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Poll: Which type of organizaton do you like best (509 member(s) have cast votes)

Which type of organizaton do you like best

  1. Street gang (143 votes [29.79%])

    Percentage of vote: 29.79%

  2. Outlaw MC (48 votes [10.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.00%

  3. Mafia/Mob (237 votes [49.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 49.38%

  4. Other (52 votes [10.83%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.83%

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 01:49 PM

QUOTE (Official General @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 05:35)
QUOTE (matsix @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 03:28)
God damn you people are idiots. As if you actually were a part of the mafia, or bloods, or crips. You act like you know everything.
I used to live in a ghetto area, so no I'm not some random white guy living in the beautiful suburbs.

What I was trying to say is that although the mafia isn't still around, they still were organized and more smart than
the other idiotic street gangs. I wasn't saying they were the smartest people in the world because they obviously
weren't otherwise they'd be doing something other than selling drugs and alcohol, which was illegal at the time.

You try and make yourself out to be like you know so much about the way gangs are yet you're sitting on these
forums talking about video games and being a virtual criminal. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a couple of mr. rodgers
living in your perfect suburban house behind a computer screen.

Sorry bro, but you are the idiot.

I never said you were a white guy from the suburbs. I never assumed you were even white to begin with. What ethnicity you are or where you live makes no difference to me.

You made a slightly inaccurate statement about gangs and organized crime, you were successfully challenged on it by me and other people on here who are more well-informed and knowledgeable on the subject and you had no valid response. Hence why all you can do is have a dig at us and call us names. Well that is not gonna change anything. Me and a few others on here actually do know a lot about this stuff, not boasting because it's just the truth. You can tell this by what someone says about the subject.

I just happen to know a lot about gangs and organized crime because I've always been very interested in the subject. I read, learn about it and research it a lot. It's as simple as that.

The Mafia are not 'classy' in the sense of what they do and who they are. If you think being a dedicated member of a criminal brotherhood that is conditioned to murder people in cold blood and make other people's lives a misery is 'classy' then you need to have a better understanding of the word. The Mafia in America are a criminal organization whose roots began at lower levels in the streets and ghettos, no different to what you see with today's street gangs. The Mafia got to their high levels a lot easier due to the fact that their members are white ethnicity, which made it easier for them to develop and maintain their organization in a racially-biased society against non-whites, like what is seen in the USA. Once Italians assimilated into the wider white American population, it became even more easier for them, as golf wang already stated.

My thoughts exactly. People love to throw out "classy" when describing the mafia and I find it appalling, really. I feel the only reason they call the mob classy is because they wear suits all the time in the movies, I guess some dudes really get off on the whole suits thing. Most people really don't understand the historical background of the mafia and the reason why they can afford to be "classy", as they call it. In the end, criminals are criminals. Rich, poor, black, white, educated or uneducated, they are still criminals. I really don't understand why some people have such an obsession or fantasy to play as a rich, white mafia dude. To me, all types of criminals can be interesting in a video game story, with the exception of white-collar criminals. I don't care if it's a street gang, the mafia, or triads, as long as GTA V has a good balance of criminal organizations with interesting, action-packed missions, I'm all good. icon14.gif

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 01:55 PM Edited by Official General, 28 July 2013 - 01:57 PM.

QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 10:14)
In short, many V fourm users are stuck in a fantasy world where the mafia still runs all crime in America, but the reality is street gangs are now involved with most major organized crime in the United States. In fact, it is well known that Mexican street gangs like 18th Street have very strong ties to the Mexican mafia and various Mexican cartels. The point is, crime has changed in America since the 1970s. The mafia is no longer the most powerful criminal organization, and gangs like MS-13 are now worldwide. Unfortunately, too many members still believe that stuff like Godfather, Goodfellas, Sopranos, etc. still happen on a large scale today, when in fact it doesn't.



You could not have said this any better icon14.gif

The Mafia in America has lost much of it's dominance in many criminal enterprises, especially where the drug trade is concerned. Most of the money made by almost all forms of U.S organized crime these days comes from the illegal drug trade, not the traditional Mafia-dominated rackets like illegal gambling, protection, extortion and loansharking. But since the Pizza Connection case of the mid 1980s (when the Mafia used to control the U.S heroin trade), the Mafia have had no major role or any kind of dominance in the U.S drug trade. The import of drugs in the USA seems to be mostly in the hands of foreign criminal groups like various Hispanic drug cartels and the guys who dominate distribution and sales of the drugs in U.S cities are mostly street gangs or street-based crime groups. This is quite an interesting fact when you consider that drugs is the biggest source of income for organized crime in general, you would expect the Mafia to be on top of their game here - this fact just shows that they no longer have that kind of control, power or influence to dominate illegal enterprises in America no more.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:07 PM

QUOTE (Official General @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 05:55)
QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 10:14)
In short, many V fourm users are stuck in a fantasy world where the mafia still runs all crime in America, but the reality is street gangs are now involved with most major organized crime in the United States. In fact, it is well known that Mexican street gangs like 18th Street have very strong ties to the Mexican mafia and various Mexican cartels. The point is, crime has changed in America since the 1970s. The mafia is no longer the most powerful criminal organization, and gangs like MS-13 are now worldwide. Unfortunately, too many members still believe that stuff like Godfather, Goodfellas, Sopranos, etc. still happen on a large scale today, when in fact it doesn't.



