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Matta G
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Posted 27 September 2013 - 12:55 PM

Has anyone else been dumping their Ammunation stock in the last 24 hours?

 

I view this as a "safe" investment.  If the BAWSAQ works the way I think it does (using Social Club stats and player interaction) Ammunation should be relatively safe.  But in the past day or so, the share price has dropped like a rock.  Seeing as how there is no "in-game" reason for this (like a new gun control law passing, news that the CEO is a molester, etc.), I can only conclude that once people start selling off shares in a company, the share price drops like a rock, in this case a 50+ point drop in less than 24 hours.  This is my theory.

 

So I'm just wondering if a lot of people invested in Ammunation saw the share price drop and decided to get rid of their stocks as well.  A massive sell-off might cause the price to plummet.

 

Just as an aside, I bought hundreds of thousands of Hawk and Little shares when it was around $1.10 per share.  I've almost quintupled my money on that in just a few days.  I also see that Piswasser has stopped freefalling and is now dirt cheap but climbing.  Thinking about investing in them for a short term payoff.

 

Anyway, if anyone else has been dumping Ammunation, please post how much stock you've been selling off and if you've noticed the same thing.  If you have another theory, I might like to hear that as well.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:45 PM

 I can only conclude that once people start selling off shares in a company, the share price drops like a rock, in this case a 50+ point drop in less than 24 hours.  This is my theory.

 

Not sure where you're getting your quote. I believe there are always two separate quotes for each BAWSAQ stock: The public quote, which can be seen at http://socialclub.ro...mes/gtav/bawsaq, and the private quote, which is only seen within your character's world. According to the public quotes, it looks like Ammunation is around $712 and has only been going up recently. If your private in-game quote is lower, I'd suggest major investment as your private quote will likely increase to return to the public value -- arbitrage, basically.

 

I noticed this after I did a Lester CEO assassination mission. When completing a mission that causes a BAWSAQ stock to plummet (like an assassination mission), it only causes your Private stock quotes to change. The change is not reflected on the public BAWSAQ market and other players cannot buy the stock at the reduced price that you have the unique opportunity to use. Soon, after a day or two, the stock returns to the publicly posted value. So if your Ammunation quote suddenly plummeted, it must be due to some in-game event (perhaps it's just a random thing where your game picks a random BAWSAQ symbol every day to drop for you privately... with close scrutiny you could find out which BAWSAQ stock doesn't correlate with the public bid/ask and arbitrage it for profit).

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 01:53 PM

I have dangerously invested all my money ($95,700,000) into life invader as it was highly down by 85% I bought shares at 10 and the highest it says is 91 hopefully I will get enough to get that golf course  


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 02:58 PM Edited by Matta G, 27 September 2013 - 03:08 PM.

 

 I can only conclude that once people start selling off shares in a company, the share price drops like a rock, in this case a 50+ point drop in less than 24 hours.  This is my theory.

 

Not sure where you're getting your quote. I believe there are always two separate quotes for each BAWSAQ stock: The public quote, which can be seen at http://socialclub.ro...mes/gtav/bawsaq, and the private quote, which is only seen within your character's world. According to the public quotes, it looks like Ammunation is around $712 and has only been going up recently. If your private in-game quote is lower, I'd suggest major investment as your private quote will likely increase to return to the public value -- arbitrage, basically.

 

I noticed this after I did a Lester CEO assassination mission. When completing a mission that causes a BAWSAQ stock to plummet (like an assassination mission), it only causes your Private stock quotes to change. The change is not reflected on the public BAWSAQ market and other players cannot buy the stock at the reduced price that you have the unique opportunity to use. Soon, after a day or two, the stock returns to the publicly posted value. So if your Ammunation quote suddenly plummeted, it must be due to some in-game event (perhaps it's just a random thing where your game picks a random BAWSAQ symbol every day to drop for you privately... with close scrutiny you could find out which BAWSAQ stock doesn't correlate with the public bid/ask and arbitrage it for profit).

 

Look on the Social Club website (the link you gave me) right now.  It's trading at 626 as of 10 central time.  The last time it was at 710 was yesterday afternoon.  Yes, the assassination missions cause changes in stock prices within your game only, but the Social Club quote and the one in game for most stocks should be the same.  I was losing money rapidly in Ammunation before I dumped it last night.  I only use the online BAWSAQ quotes on the SC website to make my purchases - the in game tools suck big time and are very inaccurate.  I think you need to check it again, because if what you say is true, then it's random for everyone.

