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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:22 AM

Discuss your thoughts on September 11. Personallly I think that the US government, at te very least, had prior knowledge, and I've always been interested in how the buidlings collapsed, it really looks like explosives were used in my opinion

So yeah post your views.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:41 AM Edited by John The Grudge, 28 August 2013 - 08:54 AM.

I don't think they had prior knowledge of the actual attack but I think the CIA were monitoring the hijackers and knew they were in the country and that they were a threat. At the time they didn't share any of this information with the FBI. Perhaps if they did then the attacks could have been prevented. So rather than there being a conspiracy I think it comes down to incompetence and lack of communication between agencies like the CIA and the FBI.

With regards to the idea that explosives were used, there isn't any evidence to support that theory that can't be logically explained. The plains hit the building and the fuel (which burns way hotter than the temperature at which the building's metal structure becomes unstable) burns across a large area. The metal structure becomes too weak to hold the building and it begins to collapse. Each floor basically crashes down onto the one beneath it bringing the building straight down.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:51 AM

If you believe that the US government had planned the whole thing, then you lack thinking. With all the security leaks and whistle-blowers in Washington no one could organize a terrorist attack on the US inside the government. We have too many people who would run to the media and tell them about it. I wish I could believe that the Government had the brains and logistical/strategic competence to pull something like this off, then we might not be in the crap we are now. Seriously that inside-job conspiracy theory is a load of sh*t, don't buy into it.

Also, please, let this 9/11 thing go. I'm pretty sure this discussion had run its course around this place.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 08:57 AM

So many threads about this already exist. If you want to learn more about why controlled demolition theories are stupid http://www.debunking911.com/ is an amazing site.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:27 PM Edited by D4 Damager, 29 August 2013 - 01:40 PM.

It was not a controlled demolition. The FBI and the CIA were monitoring some of the terrorists but competition between the two agencies led to communication breakdowns. Was it preventable? Possibly but it is important to note that these events are nearly impossible to stop without a huge amount of luck (Malcolm Gladwell wrote a great article about 'creeping determinism' in The New Yorker which says we are much more likely to believe that past events were obviously going to happen). Did the US government have any prior knowledge that the attacks were going to occur. No, definitely not.

This topic has been done to death so many times and it just ends with the people who think it was a conspiracy even more fervent in their views.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

In a political sense, I think of 9/11 similar to Pearl Harbour.

There were mumblings that something was going to happen, and the administration uses the event to further their goals.

FDR wanted to get into WWII, Bush wanted Oil.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:48 PM

QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Thursday, Aug 29 2013, 14:57)
In a political sense, I think of 9/11 similar to Pearl Harbour.

There were mumblings that something was going to happen, and the administration uses the event to further their goals.

FDR wanted to get into WWII, Bush wanted Oil.

"Bush wanted oil" - do you have anything to back this up at all or are you just spouting nonsense?

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:52 PM

QUOTE (Irviding @ Thursday, Aug 29 2013, 15:48)
QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Thursday, Aug 29 2013, 14:57)
In a political sense, I think of 9/11 similar to Pearl Harbour.

There were mumblings that something was going to happen, and the administration uses the event to further their goals.

FDR wanted to get into WWII, Bush wanted Oil.

"Bush wanted oil" - do you have anything to back this up at all or are you just spouting nonsense?

You know how it goes, Irv. rolleyes.gif

Next thing you know, Bush wanted Obama, Cheney shot his hunting friend for the further advancement of oil properties, yada, yada. You know how these people are.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 12:20 AM

QUOTE (Irviding @ Friday, Aug 30 2013, 06:48)
QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Thursday, Aug 29 2013, 14:57)
In a political sense, I think of 9/11 similar to Pearl Harbour.

There were mumblings that something was going to happen, and the administration uses the event to further their goals.

FDR wanted to get into WWII, Bush wanted Oil.

"Bush wanted oil" - do you have anything to back this up at all or are you just spouting nonsense?

The point of the war seemed to be to install a new, friendly government in the region. Why has the west historically wanted influence in the middle east? Oil.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 02:22 PM

QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Thursday, Aug 29 2013, 19:57)
In a political sense, I think of 9/11 similar to Pearl Harbour.

There were mumblings that something was going to happen, and the administration uses the event to further their goals.

What were the mumblings? See my point about creeping determinism. They didn't know that event was going to happen, and of course they used the events to further their goals. Is that a surprise?

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:34 AM

In all seriousness and respect to the OP, there are so many topics about 9/11 and its becoming somewhat
of a practice into redundancy by rehashing the same rhetoric about something that happen more than a decade ago.
I think we all know peoples opinions to this, and I haven't heard any different thoughts about this that leads to
any fresh discussions on what might of happened.

But that's ultimately the problem with conspirators...the theories are only intriguing for a short period of time.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:51 AM

Operation Northwoods was a series of false flag proposals that originated within the United States government in 1962, but were rejected by the Kennedy administration.

The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit perceived acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere.

These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.

One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government.

It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets.

The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense.

Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.


THE PLAN WAS DRAFTED BY THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, AUTHORIZED BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, SIGNED BY CHAIRMAN, HANDED TO SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, PRESENTED TO PRESIDENT KENNEDY

REJECTED BY KENNEDY


OPERATION NORTHWOODS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY



9/11 WAS A FALSE FLAG ATTACK, PERIOD

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 03:49 PM

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Saturday, Aug 31 2013, 07:51)
THE PLAN WAS DRAFTED BY THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, AUTHORIZED BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, SIGNED BY CHAIRMAN, HANDED TO SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, PRESENTED TO PRESIDENT KENNEDY

REJECTED BY KENNEDY


OPERATION NORTHWOODS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY



9/11 WAS A FALSE FLAG ATTACK, PERIOD

So because around 40 years beforehand the US president didn't sanction false flag operations, 9/11 was a false flag operation. That seems a fair comparison to make...

Got any evidence? No of course you don't because you're talking out of your arse.

Also stop starting every sentence as a new paragraph as it makes it impossible to follow your thought process.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:41 PM

QUOTE (D4 Damager @ Saturday, Aug 31 2013, 15:49)
QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Saturday, Aug 31 2013, 07:51)
THE PLAN WAS DRAFTED BY THE JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, AUTHORIZED BY JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF, SIGNED BY CHAIRMAN, HANDED TO SECRETARY OF DEFENSE, PRESENTED TO PRESIDENT KENNEDY

REJECTED BY KENNEDY


OPERATION NORTHWOODS IS NOT A CONSPIRACY



9/11 WAS A FALSE FLAG ATTACK, PERIOD

So because around 40 years beforehand the US president didn't sanction false flag operations, 9/11 was a false flag operation. That seems a fair comparison to make...

Got any evidence? No of course you don't because you're talking out of your arse.

Also stop starting every sentence as a new paragraph as it makes it impossible to follow your thought process.

Do you not accept truth because you are a racist redneck?

You would rather bury your head deep inside your own arse and continue to eat and smell your own sh1t

USA = most evil regime on the planet

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:04 PM

In a word, no.

This has been covered numerous times. There are numerous existing threads in which this kind of drivel could go. Very few of the responses here even come close to meeting the requirements of D&D.

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