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Posted 28 July 2013 - 01:46 PM

If the next GTA will have a female protag I might simply skip it, no offense to anyone but I don't want to play /GRAND THEFT AUTO/ with a character with boobs, not even if she's badass as Catalina or Elizabeta Torres.

Call me a sexist, insecure prick, but the insecure ones are y'all who keep on wanting to play as the opposite gender like no tomorrow.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE (hobodealerr @ Friday, Jul 26 2013, 23:50)
At the end of the day it's about storytelling. The writers at Rockstar obviously would prefer to tell a story about three male criminals, as opposed to female criminals. Creating a video game isn't something that is cheap, fast, and easy, and so if these writers don't want to dedicate a few years to writing a story about females, then the smartest thing to do is not to write a story about females.

I'm sure there's a Bonnie and Clyde like narrative waiting to be told at Rockstar, but this is the story they wanted to tell. I can't hate them for that.

Perhaps, for all you know, they did try and write a narrative with a female protagonist but it just didn't work out. Something about it just seemed off... wrong. It wasn't working.

Hey man, I only ever suggested it as DLC. I was never trying to downplay what Rockstar is already giving us. I jumped out ahead of this whole thing on other forums before it became some kind of girl power movement on anyone's blog or editorial and said, "hey wouldn't it be cool if as a DLC story there were a three-woman team at the opposite end the story doing heists and almost "competing with the main cast for heists?" After that it spawned into a whole thing and as more discussion happened it thought hey why could these three male leads be women? Like what in their backstories say this has to be a guy for any of them.

I still standby wanting this, but it was simply trying to open a channel of discussion.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 01:59 PM

QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 05:09)
QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 01:20)
QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Friday, Jul 26 2013, 19:56)
QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Friday, Jul 26 2013, 19:03)
As a male gamer who's been gaming for about 25 years now, this is issue really truly bothered me.

.stopped reading right there. if you don't get the concept, after 25 years, GTFO.

Was that some sort of covert way of saying video games are only for guys?

that was me saying 'ooooooh you play games for about 25 years now, but you still haven't grasped the concept of it. Get the f*ck out'

dude, this "debate" is useless. why? well let's have a discussion about politicians practising to cook meth, let's talk about nuns sniffing coke, let's talk about dogs driving your kids to school, let's talk about mentally handicapped people teaching you at a university.........let's talk about sh*t that ain't gonna happen and if it did happen at some point in the past, let's mention how fail it was and how it's everything but usual for those situations to occur.

or let's just NOT do that and get on with life as it is.

You're very ignorant. I can tell because none of what you said had anything to do with anything at all.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:02 PM

QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 13:59)
QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 05:09)
QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 01:20)
QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Friday, Jul 26 2013, 19:56)
QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Friday, Jul 26 2013, 19:03)
As a male gamer who's been gaming for about 25 years now, this is issue really truly bothered me.

.stopped reading right there. if you don't get the concept, after 25 years, GTFO.

Was that some sort of covert way of saying video games are only for guys?

that was me saying 'ooooooh you play games for about 25 years now, but you still haven't grasped the concept of it. Get the f*ck out'

dude, this "debate" is useless. why? well let's have a discussion about politicians practising to cook meth, let's talk about nuns sniffing coke, let's talk about dogs driving your kids to school, let's talk about mentally handicapped people teaching you at a university.........let's talk about sh*t that ain't gonna happen and if it did happen at some point in the past, let's mention how fail it was and how it's everything but usual for those situations to occur.

or let's just NOT do that and get on with life as it is.

You're very ignorant. I can tell because none of what you said had anything to do with anything at all.

lol "Noclue_42" certainly lives up to his name at least!

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#125

Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:05 PM

QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 06:26)
what's wrong with my logic there? monocle.gif

just sayin HUEY whatever is right about it when he implied that those people who ask for female protags in games like GTA are annoying as f*ck.

I haven't bothered to read OP further than the one line I quoted already so I can just imagine what he stated about the issue. whatever he suggested that debate/issue in general is just *facepalm* to me...I can't even get me to srsly argue about it because the issue is so....UGH COME ON MAN.......nahmean?!

it all boils down to: developers don't bow down to "irritated" gamers and their "questionable" desires.....most developers are normal people living in a rather real reality...other than some people who would like reality a little more colorful with less gravitation and the line between genders blurred or whatever....yeah shoot some more acid and maybe it's happening......NOT

and because developers know that a female doing crime, selling drugs, hijacking cars, beating people up, shooting guns in broad daylight and stuff is NOT reality, because they know how the world rolls, their games tend to reflect that. those games who want to be ambitious and authentic at least

You're off by ten years but okay... You just equated asking for female characters in a video game to being immature, yet you wouldn't even entertain the thought after reading half a sentence of my opening post on the principle that the discussion annoys you and I'm immature? Just checking.