 

But I highly doubt this, because other stock fluctuations I've seen have been verified many times by others.  The increase in Hawk&Little's stock, as well as the low price of Pisswasser right now.

 

The public quotes are accurate for your own personal GTA game, except for those few stocks that can be manipulated by assassination missions, for example.

 

Edit: well, I'm seeing some folks with stock quotes more in line with what you are saying.  If so, this is annoying.  But my quotes are coming from the Social Club BAWSAQ page.  Problem is, I can't think of a reason in my game why Ammunation would suddenly plummet.  If they just throw it at you randomly and it affects your game only, but other stocks are the same for everyone, that's kind of lame.

 

Here is what the public, online BAWSAQ is showing me right now, as of 10 AM CST.  Not on my Xbox, I'm at work on the internet.

AMU
$626.86
-$82.23
-13.12%
High$714.55 Low$505.27 Value$626.86

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 03:45 PM

Wow... the fact that the website is displaying different results... that's really confusing. I'll have to play around with trying to log into the Social Blub BAWSAQ page with different accounts. Here's what it looks like for me as of 10:40 central.

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This adds a whole new layer to the onion.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:08 PM

I have dangerously invested all my money ($95,700,000) into life invader as it was highly down by 85% I bought shares at 10 and the highest it says is 91 hopefully I will get enough to get that golf course  

 

I thought about that but I heard that is one stock that some people report never recovering.  I also did invest a lot into Pisswasser (also wanting to try the theory of it will climb if I destroy Logger trucks).  But now that I've put money into Pisswasser... I never see Logger trucks anymore, ever.  I used to see them ALL the time.  I also wonder who's the main competitor to eCola since I see those trucks all the time and figure you could destroy a lot of those in not a lot of time.  I wonder though how much it really effects stock price. 

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:30 PM

Dont know if it has been noticed before (didn't read all posts), but the BAWSAQ stock for xbox360 and PS3 is NOT the same...

 

http://socialclub.ro...tav/xbox/bawsaq

 

On the top right corner there is a button which allows you to switch between PS3 and Xbox. Listed prices and historical prices differ a lot between consoles. 


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:46 PM Edited by LeAristocrat, 27 September 2013 - 06:34 PM.

Day to Day STOCK TRADING TIPS

 

Note: These tips do not apply to Lester's assassination missions. These are intended for anyone who is looking to make money in the market after all of those opportunities are dried up.

 

The notes below have come from my extensive research on the Liberty City National Exchange Index. For four real life days I sat outside the Ponsonby's in Rockford Hills in my gorgeous black Grotti Carbonizzare listening to FlyLo FM and decided to day trade, disgusted with my property ROI and  determined to figure out the index what all the numbers mean etc. to try and make some real money. Here's what I discovered:

 

Index: LCN

 

BEFORE WE GET STARTED

 

The Line Charts & "Last" metrics DO NOT WORK - On first impressions they indicate lucrative trading opportunities by allowing a $10 trade  today and a massive spike tomorrow resulting in massive gains, but the lines and last metrics are BS.

 

Tests & Evidence: The "Last" metric on the screenshot below indicates that Lifeinvader's (LFI) last stock price was $13.35 (if you're not familiar with stocks, the price that the stock was valued at the end/close of trading on the previous trading day). This number coincides with the line chart - see Monday's closing number on the chart it's approx at $13, today in game is Tuesday, but this is not true, how do i know? because I've been sitting in my car for the past several (game days) and the stock has never risen above $7.17..... Yesterday on Monday it was around $6.56. Where the hell did $13.35 come from?? The day before the last closing number was $11.35 and the day before that $12.56. The line charts and "Last" metric are completely for show and are inaccurate. These two things will confuse a lot of people and cause you to lose a lot of money if you're not careful.

 

 The only thing you can go off is the current price (or "Value") metric, which is not much, and you have to manually follow the stock. If you don't believe this, try it yourself and let me know.

 

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Since we now know what metrics are actually accurate and what we can actually use we can now start trading.

