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Posted 09 August 2013 - 12:55 PM

So I have been looking to build a gaming pc that I can record and play high quality games with. I'm looking for a $700-800 computer and have been picking some parts and asking some people and this is what I've come up with

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1q1qK

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Posted 09 August 2013 - 09:06 PM

The system looks fine to me, but it seems that the site shows all those parts from various of shops. Do you really want to purchase everything from three seperate shops? Or would you prefer to get everything from one shop? What resolution do you want to play your games with?

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 12:36 AM

A friend of mine made that exact build two days ago, switch out the PSUand case anyway.

Build is pretty good I think, I'd stretch the budget for an Intel i5 but with mobo costs that might end up 200 bucks more expensive than what you have now, which probably isn't worth it if you're on a tight budget. I'll have to snoop out the psu when I get home as well. Or perhaps someone will do it for you.


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Posted 10 August 2013 - 01:11 AM

QUOTE (Carl CJ Johnsons Brother Brian @ Friday, Aug 9 2013, 21:06)
The system looks fine to me, but it seems that the site shows all those parts from various of shops. Do you really want to purchase everything from three seperate shops? Or would you prefer to get everything from one shop? What resolution do you want to play your games with?

I would prefer to get everything from Newegg people have told me the best things about them. Resolution, idk that depends on the size of monitor am I correct? I'm a big PC noob so I don't know how this stuff works.

I will be able to play games like Battlefield 3 correct?

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Posted 10 August 2013 - 07:13 AM

Correct.

This CPU cooler is not enough for this CPU I think, other than that the setup is fine. I'd also change the mobo to Gigabyte GA-970A-UD3 - it has far more VRMs. To be honest, ASRock 970 Extreme4 is exactly the same as Extreme3, apart from better SLI/Crossfire support.

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Posted 11 August 2013 - 09:51 AM

What CPU do you recommend? And will I be able to record games in high quality?

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 12:07 AM

oh no, you want to record games while playing them, that changes everything.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 05:40 AM

QUOTE (unc13bud @ Monday, Aug 12 2013, 00:07)
oh no, you want to record games while playing them, that changes everything.

What does it change? What build would I need to be able to record and play in HD?

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 06:25 AM

Video footage is gonna be the bane of your system, for an extra 10$ you can get a 1tb hard drive.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822236339

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 11:24 AM

So I couldn't record and play games on high with this build?

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:36 PM

QUOTE (Seniorbboby @ Monday, Aug 12 2013, 22:24)
So I couldn't record and play games on high with this build?

Recording games can as much as halve your framerate. It really takes a huge toll on performance unless you're using a HD PVR as opposed to capture software. However using a HD PVR requires a separate box that requires cables other than HDMI to be plugged into it ect ect and those cost like 200 bucks for a good one and even so quality will be less that something like fraps. In the end it would be a more worthy investment to increase you budget by a few hundred bucks and get an Intel CPU and Mobo combo.

Recording is very demanding.

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Posted 12 August 2013 - 01:42 PM

QUOTE (finn4life @ Monday, Aug 12 2013, 07:36)
QUOTE (Seniorbboby @ Monday, Aug 12 2013, 22:24)
So I couldn't record and play games on high with this build?

Recording games can as much as halve your framerate. It really takes a huge toll on performance unless you're using a HD PVR as opposed to capture software. However using a HD PVR requires a separate box that requires cables other than HDMI to be plugged into it ect ect and those cost like 200 bucks for a good one and even so quality will be less that something like fraps. In the end it would be a more worthy investment to increase you budget by a few hundred bucks and get an Intel CPU and Mobo combo.

Recording is very demanding.

Or he could go with one of the High end FX processors, I personally am using the 8320 and it's amazing, he could use the money saved on CPU and put it into RAM and GPU, or that HD PVR.

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 01:42 PM

Every time I seem to get close to finding PC parts I get set back? All I want is a PC that can record games while playing them in high settings?

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Posted 13 August 2013 - 03:16 PM

Put in a second 500GB hard drive just for game footage and you should be ok for recording. I would go with this CPU cooler instead of the old one.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:05 PM

If I do a $1000 dollar build will I be able to play and record? I gotta say PC gaming is EXPENSIVE!