You could not have said this any better icon14.gif

The Mafia in America has lost much of it's dominance in many criminal enterprises, especially where the drug trade is concerned. Most of the money made by almost all forms of U.S organized crime these days comes from the illegal drug trade, not the traditional Mafia-dominated rackets like illegal gambling, protection, extortion and loansharking. But since the Pizza Connection case of the mid 1980s (when the Mafia used to control the U.S heroin trade), the Mafia have had no major role or any kind of dominance in the U.S drug trade. The import of drugs in the USA seems to be mostly in the hands of foreign criminal groups like various Hispanic drug cartels and the guys who dominate distribution and sales of the drugs in U.S cities are mostly street gangs or street-based crime groups. This is quite an interesting fact when you consider that drugs is the biggest source of income for organized crime in general, you would expect the Mafia to be on top of their game here - this fact just shows that they no longer have that kind of control, power or influence to dominate illegal enterprises in America no more.

Exactly icon14.gif This is even further shown through the crack epidemic of the mid to late 1980s. Colombians were bringing the crack in, and blacks in the cities were peddling the product to the street. Little to no mafia involved due to the fact that their power was already dwindling. Many moles had already broken up different families, made men were testifying against each other, and the mob lost their casinos in Vegas. Basically, it was the end of the mafia's reign.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:49 PM

Nice to see that there is some other guys who are interested about the subject of organized crime. cool.gif

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 05:36 PM Edited by matsix, 28 July 2013 - 05:40 PM.

QUOTE (Official General @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 13:35)
QUOTE (matsix @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 03:28)
God damn you people are idiots. As if you actually were a part of the mafia, or bloods, or crips. You act like you know everything.
I used to live in a ghetto area, so no I'm not some random white guy living in the beautiful suburbs.

What I was trying to say is that although the mafia isn't still around, they still were organized and more smart than
the other idiotic street gangs. I wasn't saying they were the smartest people in the world because they obviously
weren't otherwise they'd be doing something other than selling drugs and alcohol, which was illegal at the time.

You try and make yourself out to be like you know so much about the way gangs are yet you're sitting on these
forums talking about video games and being a virtual criminal. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a couple of mr. rodgers
living in your perfect suburban house behind a computer screen.

Sorry bro, but you are the idiot.

I never said you were a white guy from the suburbs. I never assumed you were even white to begin with. What ethnicity you are or where you live makes no difference to me.

You made a slightly inaccurate statement about gangs and organized crime, you were successfully challenged on it by me and other people on here who are more well-informed and knowledgeable on the subject and you had no valid response. Hence why all you can do is have a dig at us and call us names. Well that is not gonna change anything. Me and a few others on here actually do know a lot about this stuff, not boasting because it's just the truth. You can tell this by what someone says about the subject.

I just happen to know a lot about gangs and organized crime because I've always been very interested in the subject. I read, learn about it and research it a lot. It's as simple as that.

The Mafia are not 'classy' in the sense of what they do and who they are. If you think being a dedicated member of a criminal brotherhood that is conditioned to murder people in cold blood and make other people's lives a misery is 'classy' then you need to have a better understanding of the word. The Mafia in America are a criminal organization whose roots began at lower levels in the streets and ghettos, no different to what you see with today's street gangs. The Mafia got to their high levels a lot easier due to the fact that their members are white ethnicity, which made it easier for them to develop and maintain their organization in a racially-biased society against non-whites, like what is seen in the USA. Once Italians assimilated into the wider white American population, it became even more easier for them, as golf wang already stated.

They're classy in the way they dress. All you were able to come up with in that reply
is claiming you're 'more knowledgeable' in the gang subject.

Also, I guess you're too much of an idiot to refer back to what you wrote.

QUOTE
I think something we need to understand is the majority of the users on this forum are primarily white living in suburbs or a European country with not nearly the racial diversity we have here in the U.S. Because of this, most of the users here are only exposed to crime through movies and TV.


If my ethnicity and where I live didn't matter you wouldn't have said that at all.

Also, my statement wasn't inaccurate at all. When it comes down to it the mafia were the most organized
and well thought out. Stop trying to be so sophisticated in a subject that you obviously only think you
know so much about. Your long replies with nice words aren't hiding your idiocy when it comes to gangs.

All you're stating with your replies is obvious stuff I learned in school.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:06 PM

Anything but the Mafia (boring) and street gangs who say the N word in every sentence.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:41 PM

QUOTE (matsix @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 09:36)
QUOTE (Official General @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 13:35)
QUOTE (matsix @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 03:28)
God damn you people are idiots. As if you actually were a part of the mafia, or bloods, or crips. You act like you know everything.
I used to live in a ghetto area, so no I'm not some random white guy living in the beautiful suburbs.