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#126

Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:24 PM

QUOTE (kesta195 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 08:23)
This thread really wasn't needed, and I hate the fact that I am made to feel sexist because I don't want a female protagonist.

If people make you feel sexist because you don't want a female character and they do... They're idiots. I was never meaning to start this discussion to call out sexism. I just thought it would be a cool story and a change of pace. There is NOTHING WRONG with not wanting a female lead. Though and I and others have and will continue to call out clowns who do use blatant sexism ("hurr durr stay in the kitchen!") to throw off the discussion and those who hide their sexism behind baseless "facts". Again, nothing wrong with not wanting a female lead in general, no one's calling you anything for it and if they do they're dumb.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Cylan @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 08:30)
Samus turned into fap material after her appearance in Brawl. I wish Nintendo had never even had her take off her helmet, or revealed her gender.

Lightning from Final Fantasy XIII had almost no feminine personality traits.

That bit about Bioware wanting to tell the story from FemShep's point of view primarily is opinion and it could easily be argued the other way. I've played the ME trilogy numerous times with male and female characters and taken away equal satisfaction from both genders.

In my personal opinion, which you, the reader, are free to disagree with, Rockstar probably won't ever do a story with a female lead, and if they do, I hope they're kinda like Bonnie McFarlane. Her and Abigail Marston are both examples of well done female characters.

I can agree with the point about Samus but I don't mind that they revealed her gender. This is the Internet, there is literally porn of EVERYTHING from fruit to fat women and shoes. Yes, my opinion on Femshep was simply opinion and I will never argue that with anyone. To be honest, I felt that MaleShep's campaign would have been great but I felt that even outside the script for MaleShep, the actor just kind of phoned it in. I also agree that I hope Rockstar's past female supporting cast are heavy influences should they ever decide to go that way.

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#128

Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE (Sleepy187. @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 09:08)
The only immature people I see here are the ones who keep on insulting players who wouldn't like to play as females, grow up.
The only insecure people about their gender I see are the ones who desperately want to play as the opposite gender, grow up.

I have NOTHING AT ALL against females in video games, but I prefer to play as a male in GTA, how am I a sexist, insecure, immature prick?

If people make you feel sexist because you don't want a female character and they do... They're idiots. I was never meaning to start this discussion to call out sexism. I just thought it would be a cool story and a change of pace. There is NOTHING WRONG with not wanting a female lead. Though and I and others have and will continue to call out clowns who do use blatant sexism ("hurr durr stay in the kitchen!") to throw off the discussion and those who hide their sexism behind baseless "facts". Again, nothing wrong with not wanting a female lead in general, no one's calling you anything for it and if they do they're dumb.

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#129

Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:43 PM

QUOTE (freak19930 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 16:59)
Sure it could work, but it wouldn't add anything except for providing a few different plot points. Let's say we are playing as a big tough girl, one that is completely equal to men (Like Fem Shep) . What would it change? The only thing that would change is that we might be playing as a gay man that just happens to have boobs and a vagina. That wouldn't really add anything.

I'm sorry but I think you completely missed out on how different Male Sheppard and Female Sheppard were. If think FemShep was just butch soldier chick then I don't what to say. There many times over the course of the games that showed her feminine side without being over the top or stereotypical and still made her in-the-field soldier side compelling and totally believable neither character trait undermining the other. And before anyone says it, I'm not talking about the possible lesbians relationships with Liara or Kelly either.

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#130

Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:49 PM

There's no need for a female protagonist to be introduced/or appear on any future GTA game ever (and thats my personal opinion)


Besides you can play as a female character online isn't that enough

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#131

Posted 28 July 2013 - 02:56 PM

QUOTE (CSM. HB J-DOGG @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 18:43)
QUOTE (Revolution-XW @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 23:37)
QUOTE (CSM. HB J-DOGG @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 23:35)
QUOTE (kesta195 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 13:23)
This thread really wasn't needed, and I hate the fact that I am made to feel sexist because I don't want a female protagonist.

icon14.gif This

I blame the mods for not locking it, though. I've reported the thread already but nothing happens.

Like I said, it's like a console war, they'll just keep flaming each other back and forth.

