of it this way, after the cutscene, Johnny faded away and then respawned at the Sandy Shores medical center, and then left town for El Salvador

 

 

And yet this isn't as ridiculous as what actually happened.

 

I didn't finish yet:

Johnny changed his name to Johnmundo and become a crossdresser dancer at a stripclub owned by a midget 


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 03:12 AM

"omg u see torture is rong but im the wun ho riped ur teeth and waturboardid u with smiles on hueheuehuehueue"

- An inconsistent piece-of-sh*t character

 

 

"wtf u know fuking somebuddy elses wife is wierd but im the mann whoo fukc cowboi's girferind with no problam, b4 attaking him wit botle lolololololololol"

 

-trevor

 

has anyone played josh's strangers and freaks missions? if so you'll know what i'm taking about


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 03:14 AM

 

 

 

no just kidding. that would be way out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.

 

Think of it this way, after the cutscene, Johnny faded away and then respawned at the Sandy Shores medical center, and then left town for El Salvador

 

 

And yet this isn't as ridiculous as what actually happened.

 

I didn't finish yet:

Johnny changed his name to Johnmundo and become a crossdresser dancer at a stripclub owned by a midget 

 

We're not here to listen to your life story.


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 11:18 AM

 

 

 

 

no just kidding. that would be way out of character and luis wouldn't die so easily.

 

Think of it this way, after the cutscene, Johnny faded away and then respawned at the Sandy Shores medical center, and then left town for El Salvador

 

 

And yet this isn't as ridiculous as what actually happened.

 

I didn't finish yet:

Johnny changed his name to Johnmundo and become a crossdresser dancer at a stripclub owned by a midget 

 

We're not here to listen to your life story.

 

 

Aw c'mon that's a little mean. In any case you have to try pretty hard to make it worse and even then it's obvious you aren't taking anything seriously like Rockstar expect us to take that scene.


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Posted 08 December 2013 - 04:04 PM Edited by Grievous, 08 December 2013 - 04:12 PM.

Folks I believe to have cracked the big mystery of Trevor and Johnny's encounter; as I was merely replaying through Grand Theft Auto V and arrived at the Mister Philips mission, I was just passively enjoying the cutscene delivery, the pacing, Scott Hill's performance ... and then suddenly something happened, and completely shook me out of the cinematic. A realization that ruined my appetite for the scene as the jarring occurrence just blew my mind to the highest extent, taking me away from the fiction, where I simply couldn't remove the thoughts of the developer's own.

It all suddenly became clear to me. 

The entire justification, motive, and intentions the writers wanted to convey through this scene.

 

Seriously.

 

...

 

 

So, after having realized that Michael was alive during this past decade, Trevor stops his random screwing, mouth slightly gapped open, and walks out of his trailer.

Now, observe his movement and behavior.

 

He is insanely calm throughout this moment: he walks instead of running, he slides past the people who were in front of his way instead of pushing them out sideways, he remains quiet and thoughtful instead of blaring out a train load of profanities and insults.

 

Compared to the other Grand Theft Auto protagonists, he is being surprisingly 'civil', which is the complete opposite of what his characterization is supposed to represent.

 

Trevor isn't listening to what Ashley or Johnny are saying and ignores them. He doesn't notice Ron or Wade either. Trevor is, well, alone.

 

Trevor doesn't respond to any of Johnny's calls, not even when he runs up to him.

 

Then suddenly, this happens ...

 

Spoiler

 

And it was only Then, where Trevor decided to turn around, and converse with Johnny ...

 

Spoiler

 

This was never about showing how insane or tough or badass Trevor is compare to other leading protagonists.

This was not a moral lecture on how drugs are bad.

This was not about a duel of story-driven protagonists versus gameplay-justifiable protagonists.

 

This Was Merely A FORESHADOWING.

 

Outstanding Thunderous Applause to the writers.

 

MONSTROUS GROUND SHAKING APPLAUSE AND PRAISES TO SUCH MARVELOUS USE OF SCREENWRITING TECHNIQUES.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 08:51 PM

Folks I believe to have cracked the big mystery of Trevor and Johnny's encounter; as I was merely replaying through Grand Theft Auto V and arrived at the Mister Philips mission, I was just passively enjoying the cutscene delivery, the pacing, Scott Hill's performance ... and then suddenly something happened, and completely shook me out of the cinematic. A realization that ruined my appetite for the scene as the jarring occurrence just blew my mind to the highest extent, taking me away from the fiction, where I simply couldn't remove the thoughts of the developer's own.

It all suddenly became clear to me. 

The entire justification, motive, and intentions the writers wanted to convey through this scene.

 

Seriously.

 

...

 

 

So, after having realized that Michael was alive during this past decade, Trevor stops his random screwing, mouth slightly gapped open, and walks out of his trailer.

Now, observe his movement and behavior.

 

He is insanely calm throughout this moment: he walks instead of running, he slides past the people who were in front of his way instead of pushing them out sideways, he remains quiet and thoughtful instead of blaring out a train load of profanities and insults.

 

Compared to the other Grand Theft Auto protagonists, he is being surprisingly 'civil', which is the complete opposite of what his characterization is supposed to represent.

 

Trevor isn't listening to what Ashley or Johnny are saying and ignores them. He doesn't notice Ron or Wade either. Trevor is, well, alone.

 

Trevor doesn't respond to any of Johnny's calls, not even when he runs up to him.

 

Then suddenly, this happens ...

 

Spoiler

 

And it was only Then, where Trevor decided to turn around, and converse with Johnny ...

 

Spoiler

 

This was never about showing how insane or tough or badass Trevor is compare to other leading protagonists.

This was not a moral lecture on how drugs are bad.

This was not about a duel of story-driven protagonists versus gameplay-justifiable protagonists.

 

This Was Merely A FORESHADOWING.

 

Outstanding Thunderous Applause to the writers.

 

MONSTROUS GROUND SHAKING APPLAUSE AND PRAISES TO SUCH MARVELOUS USE OF SCREENWRITING TECHNIQUES.

You mean that all this was perfect top-notch writing?

 

Congrats! you've now entered the acceptance stage of mourning.

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Posted 08 December 2013 - 10:49 PM

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:40 AM

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Oh man. Last thing we need is a "Bad Luck Johnny" meme.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 01:30 PM

what's that? we need a bad luck johnny meme? well ok then :)

 

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 02:13 PM

Johnny was just some guy of the lost with no meaning. Everyone was like oh, trevor is a real badass because he killed a biker for no reason. when the episodes came out, they introduced you to the lost mc. when gta5 officially came out for ps3 everyone was like oh he killed f*cking johnny. see what they did there?

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 04:27 PM

It's been too long since TLAD, a lot of things can change in 5 years. He was a former junkie so my guess is that he just got addicted again. His death was justified because he has turned into a parasite, and of course tried to mess with a psychopath. A weak character anyway.

R.I.P Johnny Klebitz, you will not be missed.

Except by all the people who are pissed off by it.


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Posted 09 December 2013 - 05:32 PM Edited by B Dawg, 09 December 2013 - 05:34 PM.

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Posted 09 December 2013 - 08:59 PM

Grivous say a thing true is that Trevor don't like when you disrespect woman espacially when that concern his mother...

Rockstar could put a random biker why Johnny when you know it was just for Trevor's background, it's f*cking useless to kill Johny and show us he dies like a REAL PUSSY even more A PEDESTRIAN !

The way we forgett this time of the game and it uttility for the rest of the plot... It was f*cking useless.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:14 PM Edited by nobum62, 11 December 2013 - 09:14 PM.

 

YESH.

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