What I was trying to say is that although the mafia isn't still around, they still were organized and more smart than
the other idiotic street gangs. I wasn't saying they were the smartest people in the world because they obviously
weren't otherwise they'd be doing something other than selling drugs and alcohol, which was illegal at the time.

You try and make yourself out to be like you know so much about the way gangs are yet you're sitting on these
forums talking about video games and being a virtual criminal. I wouldn't be surprised if you were a couple of mr. rodgers
living in your perfect suburban house behind a computer screen.

Sorry bro, but you are the idiot.

I never said you were a white guy from the suburbs. I never assumed you were even white to begin with. What ethnicity you are or where you live makes no difference to me.

You made a slightly inaccurate statement about gangs and organized crime, you were successfully challenged on it by me and other people on here who are more well-informed and knowledgeable on the subject and you had no valid response. Hence why all you can do is have a dig at us and call us names. Well that is not gonna change anything. Me and a few others on here actually do know a lot about this stuff, not boasting because it's just the truth. You can tell this by what someone says about the subject.

I just happen to know a lot about gangs and organized crime because I've always been very interested in the subject. I read, learn about it and research it a lot. It's as simple as that.

The Mafia are not 'classy' in the sense of what they do and who they are. If you think being a dedicated member of a criminal brotherhood that is conditioned to murder people in cold blood and make other people's lives a misery is 'classy' then you need to have a better understanding of the word. The Mafia in America are a criminal organization whose roots began at lower levels in the streets and ghettos, no different to what you see with today's street gangs. The Mafia got to their high levels a lot easier due to the fact that their members are white ethnicity, which made it easier for them to develop and maintain their organization in a racially-biased society against non-whites, like what is seen in the USA. Once Italians assimilated into the wider white American population, it became even more easier for them, as golf wang already stated.

They're classy in the way they dress. All you were able to come up with in that reply
is claiming you're 'more knowledgeable' in the gang subject.

Also, I guess you're too much of an idiot to refer back to what you wrote.

QUOTE
I think something we need to understand is the majority of the users on this forum are primarily white living in suburbs or a European country with not nearly the racial diversity we have here in the U.S. Because of this, most of the users here are only exposed to crime through movies and TV.


If my ethnicity and where I live didn't matter you wouldn't have said that at all.

Also, my statement wasn't inaccurate at all. When it comes down to it the mafia were the most organized
and well thought out. Stop trying to be so sophisticated in a subject that you obviously only think you
know so much about. Your long replies with nice words aren't hiding your idiocy when it comes to gangs.

All you're stating with your replies is obvious stuff I learned in school.

Here's the problem: He didn't make that statement about the forum's demographics, I did. And if you'll notice, I explained in the following post that I wasn't talking about your race or ethnicity in particular, but rather describing the forum's demographics in general. You further proved my point correct when I said most people find the mafia "classy" because of how they dressed, please refer to my earlier post for that. Look, no one is denying that at one point, the mafia were the most organized. What Official General and I were trying to explain to you is that that it is no longer the way it is. Both him and I have cited historical events to back up our points. You, however, have not brought forth any evidence to substantiate your claim, you instead resort to insults. Official General and I are correct in saying street gangs are a lot more organized now. The mafia has simply lost it's power and dominance, you can't deny that. Look at this
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In October 2012, the US Department of the Treasury labeled the group a "transnational criminal organization," the first such designation for a US street gang
source:http://www.insightcrime.org/groups-el-salvador/mara-salvatrucha-ms-13. See that? MS-13, a "street gang", is now recognized as a transnational crime organization, so much for street gangs being
QUOTE (matsix @ Saturday @ Jul 27 2013, 21:04)
a bunch of low life idiots with guns

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 09:02 PM

Street gangs are just dumbass people who wave guns around. I'm all for organized crime.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 09:19 PM

I've always found the mafia to be the most interesting if it's done very well, although some street gangs can also be very good. Not as big on biker gangs, although it was very well done with TLAD in GTA IV.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:42 AM

QUOTE (matsix @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 17:36)
They're classy in the way they dress. All you were able to come up with in that reply
is claiming you're 'more knowledgeable' in the gang subject.

Also, I guess you're too much of an idiot to refer back to what you wrote.

Also, my statement wasn't inaccurate at all. When it comes down to it the mafia were the most organized
and well thought out. Stop trying to be so sophisticated in a subject that you obviously only think you
know so much about. Your long replies with nice words aren't hiding your idiocy when it comes to gangs.

All you're stating with your replies is obvious stuff I learned in school.

@ matsix

Okay I get that you are Mafia lover and d*ckrider. But it don't change the facts. I'm talking about stuff based on facts an all you can do is throw insults at me and others like golf wang who successfully counter your arguments. I am knowledgeable and well informed on the subject of gangs and organized crime because I put in the time to get acquire it all. I'm pretty sure you did not, but don't take that out on me. You say this about the Mafia :

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They're classy in the way they dress.


Okay so by that logic, let's say a Black or Hispanic street gang member decides to stop wearing urban clothing like baggy pants, baseball caps, hooded tops and sneakers - and then he switches to wearing stylish, tailored suits with a tie and shiny leather shoes. We can safely say that he's now 'classy' right ?