I know Right. I am Sexist because I dont want to play as a chick in GTA nor do I want my sons playing as chicks in GTA. I dont want my Little girl play GTA at all at least not at the age she is now . When she gets 16-17 and can fully understand right from wrong then maybe. I am sexist because I believe a Real Man should man up and lead his house hold and do what it takes to be the breadwinner. Fact is this topic will divide the GTA fan base which is a clear indication on why it is a bad Idea at this time.

The mods are probably letting slide because among all the crap there is serious discussion and responses going on here. You guys are the ones derailing it.

Also, this:

If people make you feel sexist because you don't want a female character and they do... They're idiots. I was never meaning to start this discussion to call out sexism. I just thought it would be a cool story and a change of pace. There is NOTHING WRONG with not wanting a female lead. Though and I and others have and will continue to call out clowns who do use blatant sexism ("hurr durr stay in the kitchen!") to throw off the discussion and those who hide their sexism behind baseless "facts". Again, nothing wrong with not wanting a female lead in general, no one's calling you anything for it and if they do they're dumb.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:04 PM

QUOTE (ViceCityBestGame @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 09:49)
There's no need for a female protagonist to be introduced/or appear on any future GTA game ever (and thats my personal opinion)


Besides you can play as a female character online isn't that enough

That's your opinion and that's cool by me. Equally though, those of us who would a female lead at some point in the future whether DLC or the next game shouldn't be made to feel any less for it. And no, I'd figure play as a female character online isn't the same thing. It's a representation of the player for female gamers, sure, but it isn't the same as having a fully fleshed out story based around a female lead.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:24 PM

It would be something new if we did play as female protagonist in the future GTA games but if they include an option to play as mutliple character and also if the story of that female protagonist is right and realistic

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:31 PM

Unless she's a Catalina-inspired maniac, I can't see GTA having a female protagonist. No franchise can please everyone.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:36 PM

It might just be me, but I think Agent would be a great game to introduce the player to a female protagonist in addition to a male one. Who hasn't heard of a female government agent? It could work out perfectly.
I just can't see it working for a GTA game though.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 14:05)
QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 06:26)
what's wrong with my logic there?  monocle.gif

just sayin HUEY whatever is right about it when he implied that those people who ask for female protags in games like GTA are annoying as f*ck.

I haven't bothered to read OP further than the one line I quoted already so I can just imagine what he stated about the issue. whatever he suggested that debate/issue in general is just *facepalm* to me...I can't even get me to srsly argue about it because the issue is so....UGH COME ON MAN.......nahmean?!

it all boils down to: developers don't bow down to "irritated" gamers and their "questionable" desires.....most developers are normal people living in a rather real reality...other than some people who would like reality a little more colorful with less gravitation and the line between genders blurred or whatever....yeah shoot some more acid and maybe it's happening......NOT

and because developers know that a female doing crime, selling drugs, hijacking cars, beating people up, shooting guns in broad daylight and stuff is NOT reality, because they know how the world rolls, their games tend to reflect that. those games who want to be ambitious and authentic at least

You're off by ten years but okay... You just equated asking for female characters in a video game to being immature, yet you wouldn't even entertain the thought after reading half a sentence of my opening post on the principle that the discussion annoys you and I'm immature? Just checking.

dude, OH MY F*CKIN GOD. What's the deal with all that hypocrisy? On the real y'all need to stop jockin we....ET f*ckin C

Huey said, in a verbally agressive way maybe (whatever though), that he really dislikes people like you and in response to that you said he's immature and that you aren't sure if he's old enough to know what he talks about. now you wanna tell me something about jumping to conclusions and equating sh*t based on assumptions? no way sir, it ain't goin out like that.

I don't really need to read your whole post as the very first opening sentence was already pretty telling. you must be in the 40's or whatever and you want to see female protags for a GTA game. isn't that right? all I've been trying to tell you (and I already repeated that once, let's make it 3x then) is that you, old as you are and wise as you ought to be, should really understand why it's a no-go, especially for a GTA game, and generally that the "world" ain't ready for it yet and that it's nothing to do with immaturity or whatever but society/reality/developer thinking...and not desires of a few, which are in light of many factors pretty questionable...


check that...and get with the program

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 15:46)

I don't really need to read your whole post as the very first opening sentence was already pretty telling.


Seriously? What a surprise you don't look at people's posts. You wouldn't even watch that video I provided you that showed EVIDENCE to go against your theory women and crime would be a fairytale. I feel like a lot of you are raging against the idea "simply because", that's fine you don't like the idea.