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:23 PM

QUOTE (Seniorbboby @ Thursday, Aug 15 2013, 14:05)
If I do a $1000 dollar build will I be able to play and record? I gotta say PC gaming is EXPENSIVE!

Consider this setup.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1skUR

850$, leaves you room in your budget for a better keyboard, mouse monitor, whatever.

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Posted 15 August 2013 - 08:27 PM

QUOTE (Seniorbboby @ Thursday, Aug 15 2013, 20:05)
If I do a $1000 dollar build will I be able to play and record? I gotta say PC gaming is EXPENSIVE!

No, it's not really expensive. It all depents on what you are asking for.
You are asking for recording gameplay footage at maximum settings. Do you have any idea what you are asking?
Playing a high-end game on full HD 1080p or even 1440p at maximum settings and recording all the gameplay footage....
These are very huge and heavy tasks. A normal gaming PC is like 700 or a little bit less.
And what you are asking is a $1000+ PC. Yoyo2 knows the best about PC's and he can recommend a good gaming PC for under $1000.
But if you really want to record gemplay footage, you probably will have to lay atleast $1000.

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 12:02 PM

QUOTE (SilverRST @ Thursday, Aug 15 2013, 20:27)
QUOTE (Seniorbboby @ Thursday, Aug 15 2013, 20:05)
If I do a $1000 dollar build will I be able to play and record?  I gotta say PC gaming is EXPENSIVE!

No, it's not really expensive. It all depents on what you are asking for.
You are asking for recording gameplay footage at maximum settings. Do you have any idea what you are asking?
Playing a high-end game on full HD 1080p or even 1440p at maximum settings and recording all the gameplay footage....
These are very huge and heavy tasks. A normal gaming PC is like 700 or a little bit less.
And what you are asking is a $1000+ PC. Yoyo2 knows the best about PC's and he can recommend a good gaming PC for under $1000.
But if you really want to record gemplay footage, you probably will have to lay atleast $1000.

So if I want to record on console its $400 but on PC it's over $1000 lol.. I don't mind because I really want to give PC gaming a chance considering I need it for my work.

So if I do build a $1000 pc gaming setup will I be able to record on max settings?

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Consider this setup.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1skUR

850$, leaves you room in your budget for a better keyboard, mouse monitor, whatever.


What will this setup give me?

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Posted 16 August 2013 - 01:25 PM Edited by finn4life, 16 August 2013 - 02:11 PM.

Probably like 40-50FPS on maxed out settings without recording, it's hard to guess.
If you want to have a good FPS while recording, you'll want a separate harddrive to record to.
Alright, here is a build adhering to what you want. If you want to drop your expectations, then you can get a cheaper build, however for what you want this would be an ideal build that would last a few years comfortably.

http://pcpartpicker....parts/partlist/

CPU
- Intel i54670K - $219.00

MOBO
- Asrock Z87 Extreme 4 - $ 139.99

GPU
- Asus GTX 770 2GB - $399.99 (Could probably go a 760, 770 averages about 15-20 fps more on Ultra quality. @1920 x 1080.)

RAM
- Patriot 2x4 GB @1333Mhz, CAS of 9 - $49.99

HDD's
Maindrive - WD Caviar Black 500GB - $74 (COuld probably save 15 bucks and get a caviar blue)

Storage Drive for recording- WD Caviar Blue 1TB - $64

Case
- Antec three hundred Two - $59.99 (Great, super functional, great airflow case.)

PSU
- SeaSonic S12II 620W 80 PLUS Bronze Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply (Great ratings, supposedly a very trustworthy PSU) - $71.98

CD Drive
- $20

All up $1080, so either drop your expectations a little lower and save a few hundred bucks, or go all out, but you gotta be dedicated to making videos otherwise this could be a waste of money.


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Posted 16 August 2013 - 06:01 PM Edited by Stinky12, 16 August 2013 - 08:42 PM.