 

DAY TRADING TIPS & STRATEGY

 

My tips for trading may seem obvious but are highly profitable and effective if used correctly, try them yourself. My strategy:

 

Trade LCN's version of Penny Stocks - Trade LCN's version of penny stocks (stocks with an extremely cheap price, supposed to be less than $5 but whatever) the only two on my game are Lifeinvader (LFI) and Bilkinton (BIL). I've made millions off these stocks as you can see from my screenshot (Note: I only started off with the $28 mil from the last heist and failed to save a few of Lester's missions until after... I'm still whining about that =().

 

Anyways, you ask, why should I trade penny stocks? In general, your profit comes from how much a given stock goes up from the price you purchased it for. All of the stocks that are on the LCN index fluctuate by only a few cents at a time. You may say so what? I'm trading the more expensive stock. But if all the stocks fluctuate at about the same why would you pay more for the same rate of return per share when you could buy a cheaper stock, get the same rate of return, and leverage your money insanely more? Make your money work for you! To illustrate let's use the scenario below:

 

Your starting cash is: $20,000,000

 

You have a choice between two stocks/scenarios:

A.) AirEMU (EMU) Current Price $200.00 per share

B.) Lifeinvader (LFI) Current Price $5.00 per share

 

Scenario A  - With $20 million dollars you can buy 100,000 shares of EMU. If the price goes up by $0.10 you make a profit of $10,000. Woo congrats!

 

Scenario B - With $20 million dollars you can buy a whopping 4,000,000 shares of LFI. If the price goes up by $0.10 your profit is $400,000!! Someone pick me up I fainted. And that's only on a $0.10 hike. $400,000 per $0.10!!

 

Now you may say, if the stock goes down I lose that much, and you would be correct; the market is a gamble but with this beautifl single player you can eliminate this risk by Quick Saving and reloading if things go wrong. However, if things go right! Sell, save the game, and REPEAT!!

 

I notice that the penny stocks stocks I follow (LFI and BIL) go up about $0.06 to $0.20 after that they drop a bit and I lose money. So anywhere within that range sell your shares and claim your profit.

 

Another tip is the stock prices are relatively stable (opposite of what the fake charts falsley indicate). For example, in following LFI for a day the stock dropped as low as $4.96 and got as high as $6.07. That's a $1.11 margin. So as you follow a stock around for a day or so you will get a feel for what is high and what is low try to buy as low as you can to maximize your profit potential.

 

I hope this helps some people make cash. It does take a while to amass a few million, but as you get more money the amount of your "profits per cent" increase and hopefully this helps some people buy some of those properties they've always wanted.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 05:47 PM

Wow... the fact that the website is displaying different results... that's really confusing. I'll have to play around with trying to log into the Social Blub BAWSAQ page with different accounts. Here's what it looks like for me as of 10:40 central.

2q9dlyc.jpg

This adds a whole new layer to the onion.

So I just replaced "Xbox" with "PS3" in the BAWSAQ web address and yep, yours shows it is currently trading at around 712, mine around 615.

 

Well, at least one mystery is solved.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:47 PM

I made like 48-68 million with each each character with Aug Insurance by investing 1.9 billion into it. The rule of thumb is to save before each investment that way you can experiment without losing anything. I'm going to try Bank of Liberty next.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 06:52 PM Edited by Apfeltasche, 27 September 2013 - 06:55 PM.

Well, now I am done with the Mainstory and possess with each protagonist 33-35 million.

 

Next I will make the 2,1 millon

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-Mission with
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and this
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Unfortunately I have already done this two Lester-Mission a few days ago ... :(

 

Assassination 1: Hotel Assassination

Assassination 2: Multiple Target Assassination

 

Should I bring this guy from Malibu to the Airport and use his tips before or after i take the next three missions of Lester? What will brig the better

earnings at the end?
 
And will I get wallet over 150.000.000 ? I just need 150.000.000 cause I use the free property glitch. ^^

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:08 PM

Dont bother with these strategies for now at least. Just buy Hawk and little stock on the BAWSAQ as it will probably explode in the next few days. Already had a return of 600% in the last few days with doing NOTHING but a one time investment. As this stock will reach a certain level in the next week it will probably stabilize and then the strategies explained by LeAristocrat might be a good option.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:20 PM

Well, I found out a few things today.