The idea some of you wouldn't play Grand Theft Auto VI if it featured a female lead is pure hyperbole, however.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:53 PM

Before Rockstar announced the three protags, people here looked at who we now know to be Michael and declared their refusal to play as an 'old guy'. In fact they were quite vociferous about it. Yet once we knew about the three protags, Michael has scored consistently high as the most popular. That's a helluva turn around.

So that being the case, I wouldn't be surprised if the same happened if ever Rockstar placed a female amongst the playable cast of a GTA.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Twiggy123 @ Friday, Jul 26 2013, 14:04)
Can we not have another one of these threads?

Seriously, this is retarded. Mods, for the love of god lock this thread. This joke of a post has already been discussed before with terrible results.

You mods are usually lock happy, yet you only lock stupid sh*t. Time to lock something worthwhile.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:58 PM Edited by Noclue_42, 28 July 2013 - 05:01 PM.

QUOTE (FutoDriver @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 16:14)
QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 15:46)

I don't really need to read your whole post as the very first opening sentence was already pretty telling.


Seriously? What a surprise you don't look at people's posts. You wouldn't even watch that video I provided you that showed EVIDENCE to go against your theory women and crime would be a fairytale. I feel like a lot of you are raging against the idea "simply because", that's fine you don't like the idea.

The idea some of you wouldn't play Grand Theft Auto VI if it featured a female lead is pure hyperbole, however.

dude you linked me to some cheesy, dramatizing and poorly investigated HISTORY CHANNEL documentary that's 44 minutes long. I DON'T NEED TO WATCH THAT, just like I DON'T TO READ HIS FULL POST or whatever to get what YOU and him were trying to say. I already said I know there are some women who live the criminal way of life aswell, and I ALSO said that if you compare the actual numbers though it's such a big difference that you barely can make a point saying OH LOOK AT THE NUMBERS man, WOMEN ARE GANGSTAS TOO...generalizing it down to that point...doesn't sit right with me. how many murders/crimes/car jackings/bank robberies or whatever are commited every day on the average and how often have women been directly involved in shooting and actions (and not just as a passive figure, a decoy or something) ?!

and btw. I'm not against it "simply because" if you got that impression. I have my own reasons. realism, personal taste, immersion, authenticity and so on

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 05:13 PM

perv's topic , nothing more can be said here confused.gif

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 05:26 PM Edited by October16th, 28 July 2013 - 05:39 PM.

QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 09:36)
1. There is NOTHING WRONG with not wanting a female lead. Though and I and others have and will continue to call out clowns who do use blatant sexism ("hurr durrstay in the kitchen!") to throw off the discussion and those who hide their sexism behind baseless "facts". Again, nothing wrong with not wanting a female lead in general, no one's calling you anything for it and if they do they're dumb.

2. I felt that not only was "Femshep"'s version of the story the better acted and more convincing of the two (though I have yet to beat ME3 and my wife has done so), I found myself subconsciously feeling like her story was the one Bioware's team wanted to tell

3. "you think a girl would be able to fall ten feet, crash through glass and keep shooting all while not flinching?" Newsflash, son... Most men couldn't do such fantastical things either

4. History has shown that while recorded history doesn't show or portray women as having the killer instinct in numbers, the fact is they have been known to be just as if not more vicious than than male serial killers. Also, a lot of the time, they're just smarter about it than we are.

5. I remember even posting on GTAV.net and coming up with a plausible backstory of three female protagonists to serve as oppositon to the three known male leads in GTA V where what I would like to see as downloadable content, they would been an opposing team of thieves looking to score a big heist of their own with the two teams eventually clashing over a score. I had one character who was a military wife who had recently lost her partner in Iraq, who had been denied support from the military raising their adopted daughter under the unwritten "don't ask, don't tell" code in regards gay and lesbian members of the military. So her motivation for setting up smaller heists to eventually hit the federal reserve was to get what she felt she and her child were owed because her partner had died for her country.

6. Cliché? Sure, but it's no less a credible back story than the unsatisfied former criminal, young black former thug or insane lifelong criminal.

7. Look as a male gamer who's been playing and watching games evolve as long as I have, this shouldn't even be an issue in 2013 in my opinion but even if GTA V isn't the game to do it, something needs to change.

1. You've been trying to make it sound like there is something wrong with not having a female Protagonist. You do understand that the reason there isn't any is because the majority of gamers are men, right? It's not like people are calling out for female protagonist either, so it seems you're going to have to deal with it; realistically, to get your playing as a female hard-on, you'll have to wait until a developer decides to revolve a game around one.