QUOTE
When it comes down to it the mafia WERE  the most organized and well thought out. Stop trying to be so sophisticated in a subject that you obviously only think you know so much about. Your long replies with nice words aren't hiding your idiocy when it comes to gangs.


The key word here is that the Mafia WERE the most organized and well thought out. They once were, but right now, they are not that powerful anymore. Hard to accept for a Mafia lover like you, but it is just that. And all you can do is make broad statements that are not backed up by one fact, as well as throw insults at me again. You obviously are afarid to have a proper, high level discussion about this because you lack the knowledge and expertise to engage in it. So you just react with hostility.

You learned nothing in school about this. Why not try learning from guys like me and golf wang who actually are in the know. But then again your inflated pride would get in the way of that. Don't worry, carry on watching your Hollywood Mafia flicks like the Godfather and Goodfellas and keep on believing in your dreams that the Mafia are still all-conquering might overlords of present-day American organized crime. If it keeps you happy, then at least it's a good thing for you.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:49 AM

All of them tbh

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:39 AM

One type of criminal organization missed: soccer hooligans. Seriously, there are gangs known as "hooligan firms" organized to physically attack supporters of other clubs and cause riots.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:46 AM Edited by jsaba2018, 29 July 2013 - 02:51 AM.

THE ONLY MAFIA POWERFUL IN LA IS THE MEXICAN MAFIA OK SMH

and even they have a mutual relationship with most of the sureno street gangs in LA, without them, LA eme couldnt exist, and without La eme, the sureno streetgangs would just be fighting amongst themselves

and LA eme (mexican mafia) mostly works out of prison, it is a prison based organisation with control over most hispanic gangs in LA, which make up the majority of bangers in LA, not black anymore (no offense to my black brothers)

so everyone who is dick riding the mafia needs to wake the f*ck up and realise that in LOS ANGELES and therefore LOS SANTOS, the only proper mafia that is well established is LA eme, not the italians, not the russians, not the armenians. and La eme NEEDS street gangs to survive, they colect drug taxes from each gang and each sureno streetgang is ferociously loyal to them. streetgangs carry out all their dirty work

streetgangs rule LA weather you guys like it or not, LA has never been a mainstream mafia stronghold, and therefore streetgangs appeal most to the city of los santos which is clearly based of los angeles.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:57 AM

QUOTE (jsaba2018 @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 02:46)
THE ONLY MAFIA POWERFUL IN LA IS THE MEXICAN MAFIA OK SMH

and even they have a mutual relationship with most of the sureno street gangs in LA, without them, LA eme couldnt exist, and without La eme, the sureno streetgangs would just be fighting amongst themselves

and LA eme (mexican mafia) mostly works out of prison, it is a prison based organisation with control over most hispanic gangs in LA, which make up the majority of bangers in LA, not black anymore (no offense to my black brothers)

so everyone who is dick riding the mafia needs to wake the f*ck up and realise that in LOS ANGELES and therefore LOS SANTOS, the only proper mafia that is well established is LA eme, not the italians, not the russians, not the armenians. and La eme NEEDS street gangs to survive, they colect drug taxes from each gang and each sureno streetgang is ferociously loyal to them. streetgangs carry out all their dirty work

streetgangs rule LA weather you guys like it or not, LA has never been a mainstream mafia stronghold, and therefore streetgangs appeal most to the city of los santos which is clearly based of los angeles.

THE ONLY MAFIA POWERFUL IN LA IS THE MEXICAN MAFIA OK SMH

and even they have a mutual relationship with most of the sureno street gangs in LA, without them, LA eme couldnt exist, and without La eme, the sureno streetgangs would just be fighting amongst themselves

and LA eme (mexican mafia) mostly works out of prison, it is a prison based organisation with control over most hispanic gangs in LA, which make up the majority of bangers in LA, not black anymore (no offense to my black brothers)

so everyone who is dick riding the mafia needs to wake the f*ck up and realise that in LOS ANGELES and therefore LOS SANTOS, the only proper mafia that is well established is LA eme, not the italians, not the russians, not the armenians. and La eme NEEDS street gangs to survive, they colect drug taxes from each gang and each sureno streetgang is ferociously loyal to them. streetgangs carry out all their dirty work

streetgangs rule LA weather you guys like it or not, LA has never been a mainstream mafia stronghold, and therefore streetgangs appeal most to the city of los santos which is clearly based of los angeles.

i second this hermano

im from l.a and know lots of surenos, the most powerful criminal organization in l.a is la eMe

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:05 AM

QUOTE (Official General @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 01:42)
QUOTE (matsix @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 17:36)
They're classy in the way they dress. All you were able to come up with in that reply
is claiming you're 'more knowledgeable' in the gang subject.

Also, I guess you're too much of an idiot to refer back to what you wrote.

Also, my statement wasn't inaccurate at all. When it comes down to it the mafia were the most organized
and well thought out. Stop trying to be so sophisticated in a subject that you obviously only think you
know so much about. Your long replies with nice words aren't hiding your idiocy when it comes to gangs.

