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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:38 PM

I don't know if you noticed it but in GTA ONLINE trailer at 1:55 planes crash.
Honestly I can live with this kind of crashes, but I really hoped for more.
The planes just collide, explode and start falling to the ground.

It would be more interesting if parts of planes could break, and fly off.
Like when you get hit in the wing and it falls off, there is smoke coming out and you lose control.
And when they collide directly mid-air the parts fall off, planes deform and don't just lose momentum instantly.

It just seems uninteresting like this.
I understand that it is just a little thing, but everyone wants this game to be perfect.

But I saw on that part on 1:27, when the plane in the back exploded the parts of it broke off and were flying everywhere.
So maybe they just need to implement this into mid-air plane crashes.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:42 PM

fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:44 PM

QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:45 PM

Um, when planes collide head on in mid air it basically vanishes instantly...

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:47 PM

I'm pretty sure when the wing hits something, only the wing will break off and the plane won't simply explode just like the helis in 4.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:44)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

lol oh dear god,

now try and fail a plane suicidal.gif

lolol fail a plane.


I mean fly a plane.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:52 PM

QUOTE (grand theft scratchy 5 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:47)
I'm pretty sure when the wing hits something, only the wing will break off and the plane won't simply explode just like the helis in 4.

Yes, but in the video they just instantly stop and explode.
It doesn't have to be ultra realistic, it can't be.
But a bit more dynamic.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:53 PM Edited by Marcuskac, 20 August 2013 - 05:57 PM.

QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:51)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:44)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

lol oh dear god,

now try and fail a plane suicidal.gif

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

EDIT:
Ok I see you edited your post.
Well if I understood correctly you are wondering how would you be able to fly a plane
when the wings fall off in a crash.
Well you wouldn't be able to, if you are a skillful pilot you could land it with one wing and survive.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:57 PM

Letīs wait! icon14.gif

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

it will happen you'll see

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Chekoloco @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:57)
Letīs wait! icon14.gif

I agree.
But someone said that the game is already done.
But maybe the footage was filmed earlier.

I believe they will implement better plane destruction.
Imagine that big ass plane you can fly (Titan i believe) flying and you crash in it,
it wing falls off and it starts falling to the ground slowly spinning out of control with players bailing out.
Then it crashes into pieces with a huge explosion.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:07 PM

I think we should be able to press the 'shoot' button and our character climbs outside, grabs the part of the plane that is about to fall off and glue it back together and secure it with sticky-tape. This would be better.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:11 PM

There's still a possibility that they do break apart.
user posted image

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (jamieleng @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:11)
There's still a possibility that they do break apart.

Yeah, that's the part of the trailer I was talking about.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:16 PM

The likelihood of the plane being flown with no or one wing or tail is so slim.

However... being able to control the plane to a crash landing I would say yeah sure.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:16 PM

QUOTE (jamieleng @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:11)
There's still a possibility that they do break apart.
http://i1275.photobu...zps3e32f64d.png

I came in to post this.

I'm sure that this confirms that wings and other parts of planes will break apart and fly off during collisions. I'm not worried.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 13:53)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:51)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:44)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

lol oh dear god,

now try and fail a plane suicidal.gif

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

EDIT:
Ok I see you edited your post.
Well if I understood correctly you are wondering how would you be able to fly a plane
when the wings fall off in a crash.
Well you wouldn't be able to, if you are a skillful pilot you could land it with one wing and survive.

Trust me, as a pilot, if 1 wing falls/breaks off the plane will not be able to fly.

The plane will roll to it's side while tumbling to the ground, it will still have forward momentum but any chance of a landing is 100% gone.

But it would be cool in the game if you clipped a tree or the side of a mountain or something and the wing broke off instead of instantly exploding and stopping (GTA SA) you would just fall to the ground, then explode.

Hopefully R* will give us a chance to bail out of the plane

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:19 PM

It's going to be like Just Cause 2. When you tap something, your plane explodes.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:22 PM

QUOTE (iggy0747 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:18)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 13:53)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:51)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:44)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

lol oh dear god,

now try and fail a plane suicidal.gif

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

EDIT:
Ok I see you edited your post.
Well if I understood correctly you are wondering how would you be able to fly a plane
when the wings fall off in a crash.
Well you wouldn't be able to, if you are a skillful pilot you could land it with one wing and survive.

Trust me, as a pilot, if 1 wing falls/breaks off the plane will not be able to fly.

The plane will roll to it's side while tumbling to the ground, it will still have forward momentum but any chance of a landing is 100% gone.

But it would be cool in the game if you clipped a tree or the side of a mountain or something and the wing broke off instead of instantly exploding and stopping (GTA SA) you would just fall to the ground, then explode.

Hopefully R* will give us a chance to bail out of the plane

Tell that to the pilot who landed his f-15 with only one wing

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:23 PM

QUOTE (iggy0747 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:18)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 13:53)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:51)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:44)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

lol oh dear god,

now try and fail a plane suicidal.gif

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

EDIT:
Ok I see you edited your post.
Well if I understood correctly you are wondering how would you be able to fly a plane
when the wings fall off in a crash.
Well you wouldn't be able to, if you are a skillful pilot you could land it with one wing and survive.

Trust me, as a pilot, if 1 wing falls/breaks off the plane will not be able to fly.

The plane will roll to it's side while tumbling to the ground, it will still have forward momentum but any chance of a landing is 100% gone.

But it would be cool in the game if you clipped a tree or the side of a mountain or something and the wing broke off instead of instantly exploding and stopping (GTA SA) you would just fall to the ground, then explode.