2. That's just your own opinion. As a man myself, I have no desire to play as a female protagonist as I'm not transgender. Male Shepard's voice acting was better too; as I'd rather have a man speaking for me than a women. (Not a sexist remark, it's a rational one.)

3. Newsflash, son; most men probably couldn't but they sure as hell could do it better. By the way, injecting realism into a video game based on either gender is a sexist remark really. "Men can't do it." "Women can't do it." sounds like the same sexist bullsh*t from both sides really.

4. Wow, you have no right to complain about sexism really. You're post is obviously intended to infuriate people; if not, you're just a sexist idiot.

5. Why are you so interested in female protagonists? You seems to have some obsession with being a female, what other man would say/write the things you do? You wrote an entire backstory for three female leads? How fanatical of you. Oh and honestly that story, plot, or whatever it is, sucks.

6. You're so ignorant. You can't judge their back-story when you haven't played the game. Also, your backstory is ridiculous. It's laughable really; not because of gender, well a little, but because of how stupid it sounds.

7. Shouldn't be an issue? IT'S NOT A f*ckING ISSUE; YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING IT AN ISSUE DUMBASS. The rest of the world doesn't give a f*ck because they're not sexist like you are. You're acting like there aren't any games out there with a female protagonist, in reality there are plenty when considering the men to women gamer ratio. Also are you sure you're a male gamer? I know these three things for sure; you're either a homosexual/transgender, a woman, or a pussy. All three are mot likely.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 05:42 PM

QUOTE (boyfromeast1 @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 17:13)
perv's topic , nothing more can be said here confused.gif

If that's the case, you're also implying that:
  • People who like male protagonists are gay.
  • Girls who like male protagonists are pervs.
  • Girls who want a female protagonist are gay.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 05:51 PM

QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 10:46)
QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 14:05)
QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Saturday, Jul 27 2013, 06:26)
what's wrong with my logic there?  monocle.gif

just sayin HUEY whatever is right about it when he implied that those people who ask for female protags in games like GTA are annoying as f*ck.

I haven't bothered to read OP further than the one line I quoted already so I can just imagine what he stated about the issue. whatever he suggested that debate/issue in general is just *facepalm* to me...I can't even get me to srsly argue about it because the issue is so....UGH COME ON MAN.......nahmean?!

it all boils down to: developers don't bow down to "irritated" gamers and their "questionable" desires.....most developers are normal people living in a rather real reality...other than some people who would like reality a little more colorful with less gravitation and the line between genders blurred or whatever....yeah shoot some more acid and maybe it's happening......NOT

and because developers know that a female doing crime, selling drugs, hijacking cars, beating people up, shooting guns in broad daylight and stuff is NOT reality, because they know how the world rolls, their games tend to reflect that. those games who want to be ambitious and authentic at least

You're off by ten years but okay... You just equated asking for female characters in a video game to being immature, yet you wouldn't even entertain the thought after reading half a sentence of my opening post on the principle that the discussion annoys you and I'm immature? Just checking.

dude, OH MY F*CKIN GOD. What's the deal with all that hypocrisy? On the real y'all need to stop jockin we....ET f*ckin C

Huey said, in a verbally agressive way maybe (whatever though), that he really dislikes people like you and in response to that you said he's immature and that you aren't sure if he's old enough to know what he talks about. now you wanna tell me something about jumping to conclusions and equating sh*t based on assumptions? no way sir, it ain't goin out like that.

I don't really need to read your whole post as the very first opening sentence was already pretty telling. you must be in the 40's or whatever and you want to see female protags for a GTA game. isn't that right? all I've been trying to tell you (and I already repeated that once, let's make it 3x then) is that you, old as you are and wise as you ought to be, should really understand why it's a no-go, especially for a GTA game, and generally that the "world" ain't ready for it yet and that it's nothing to do with immaturity or whatever but society/reality/developer thinking...and not desires of a few, which are in light of many factors pretty questionable...


check that...and get with the program

Get off it, man. I called him on it and he admitted to being 17. My point was made regardless. I never actually questioned his age as much as I was calling him childish. Which he was being and owned up to the fact that he goofs on the Internet. And he was cool enough to admit that he could give two sh*ts about the Internet and that's cool. I have my days where I goof off and don't take sh*t seriously either. I'm 30, you're 29. WE get that. But it wasn't hypocrisy to point out how ignorant you were being about the whole situation at all.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:27 PM

ha when did you two ever talk again? Whatever he voiced his opinion and even if he's 17 he's not just goofing I guess. I think he actually meant what he said, just not the way he put it - which he would only do on the internet or whatever. He doesn't like the idea of females in a GTA and can't agree with those who do. I'm certain of that without really knowing what he said to you after that post.