All you're stating with your replies is obvious stuff I learned in school.

@ matsix

Okay I get that you are Mafia lover and d*ckrider. But it don't change the facts. I'm talking about stuff based on facts an all you can do is throw insults at me and others like golf wang who successfully counter your arguments. I am knowledgeable and well informed on the subject of gangs and organized crime because I put in the time to get acquire it all. I'm pretty sure you did not, but don't take that out on me. You say this about the Mafia :

QUOTE
They're classy in the way they dress.


Okay so by that logic, let's say a Black or Hispanic street gang member decides to stop wearing urban clothing like baggy pants, baseball caps, hooded tops and sneakers - and then he switches to wearing stylish, tailored suits with a tie and shiny leather shoes. We can safely say that he's now 'classy' right ?

QUOTE
When it comes down to it the mafia WERE  the most organized and well thought out. Stop trying to be so sophisticated in a subject that you obviously only think you know so much about. Your long replies with nice words aren't hiding your idiocy when it comes to gangs.


The key word here is that the Mafia WERE the most organized and well thought out. They once were, but right now, they are not that powerful anymore. Hard to accept for a Mafia lover like you, but it is just that. And all you can do is make broad statements that are not backed up by one fact, as well as throw insults at me again. You obviously are afarid to have a proper, high level discussion about this because you lack the knowledge and expertise to engage in it. So you just react with hostility.

You learned nothing in school about this. Why not try learning from guys like me and golf wang who actually are in the know. But then again your inflated pride would get in the way of that. Don't worry, carry on watching your Hollywood Mafia flicks like the Godfather and Goodfellas and keep on believing in your dreams that the Mafia are still all-conquering might overlords of present-day American organized crime. If it keeps you happy, then at least it's a good thing for you.

To you and golf wang, I never meant the mafia were currently the best. I know that they're not as active as they used
to be.

Also, you don't have to be classy to dress classy. Which is why is said the way they dress is classy because it is.
I never said they currently control areas like they used to, I'm not dumb and I have no idea where you got that from. I've
also never watched godfather or goodfellas by the way. Also, I did learn a lot about the mafia in school. My history teacher seemed
to be obsessed with them.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:12 AM

They're all great, it just depends on how Rockstar makes it work.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:15 AM

street gang

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:23 AM

QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 14:07)
QUOTE (Official General @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 05:55)
QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 10:14)
In short, many V fourm users are stuck in a fantasy world where the mafia still runs all crime in America, but the reality is street gangs are now involved with most major organized crime in the United States. In fact, it is well known that Mexican street gangs like 18th Street have very strong ties to the Mexican mafia and various Mexican cartels. The point is, crime has changed in America since the 1970s. The mafia is no longer the most powerful criminal organization, and gangs like MS-13 are now worldwide. Unfortunately, too many members still believe that stuff like Godfather, Goodfellas, Sopranos, etc. still happen on a large scale today, when in fact it doesn't.



You could not have said this any better icon14.gif

The Mafia in America has lost much of it's dominance in many criminal enterprises, especially where the drug trade is concerned. Most of the money made by almost all forms of U.S organized crime these days comes from the illegal drug trade, not the traditional Mafia-dominated rackets like illegal gambling, protection, extortion and loansharking. But since the Pizza Connection case of the mid 1980s (when the Mafia used to control the U.S heroin trade), the Mafia have had no major role or any kind of dominance in the U.S drug trade. The import of drugs in the USA seems to be mostly in the hands of foreign criminal groups like various Hispanic drug cartels and the guys who dominate distribution and sales of the drugs in U.S cities are mostly street gangs or street-based crime groups. This is quite an interesting fact when you consider that drugs is the biggest source of income for organized crime in general, you would expect the Mafia to be on top of their game here - this fact just shows that they no longer have that kind of control, power or influence to dominate illegal enterprises in America no more.

Exactly icon14.gif This is even further shown through the crack epidemic of the mid to late 1980s. Colombians were bringing the crack in, and blacks in the cities were peddling the product to the street. Little to no mafia involved due to the fact that their power was already dwindling. Many moles had already broken up different families, made men were testifying against each other, and the mob lost their casinos in Vegas. Basically, it was the end of the mafia's reign.

Even in the 70s the mafia started buying there Heroin From Frank Lucas and Micky Barnes. The GDs are probally the biggest Gang in America right now started in the Chicago and are now Spread throughout the US in Large Numbers. As far as BMF Craig Petties who was a drug lord was one of their biggest Supplier http://allhiphop.com...-linked-to-bmf/. He was a GD that was also connected to the Mexican Cartel. A lot of people dont know how truly organized these Street Gangs are because They do not get the publicity that the Mafia has received. They only show the lower members and hardly ever Cath the Real King Pins. A lot of people on these forums dont know about. Craig Petties, Big Meech, Larry Hoover, Freeway Rick Ross, Kenneth Supreme Mcgriff, Micky Barnes, Frank Lucus. A lot of people Look at Rappers but not the people who own the labels. Master P is a 5 star General he was a Drug Lord that is how he really started his Label. Baby was a Big time drug dealer. I respect the Mob but Street Gangs are more organized then given credit for.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 04:24 AM