 

One, no one is in for long term investments.  Either people are in for a quick buck or not at all.  So when people buy, everyone buys, and the price goes up.  When people sell, they start a massive sell off and the price plummets quickly.  Ammunation, for instance, plunged by over $100 a share in one day.  Why?  Big shareholders sold their stock (maybe they just needed the cash, I don't know) and boom, the price starts to drop.  Only choice then is to get rid of your own shares.

 

The moment the price begins to drop on a stock you are holding, get rid of it.  It would be nice if GTA had more long term investors, but it would seem that isn't going to happen.

 

Xbox and PS3 stock markets are different in terms of share prices.

 

What needs to happen is a) people need to be in for more long term investments, or else everyone will just be buying and selling stock the moment the price goes up or down, and b) R* needs to make stock prices rise and fall with, I guess, scripted events that apply to everyone's games.  "Ammunation announces opening of new SUPER STORES in Vice City, Liberty City, and coming soon to London."  Something like that to actually account for a rise in share prices, other than people just buying and selling massive amounts of shares.

 

The real markets have enough long term investors to stabilize prices.  People are simply not doing this in the GTA stock market and therefore it is volatile as f***.

 

I'm telling you, be ready to drop your H&L and Piswasser stocks soon!  As soon as anyone decides they've made "enough" profit with them, a massive selloff will begin.


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Posted 27 September 2013 - 08:33 PM Edited by drjonkoe, 27 September 2013 - 08:35 PM.

Well, I found out a few things today.

 

One, no one is in for long term investments.  Either people are in for a quick buck or not at all.  So when people buy, everyone buys, and the price goes up.  When people sell, they start a massive sell off and the price plummets quickly.  Ammunation, for instance, plunged by over $100 a share in one day.  Why?  Big shareholders sold their stock (maybe they just needed the cash, I don't know) and boom, the price starts to drop.  Only choice then is to get rid of your own shares.

 

The moment the price begins to drop on a stock you are holding, get rid of it.  It would be nice if GTA had more long term investors, but it would seem that isn't going to happen.

 

Xbox and PS3 stock markets are different in terms of share prices.

 

What needs to happen is a) people need to be in for more long term investments, or else everyone will just be buying and selling stock the moment the price goes up or down, and b) R* needs to make stock prices rise and fall with, I guess, scripted events that apply to everyone's games.  "Ammunation announces opening of new SUPER STORES in Vice City, Liberty City, and coming soon to London."  Something like that to actually account for a rise in share prices, other than people just buying and selling massive amounts of shares.

 

The real markets have enough long term investors to stabilize prices.  People are simply not doing this in the GTA stock market and therefore it is volatile as f***.

 

I'm telling you, be ready to drop your H&L and Piswasser stocks soon!  As soon as anyone decides they've made "enough" profit with them, a massive selloff will begin.

1. How do you know if it are the big shareholders that influence the price by selling their stock in e.g. Ammunation? I have not seen a clue that peoples buying or selling behavior influences stock prices. The drop in price could also be caused by people buying less weapons ingame or something like that.

 

2. Stocks that go up and down are good investment options, there is a lot to win or lose. If you are right and everything is based on supply and demand of stocks between the people that play GTA, for every $ that someone gains, someone else loses. Although I dont think it works this way, the online stock market would then only function as a way to distribute money between players to create more equality or difference, the total amount of money would stay the same.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 12:47 AM

No matter what I invest in or do or anything at dam all in LCN my stock goes negative and stays there. So hoping the online portion is better. Yes I know about sabotage and invest low Yata yata

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 02:55 AM Edited by Anonymouse89, 28 September 2013 - 02:58 AM.

Pißwasser has bounced back. I had a $30,000 loss which has turned into a $7,000 profit so far.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:30 AM Edited by Anonymouse89, 28 September 2013 - 04:32 AM.

No matter what I invest in or do or anything at dam all in LCN my stock goes negative and stays there. So hoping the online portion is better. Yes I know about sabotage and invest low Yata yata


Yeah LCN kind of sucks. I invested in Cluckin' Bell's rival and then blew up a sh*t ton of their trucks. All I got were a bunch of wanted stars and about a $300 profit. I would stick to BAWSAQ (though it is riskier). As my post above this one says; I had to wait it out for Pißwasser. I also invested in Hawk&Little and made a $14000 profit out of about $5000 investment. It is all just a waiting game. Best of luck dude.
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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:32 AM

300mill profit pn BAWSAQ and still rising from yesterday! ( nog to mention the other hundreds of millions I've made in the past few days )

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 04:40 AM Edited by Anonymouse89, 28 September 2013 - 05:23 AM.