It could be possible to record the game at max, that is if your willing to run the game at a lower resolution instead
of 1920x1080. Not a console gamer, but I've heard console run at 1280x720.
It's still better to spend $1000 for that extra head room on a good graphic card and extra HDD

Intel Xeon E3-1225 V3 @3.2GHz $234.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116910
Asus Z87-A $139.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16813131981
G.Skill Ares 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1600 $64.99 (GSKILLBTSAUG 15% off ends 8/31)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16820231544
Sapphire HD7950 3GB $239.99 (Gold Reward 3 Free Games)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16814202026
Western Digital Blue 1TB $69.99 (EMCXMWR37 extra savings ends 8/21)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822236339
Cooler Master 600w $54.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16817171083
LG DVD-RW $17.99 ( 0816STRAGE46 $3 off ends 8/19)
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16827136259
Corsair Carbide 200R $59.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16811139018
subtotal: $882.92

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 01:51 AM

maybe buy
http://www.hauppauge...vr2-gaming.html
i had toyed with the idea of buying one to show how to install gta iv on llano chipsets (a8-3870k) and tweak the performance

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:19 AM

If I used a PVR 2 it wouldn't destroy my FPS and I could record on PC? Or is it just better to upgrade a PC that can stream or record and play on max settings? What is the build to play on max settings and record on there? The minimum price of course.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 11:42 AM Edited by finn4life, 17 August 2013 - 11:49 AM.

QUOTE (Seniorbboby @ Saturday, Aug 17 2013, 22:19)
If I used a PVR 2 it wouldn't destroy my FPS and I could record on PC? Or is it just better to upgrade a PC that can stream or record and play on max settings? What is the build to play on max settings and record on there? The minimum price of course.

Well the build I posted above is top of the line and would do all of that very very well. it came to $1080.
However the build Stinky12 made above is also a good build, and importantly it has a good CPU, recording gameplay is CPU intensive, that's the main thing bringing framerate down.
However if you go with Stinky's build go for the NZXT PSU I posted, and also the Antec300v2 case which is acclaimed as a great simple case.

Also, I posted a silly comment before, using an external PVR is still going to slow down your framerate a bit because it's still recording to the HDD. Your best bet would be to get Fraps or some other recording software, which can be had for like 40 bucks. And get a second Harddrive. Use a smaller main drive (250-500GB) for windows and applications, then a large perhaps 1TB Harddrive to record to and all that, that will improve your framerate significantly, as in almost no frame loss, total damage would be about 80 bucks for a second Harddrive, whereas a HDPVR would cost like $200 and like I already outlined, wouldn't really help.

Stinky12's build is probably the best value for money if you add another HDD and change the PSU and case like I said. It will do pretty much everything you want.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:12 PM Edited by Seniorbboby, 17 August 2013 - 12:30 PM.

QUOTE (finn4life @ Saturday, Aug 17 2013, 11:42)
QUOTE (Seniorbboby @ Saturday, Aug 17 2013, 22:19)
If I used a PVR 2 it wouldn't destroy my FPS and I could record on PC? Or is it just better to upgrade a PC that can stream or record and play on max settings? What is the build to play on max settings and record on there? The minimum price of course.

Well the build I posted above is top of the line and would do all of that very very well. it came to $1080.
However the build Stinky12 made above is also a good build, and importantly it has a good CPU, recording gameplay is CPU intensive, that's the main thing bringing framerate down.
However if you go with Stinky's build go for the NZXT PSU I posted, and also the Antec300v2 case which is acclaimed as a great simple case.

Also, I posted a silly comment before, using an external PVR is still going to slow down your framerate a bit because it's still recording to the HDD. Your best bet would be to get Fraps or some other recording software, which can be had for like 40 bucks. And get a second Harddrive. Use a smaller main drive (250-500GB) for windows and applications, then a large perhaps 1TB Harddrive to record to and all that, that will improve your framerate significantly, as in almost no frame loss, total damage would be about 80 bucks for a second Harddrive, whereas a HDPVR would cost like $200 and like I already outlined, wouldn't really help.

Stinky12's build is probably the best value for money if you add another HDD and change the PSU and case like I said. It will do pretty much everything you want.

Alright so Stinky's build is $900 dollars all together and yours came out to about $1100 and his would be the better one to go with? I'm confused as to how this works.

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However if you go with Stinky's build go for the NZXT PSU I posted, and also the Antec300v2 case which is acclaimed as a great simple case.


So I'm going to take out his PSU and put in the one you picked and this is the build I have.