QUOTE (CSM. HB J-DOGG @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 19:23)
QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 14:07)
QUOTE (Official General @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 05:55)
QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 10:14)
In short, many V fourm users are stuck in a fantasy world where the mafia still runs all crime in America, but the reality is street gangs are now involved with most major organized crime in the United States. In fact, it is well known that Mexican street gangs like 18th Street have very strong ties to the Mexican mafia and various Mexican cartels. The point is, crime has changed in America since the 1970s. The mafia is no longer the most powerful criminal organization, and gangs like MS-13 are now worldwide. Unfortunately, too many members still believe that stuff like Godfather, Goodfellas, Sopranos, etc. still happen on a large scale today, when in fact it doesn't.



You could not have said this any better icon14.gif

The Mafia in America has lost much of it's dominance in many criminal enterprises, especially where the drug trade is concerned. Most of the money made by almost all forms of U.S organized crime these days comes from the illegal drug trade, not the traditional Mafia-dominated rackets like illegal gambling, protection, extortion and loansharking. But since the Pizza Connection case of the mid 1980s (when the Mafia used to control the U.S heroin trade), the Mafia have had no major role or any kind of dominance in the U.S drug trade. The import of drugs in the USA seems to be mostly in the hands of foreign criminal groups like various Hispanic drug cartels and the guys who dominate distribution and sales of the drugs in U.S cities are mostly street gangs or street-based crime groups. This is quite an interesting fact when you consider that drugs is the biggest source of income for organized crime in general, you would expect the Mafia to be on top of their game here - this fact just shows that they no longer have that kind of control, power or influence to dominate illegal enterprises in America no more.

Exactly icon14.gif This is even further shown through the crack epidemic of the mid to late 1980s. Colombians were bringing the crack in, and blacks in the cities were peddling the product to the street. Little to no mafia involved due to the fact that their power was already dwindling. Many moles had already broken up different families, made men were testifying against each other, and the mob lost their casinos in Vegas. Basically, it was the end of the mafia's reign.

Even in the 70s the mafia started buying there Heroin From Frank Lucas and Micky Barnes. The GDs are probally the biggest Gang in America right now started in the Chicago and are now Spread throughout the US in Large Numbers. As far as BMF Craig Petties who was a drug lord was one of their biggest Supplier http://allhiphop.com...-linked-to-bmf/. He was a GD that was also connected to the Mexican Cartel. A lot of people dont know how truly organized these Street Gangs are because They do not get the publicity that the Mafia has received. They only show the lower members and hardly ever Cath the Real King Pins. A lot of people on these forums dont know about. Craig Petties, Big Meech, Larry Hoover, Freeway Rick Ross, Kenneth Supreme Mcgriff, Micky Barnes, Frank Lucus. A lot of people Look at Rappers but not the people who own the labels. Master P is a 5 star General he was a Drug Lord that is how he really started his Label. Baby was a Big time drug dealer. I respect the Mob but Street Gangs are more organized then given credit for.

Exactly. A lot of dudes on here cream their panties over the mafia because they've been indoctrinated with the glamorization Hollywood has given them over the years (suits, flashy cars, the pseudo sophistication, etc). Plus, it's no surprise that there are a large amount of SA haters on here that LOVE the mafia. The whole black culture makes them extremely uncomfortable, probably because they feel they can't relate to it. But as I said earlier and as you're saying now, they're ignorant to modern American crime and how it works. They still want to believe that blacks and Latinos are incapable of being successful criminals, and that the mafia runs the whole show.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 04:27 AM

Null-Vote.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:13 AM Edited by luckyshot666, 29 July 2013 - 11:33 AM.

I hope that Mexican drug cartels play a role in the game, too bad there is no US/Mexico border, cartels are so influential, narco tanks, narco submarines, narco guns, narco music, narco tv shows, narco everything. They will take the role of mafia in this century.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:17 AM

QUOTE (golf wang @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 04:24)
QUOTE (CSM. HB J-DOGG @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 19:23)
QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 14:07)
QUOTE (Official General @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 05:55)
QUOTE (golf wang @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 10:14)
In short, many V fourm users are stuck in a fantasy world where the mafia still runs all crime in America, but the reality is street gangs are now involved with most major organized crime in the United States. In fact, it is well known that Mexican street gangs like 18th Street have very strong ties to the Mexican mafia and various Mexican cartels. The point is, crime has changed in America since the 1970s. The mafia is no longer the most powerful criminal organization, and gangs like MS-13 are now worldwide. Unfortunately, too many members still believe that stuff like Godfather, Goodfellas, Sopranos, etc. still happen on a large scale today, when in fact it doesn't.