300mill profit pn BAWSAQ and still rising from yesterday! ( nog to mention the other hundreds of millions I've made in the past few days )


Except you haven't given any actual advice except to dump multiple millions of dollars into stocks, and not even saying which stocks. Where's the proof? Or are you just making all of this up so you will sound like the Warren Buffet of BAWSAQ? Show us proof! This thread is called "Stock Tips" not "Stock Brags."

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:10 AM

No matter what I invest in or do or anything at dam all in LCN my stock goes negative and stays there. So hoping the online portion is better. Yes I know about sabotage and invest low Yata yata

Yeah LCN kind of sucks. I invested in Cluckin' Bell's rival and then blew up a sh*t ton of their trucks. All I got were a bunch of wanted stars and about a $300 profit. I would stick to BAWSAQ (though it is riskier). As my post above this one says; I had to wait it out for Pißwasser. I also invested in Hawk&Little and made a $14000 profit out of about $5000 investment. It is all just a waiting game. Best of luck dude.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:12 AM

I hate my phone but dam not a bad profit there. I hope they update LCN

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:21 AM

I hate my phone but dam not a bad profit there. I hope they update LCN


Definitely.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 01:51 PM

currently got 1.1 billion and not even took the guy to airport yet. more to be made still


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 05:47 PM

Get your cash into Bawsaq (HAL) Hawk & Little ASAP. Twitter @ONE1crew

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 06:03 PM

half of my cash has gone into pisswasser or however you spell it lol. see here for why http://gtaforums.com/topic/604082-buy-pisswasser-now-dump-every-dollar-into-it/ 


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 06:11 PM

Isn't it possible if we got enough gta players to play the stock game cooperatively that we could influence it?

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 06:50 PM

 

Well, now I am done with the Mainstory and possess with each protagonist 33-35 million.

 

Next I will make the 2,1 millon

Spoiler
-Mission with
Spoiler
and this
Spoiler

 

Unfortunately I have already done this two Lester-Mission a few days ago ... :(

 

Assassination 1: Hotel Assassination

Assassination 2: Multiple Target Assassination

 

Should I bring this guy from Malibu to the Airport and use his tips before or after i take the next three missions of Lester? What will brig the better

earnings at the end?
 
And will I get wallet over 150.000.000 ? I just need 150.000.000 cause I use the free property glitch. ^^

 

 

 

Doesn't matter which you do first.

 

For example, 

100,000 x 1.3 x 1.8 = 100,000 x 1.8 x 1.3 

 

So it's the same whichever you do first.


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 04:53 AM

Guys, is it true that the max money you can hold is 2.1b?


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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:16 AM

SHARES

180700
TOTAL VALUE

$1,256,322.83
LAST 24 HOURS

$685,283-$1,256,323
CHANGE %

45.45%
CHANGE $

+$571,040.06
PißWasser was where it was at yesterday within 24 hours my stocks jumped—shown above.

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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:28 AM

Isn't it true that you have to complete the Hotel Assassination (the first assassination given to you by Lester) during the story to be able to continue progressing through the story? I've done all story missions up until The Merryweather Heist and following that mission, Trevor received a text from Franklin saying he has to do something for Lester first before they can do the Blitz Play heist, which I already had unlocked since I got all the items needed for that heist. Since the only mission that was available was from Lester and was the Hotel Assassination, I did that (being sure to invest all of each character's money into Betta beforehand since Betta's stock increases greatly following the assassination [the highest it got for me was 81.5% so I got a great profit from it]) and following the assassination, Franklin received a call from Michael saying that they're ready to do the Blitz Play heist, meaning that the Hotel Assassination was required to complete before being able to continue through the story. However, I see nothing on here nor online that says you can wait until finishing the story before doing ALL of the assassination missions. Can anyone confirm that you have to do the Hotel Assassination at this point in the story to be able to continue through the story? Or can I actually wait until completing the story before doing it and the other assassinations that follow it?





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