LG 24X DVD Burner - Bare Drive Black SATA Model GH24NS95 - OEM
$17.99
Corsair Carbide Series 200R Black Steel / Plastic compact ATX Mid Tower Case
$59.99
Western Digital WD Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive - OEM
$69.99
SeaSonic S12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
$64.99
G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAO
$64.99
ASUS Z87-A LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$139.99
Intel Intel Xeon E3-1225V3 Haswell 3.2GHz LGA 1150 95W Quad-Core Server Processor BX80646E31225V3
$234.99
SAPPHIRE 100352-3L Radeon HD 7950 3GB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
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Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
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Subtotal: $992.91

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:26 PM

Also what Windows 7 do I need?

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:43 PM

Okay what I was trying to say is that Stinky12's build would suit your purposes fine, the one I made was probably overkill.
I'd also swap the PC case you have there, for the one I linked, the Antec 300 V2, prices are about the same.

And Windows 7 Home Premium is a fine choice, should do everything you need, however, like I said, adding a 250GB HDD to be your main drive would be a good idea as it will increase performance quite a lot when recording, and then record all gameplay to the 1TB harddrive already in the build. Just do some research into how to do that first, it's not very hard, but having the knowledge first would be a good idea.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 12:50 PM Edited by Seniorbboby, 17 August 2013 - 12:54 PM.

QUOTE (finn4life @ Saturday, Aug 17 2013, 12:43)
Okay what I was trying to say is that Stinky12's build would suit your purposes fine, the one I made was probably overkill.
I'd also swap the PC case you have there, for the one I linked, the Antec 300 V2, prices are about the same.

And Windows 7 Home Premium is a fine choice, should do everything you need, however, like I said, adding a 250GB HDD to be your main drive would be a good idea as it will increase performance quite a lot when recording, and then record all gameplay to the 1TB harddrive already in the build. Just do some research into how to do that first, it's not very hard, but having the knowledge first would be a good idea.

Alright I got the Windows 7 in there, threw the case in there

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adding a 250GB HDD to be your main drive would be a good idea as it will increase performance quite a lot when recording, and then record all gameplay to the 1TB harddrive already in the build


Is where you lose me.

http://www.newegg.co...N82E16822236271

Is this a good one to add?
I don't have the slightest idea how to do that if you could put a guide in my direction it'd be welcomed.

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Posted 17 August 2013 - 07:54 PM

AV hard drives are mostly used in DVRs or other similar devices. No need for that.
Just used the single 1TB, split into 2 partitions, and see how it goes. If it works great, then there is no need to spend more.
Also the Intel Xeon I've selected in the build has Hyper Thread, but it's a hit or miss because there is no way to tell the one you'll get has it or not.
Hyper Thread (HT) is where a CPU core can make a virtual copy of itself. A dual core with HT (like the Core i3), under Windows, it will see it as a quad core (not a true quad core), just a dual core with HT=4 Threads. A quad core (Intel Core i7) with HT, Windows will see it as a 8 core cpu, again not a true 8 core, it's 4 cores + HT = 8 Threads. HT benefits especially when editing movies, images, or other professional work. Not so much in games, but it may help when you're editing the game footage that you just recorded.

With the explanation out of the way...
Server/Workstation Processors
Intel Xeon E3 1225 V3/iGPU/HT=Yes or No /$234.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116910
Intel Xeon E3 1230 V3/No iGPU/HT=Yes/$264.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116906
Intel Xeon E3 1240 V3/No iGPU/HT=Yes/$279.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116905
Intel Xeon E3 1245 V3/iGPU/HT=Yes/$289.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116909
Consumer Processors
Intel Core i5 4670K/iGPU/HT=NO/$239.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116899
Intel Core i7 4770K/iGPU/HT=YES/$339.99
http://www.newegg.co...N82E16819116901
Note that not all motherboards will support Xeons even though they're almost the same CPU as their consumer line up.
To be on the safe side, select Core i5 which has no HT or Core i7 has HT but it will cost more.
If the Xeon does work then you can save a lot.
iGPU is onboard graphics, no iGPU means you can't use the video outputs on the motherboard. But your getting a dedicated video card so it does not matter if the CPU has iGPU or not.













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