You could not have said this any better icon14.gif

The Mafia in America has lost much of it's dominance in many criminal enterprises, especially where the drug trade is concerned. Most of the money made by almost all forms of U.S organized crime these days comes from the illegal drug trade, not the traditional Mafia-dominated rackets like illegal gambling, protection, extortion and loansharking. But since the Pizza Connection case of the mid 1980s (when the Mafia used to control the U.S heroin trade), the Mafia have had no major role or any kind of dominance in the U.S drug trade. The import of drugs in the USA seems to be mostly in the hands of foreign criminal groups like various Hispanic drug cartels and the guys who dominate distribution and sales of the drugs in U.S cities are mostly street gangs or street-based crime groups. This is quite an interesting fact when you consider that drugs is the biggest source of income for organized crime in general, you would expect the Mafia to be on top of their game here - this fact just shows that they no longer have that kind of control, power or influence to dominate illegal enterprises in America no more.

Exactly icon14.gif This is even further shown through the crack epidemic of the mid to late 1980s. Colombians were bringing the crack in, and blacks in the cities were peddling the product to the street. Little to no mafia involved due to the fact that their power was already dwindling. Many moles had already broken up different families, made men were testifying against each other, and the mob lost their casinos in Vegas. Basically, it was the end of the mafia's reign.

Even in the 70s the mafia started buying there Heroin From Frank Lucas and Micky Barnes. The GDs are probally the biggest Gang in America right now started in the Chicago and are now Spread throughout the US in Large Numbers. As far as BMF Craig Petties who was a drug lord was one of their biggest Supplier http://allhiphop.com...-linked-to-bmf/. He was a GD that was also connected to the Mexican Cartel. A lot of people dont know how truly organized these Street Gangs are because They do not get the publicity that the Mafia has received. They only show the lower members and hardly ever Cath the Real King Pins. A lot of people on these forums dont know about. Craig Petties, Big Meech, Larry Hoover, Freeway Rick Ross, Kenneth Supreme Mcgriff, Micky Barnes, Frank Lucus. A lot of people Look at Rappers but not the people who own the labels. Master P is a 5 star General he was a Drug Lord that is how he really started his Label. Baby was a Big time drug dealer. I respect the Mob but Street Gangs are more organized then given credit for.

Exactly. A lot of dudes on here cream their panties over the mafia because they've been indoctrinated with the glamorization Hollywood has given them over the years (suits, flashy cars, the pseudo sophistication, etc). Plus, it's no surprise that there are a large amount of SA haters on here that LOVE the mafia. The whole black culture makes them extremely uncomfortable, probably because they feel they can't relate to it. But as I said earlier and as you're saying now, they're ignorant to modern American crime and how it works. They still want to believe that blacks and Latinos are incapable of being successful criminals, and that the mafia runs the whole show.

even though you say this the gangs can be sloppy, and careless and would just do things their own way without la eMe
la eMe is the most powerful criminal group in l.a and they tell surenos what to do and that is what makes alot of surenos organized, they have people higher up than their shot caller that tells their shot caller what to do,

its life.

On the street, the gangs control the streets.

In prison, dont get on the bad side of the mexican mafia

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:25 AM

Personally I've always been most interested in Outlaw MCs. More than anything it's that they seem to exist the furthest from what me and you might consider to be a normal lifestyle, relative to the other criminal groups listed anyway.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 11:53 AM

Zaibatsu, of course.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 12:19 PM

QUOTE (cerenn @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 02:39)
One type of criminal organization missed: soccer hooligans. Seriously, there are gangs known as "hooligan firms" organized to physically attack supporters of other clubs and cause riots.

No, not at all bro. Soccer hooligan gangs are not quite a criminal organization. They are just a bunch of normal, everyday guys who use soccer matches to unleash their tensions and anger through brawling and fighting with each other as rival fans. Physical combat is their main criminal activity, nothing more. That is not really ideal for GTA, as they would serve no other purpose than to fight each other.

And soccer hooligans are not known to really exist in the USA either, especially not in Los Angeles or California. In a country where soccer is not even that popular, you wanna talk about soccer hooliganism ? Soccer hooliganism is predominantly a UK and European thing.

No disrespect, but that was quite a very dumb idea.

@ matsix

Well I'm just point out certain facts to you that is all. I'm very interested in anything Mafia, but I just know the reality of the situation. I'm not gonna pine for too much Mafia in GTA V, because it don't really fit according to real-life. Not because I don't want it.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:27 PM Edited by Degrees, 29 July 2013 - 01:31 PM.

QUOTE (Official General @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 12:19)
QUOTE (cerenn @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 02:39)
One type of criminal organization missed: soccer hooligans. Seriously, there are gangs known as "hooligan firms" organized to physically attack supporters of other clubs and cause riots.

No, not at all bro. Soccer hooligan gangs are not quite a criminal organization. They are just a bunch of normal, everyday guys who use soccer matches to unleash their tensions and anger through brawling and fighting with each other as rival fans. Physical combat is their main criminal activity, nothing more. That is not really ideal for GTA, as they would serve no other purpose than to fight each other.

And soccer hooligans are not known to really exist in the USA either, especially not in Los Angeles or California. In a country where soccer is not even that popular, you wanna talk about soccer hooliganism ? Soccer hooliganism is predominantly a UK and European thing.