Hopefully R* will give us a chance to bail out of the plane

Yeah it doesn't have to be that much realistic, they can make it a bit controllable,
see saints row 3 when the plane loses its wing.

So you wouldn't just fall to the ground, but could fly a bit more, but you would stilllose altitude.
But the crash in the trailer look a bit dull if you ask me.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:29 PM

I honestly don't know what the technical limitations are when you have a whole bunch planes on screen at once. Is the possibility of them all breaking apart on screen at once, a reason why they don't but they might in Single Player. Sorry if that was a dumb question, I'm not that technically minded.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Pregnantplatypus @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 14:22)
QUOTE (iggy0747 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:18)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 13:53)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:51)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:44)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

lol oh dear god,

now try and fail a plane suicidal.gif

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

EDIT:
Ok I see you edited your post.
Well if I understood correctly you are wondering how would you be able to fly a plane
when the wings fall off in a crash.
Well you wouldn't be able to, if you are a skillful pilot you could land it with one wing and survive.

Trust me, as a pilot, if 1 wing falls/breaks off the plane will not be able to fly.

The plane will roll to it's side while tumbling to the ground, it will still have forward momentum but any chance of a landing is 100% gone.

But it would be cool in the game if you clipped a tree or the side of a mountain or something and the wing broke off instead of instantly exploding and stopping (GTA SA) you would just fall to the ground, then explode.

Hopefully R* will give us a chance to bail out of the plane

Tell that to the pilot who landed his f-15 with only one wing

That's a special case with that F-15 Eagle and pilot. He was using afterburner and the lift generated by the large horizontal surface area of the fuselage, the stabilators and remaining wing areas kept him airborne. He didn't even realize the wing broke off, he said if he had he would've ejected.

Interesting read though 1983 Negev Mid-Air Collision F-15

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (jamieleng @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:11)
There's still a possibility that they do break apart.

Well, that sounds like confirmation to me.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:49 PM

How about crash landings where you can actually salvage the wreck and get supplies?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

QUOTE (rayman617 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:49)
How about crash landings where you can actually salvage the wreck and get supplies?

Don't really know if you are serious, but that is too much.
What kind of supplies would you even salvage?

I am just hoping for more dynamic and interesting plane crashes.
I know R* wont disappoint us.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:00 PM

QUOTE (Il_Tifossi @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:43)
QUOTE (jamieleng @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:11)
There's still a possibility that they do break apart.

Well, that sounds like confirmation to me.

I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic. You are referring to the screengrab I posted & not just the words in my post?

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:03 PM

QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:57)
QUOTE (rayman617 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:49)
How about crash landings where you can actually salvage the wreck and get supplies?

Don't really know if you are serious, but that is too much.
What kind of supplies would you even salvage?

I am just hoping for more dynamic and interesting plane crashes.
I know R* wont disappoint us.

Med kits, ammunition from the marshall, money, misc supplies.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:05 PM

QUOTE (rayman617 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 19:03)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:57)
QUOTE (rayman617 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:49)
How about crash landings where you can actually salvage the wreck and get supplies?

Don't really know if you are serious, but that is too much.
What kind of supplies would you even salvage?

I am just hoping for more dynamic and interesting plane crashes.
I know R* wont disappoint us.

Med kits, ammunition from the marshall, money, misc supplies.

I'm pretty sure we'll be salvaging from sunken planes.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 07:11 PM

QUOTE (iggy0747 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:33)
QUOTE (Pregnantplatypus @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 14:22)
QUOTE (iggy0747 @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 18:18)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 13:53)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:51)
QUOTE (Marcuskac @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:44)
QUOTE (5000 Staples @ Tuesday, Aug 20 2013, 17:42)
fly off with parts of the plane missing ??

which part of the plane could come off lol?

Wings, the tail, or the whole back end. (It splits in half)
Like in IV when you crash a heli the tail falls off.

lol oh dear god,

now try and fail a plane suicidal.gif

I don't understand what are you trying to say here.

EDIT:
Ok I see you edited your post.
Well if I understood correctly you are wondering how would you be able to fly a plane
when the wings fall off in a crash.
Well you wouldn't be able to, if you are a skillful pilot you could land it with one wing and survive.

Trust me, as a pilot, if 1 wing falls/breaks off the plane will not be able to fly.

The plane will roll to it's side while tumbling to the ground, it will still have forward momentum but any chance of a landing is 100% gone.

But it would be cool in the game if you clipped a tree or the side of a mountain or something and the wing broke off instead of instantly exploding and stopping (GTA SA) you would just fall to the ground, then explode.

Hopefully R* will give us a chance to bail out of the plane

Tell that to the pilot who landed his f-15 with only one wing

That's a special case with that F-15 Eagle and pilot. He was using afterburner and the lift generated by the large horizontal surface area of the fuselage, the stabilators and remaining wing areas kept him airborne. He didn't even realize the wing broke off, he said if he had he would've ejected.

Interesting read though 1983 Negev Mid-Air Collision F-15

I'm also a pilot with experience designing aircraft. A plane CAN land with just one wing (dependant upon type of aircraft, pilot skill and Power to weight ratio)


here's an example of a model aircraft losing a wing during a high G maneuver. I've even done this myself with my own model aircraft after having a mid-air collision with other aircraft. This may not carry over to most full scale aircraft since RC aircraft possess much higher P/W ratios. But then again were talking about rockstar and GTA in general. Remember IV Those helicopters will never fly (at least under power) without a tail rotor, maybe auto rotation with no yaw control but nothing like how they fly in the game.


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Posted 21 August 2013 - 12:53 AM

You are comparing a 20,000kg object, which has engines the size of my front room... with enough fuel in it to power my house for at least a day to a RC aircraft.

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