No disrespect, but that was quite a very dumb idea.

@ matsix

Well I'm just point out certain facts to you that is all. I'm very interested in anything Mafia, but I just know the reality of the situation. I'm not gonna pine for too much Mafia in GTA V, because it don't really fit according to real-life. Not because I don't want it.

But some like the Chelsea headhunters are linked with Neo Nazi type groups. That are very organized around Europe.

Anyway going to go with the Jamaican Posse still haven't given them justice in a GTA game imo. Still don't think they're as big as they were in the UK anyway. Alabian and Russian mafias run the underworld around here.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 01:23 AM

QUOTE (Degrees @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 13:27)
QUOTE (Official General @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 12:19)
QUOTE (cerenn @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 02:39)
One type of criminal organization missed: soccer hooligans. Seriously, there are gangs known as "hooligan firms" organized to physically attack supporters of other clubs and cause riots.

No, not at all bro. Soccer hooligan gangs are not quite a criminal organization. They are just a bunch of normal, everyday guys who use soccer matches to unleash their tensions and anger through brawling and fighting with each other as rival fans. Physical combat is their main criminal activity, nothing more. That is not really ideal for GTA, as they would serve no other purpose than to fight each other.

And soccer hooligans are not known to really exist in the USA either, especially not in Los Angeles or California. In a country where soccer is not even that popular, you wanna talk about soccer hooliganism ? Soccer hooliganism is predominantly a UK and European thing.

No disrespect, but that was quite a very dumb idea.

@ matsix

Well I'm just point out certain facts to you that is all. I'm very interested in anything Mafia, but I just know the reality of the situation. I'm not gonna pine for too much Mafia in GTA V, because it don't really fit according to real-life. Not because I don't want it.

But some like the Chelsea headhunters are linked with Neo Nazi type groups. That are very organized around Europe.

Anyway going to go with the Jamaican Posse still haven't given them justice in a GTA game imo. Still don't think they're as big as they were in the UK anyway. Alabian and Russian mafias run the underworld around here.

@ Degrees

No. Soccer hooligans have no place in the set up of the American organized crime or gang scene. There is no soccer hooligan gang culture like that in the USA. And what has Europe got to do with Los Santos (LA) ?? Nothing, exactly my point.

The Jamaican Posse have already been featured significantly in GTA IV, what are you talking about ? I cannot see Jamaican Posse gangs being featured in GTA V, they are not a significant or influential part of the LA gang scene, and they have a very small presence on the West Coast. Not feasible.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 01:33 AM

Love street gangs.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 11:09 PM

QUOTE (Official General @ Tuesday, Jul 30 2013, 01:23)
QUOTE (Degrees @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 13:27)
QUOTE (Official General @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 12:19)
QUOTE (cerenn @ Monday, Jul 29 2013, 02:39)
One type of criminal organization missed: soccer hooligans. Seriously, there are gangs known as "hooligan firms" organized to physically attack supporters of other clubs and cause riots.

No, not at all bro. Soccer hooligan gangs are not quite a criminal organization. They are just a bunch of normal, everyday guys who use soccer matches to unleash their tensions and anger through brawling and fighting with each other as rival fans. Physical combat is their main criminal activity, nothing more. That is not really ideal for GTA, as they would serve no other purpose than to fight each other.

And soccer hooligans are not known to really exist in the USA either, especially not in Los Angeles or California. In a country where soccer is not even that popular, you wanna talk about soccer hooliganism ? Soccer hooliganism is predominantly a UK and European thing.

No disrespect, but that was quite a very dumb idea.

@ matsix

Well I'm just point out certain facts to you that is all. I'm very interested in anything Mafia, but I just know the reality of the situation. I'm not gonna pine for too much Mafia in GTA V, because it don't really fit according to real-life. Not because I don't want it.

But some like the Chelsea headhunters are linked with Neo Nazi type groups. That are very organized around Europe.

Anyway going to go with the Jamaican Posse still haven't given them justice in a GTA game imo. Still don't think they're as big as they were in the UK anyway. Alabian and Russian mafias run the underworld around here.

@ Degrees

No. Soccer hooligans have no place in the set up of the American organized crime or gang scene. There is no soccer hooligan gang culture like that in the USA. And what has Europe got to do with Los Santos (LA) ?? Nothing, exactly my point.

The Jamaican Posse have already been featured significantly in GTA IV, what are you talking about ? I cannot see Jamaican Posse gangs being featured in GTA V, they are not a significant or influential part of the LA gang scene, and they have a very small presence on the West Coast. Not feasible.

I heard you saying they wasn't organized or had dealings in criminal activity just saying they do. This thread is pretty much off topic little to deal with gta.

Thread about what organizations appeal to you.

I know about the Posse not being around Socal just saying they appeal more to me. Also in IV I fought their presents was very small like the Russians in SA. I would have liked them to play a bigger role in GTA one day.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 11:12 PM

Some Mexican cartel would be awesome and would fit right in the game setting. I can imagine Trevor fighting against members of the cartel in some desert town.




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