It seems I really can't give this a serious thought and attention in the end. btw I'm 27

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (October16th @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 12:26)
QUOTE (The New Blueguy @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 09:36)
1. There is NOTHING WRONG with not wanting a female lead. Though and I and others have and will continue to call out clowns who do use blatant sexism ("hurr durrstay in the kitchen!") to throw off the discussion and those who hide their sexism behind baseless "facts". Again, nothing wrong with not wanting a female lead in general, no one's calling you anything for it and if they do they're dumb.

2. I felt that not only was "Femshep"'s version of the story the better acted and more convincing of the two (though I have yet to beat ME3 and my wife has done so), I found myself subconsciously feeling like her story was the one Bioware's team wanted to tell

3. "you think a girl would be able to fall ten feet, crash through glass and keep shooting all while not flinching?" Newsflash, son... Most men couldn't do such fantastical things either

4. History has shown that while recorded history doesn't show or portray women as having the killer instinct in numbers, the fact is they have been known to be just as if not more vicious than than male serial killers. Also, a lot of the time, they're just smarter about it than we are.

5. I remember even posting on GTAV.net and coming up with a plausible backstory of three female protagonists to serve as oppositon to the three known male leads in GTA V where what I would like to see as downloadable content, they would been an opposing team of thieves looking to score a big heist of their own with the two teams eventually clashing over a score. I had one character who was a military wife who had recently lost her partner in Iraq, who had been denied support from the military raising their adopted daughter under the unwritten "don't ask, don't tell" code in regards gay and lesbian members of the military. So her motivation for setting up smaller heists to eventually hit the federal reserve was to get what she felt she and her child were owed because her partner had died for her country.

6. Cliché? Sure, but it's no less a credible back story than the unsatisfied former criminal, young black former thug or insane lifelong criminal.

7. Look as a male gamer who's been playing and watching games evolve as long as I have, this shouldn't even be an issue in 2013 in my opinion but even if GTA V isn't the game to do it, something needs to change.

1. You've been trying to make it sound like there is something wrong with not having a female Protagonist. You do understand that the reason there isn't any is because the majority of gamers are men, right? It's not like people are calling out for female protagonist either, so it seems you're going to have to deal with it; realistically, to get your playing as a female hard-on, you'll have to wait until a developer decides to revolve a game around one.

2. That's just your own opinion. As a man myself, I have no desire to play as a female protagonist as I'm not transgender. Male Shepard's voice acting was better too; as I'd rather have a man speaking for me than a women. (Not a sexist remark, it's a rational one.)

3. Newsflash, son; most men probably couldn't but they sure as hell could do it better. By the way, injecting realism into a video game based on either gender is a sexist remark really. "Men can't do it." "Women can't do it." sounds like the same sexist bullsh*t from both sides really.

4. Wow, you have no right to complain about sexism really. You're post is obviously intended to infuriate people; if not, you're just a sexist idiot.

5. Why are you so interested in female protagonists? You seems to have some obsession with being a female, what other man would say/write the things you do? You wrote an entire backstory for three female leads? How fanatical of you. Oh and honestly that story, plot, or whatever it is, sucks.

6. You're so ignorant. You can't judge their back-story when you haven't played the game. Also, your backstory is ridiculous. It's laughable really; not because of gender, well a little, but because of how stupid it sounds.

7. Shouldn't be an issue? IT'S NOT A f*ckING ISSUE; YOU'RE THE ONE MAKING IT AN ISSUE DUMBASS. The rest of the world doesn't give a f*ck because they're not sexist like you are. You're acting like there aren't any games out there with a female protagonist, in reality there are plenty when considering the men to women gamer ratio. Also are you sure you're a male gamer? I know these three things for sure; you're either a homosexual/transgender, a woman, or a pussy. All three are mot likely.

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1. Again, I NEVER once said there was anything wrong with not wanting a female lead character. I've even said (several times now actually) that I was completely fine with those who simply didn't want one. I was, however, calling out those people who were being blatantly sexist, insulting and offensive about it. I understand the reasons there hasn't been one up to this point perfectly fine. It doesn't mean I can't have an opinion on it. I can and have dealt with it just fine as I am not forcing anything on anyone. I simply opened up a discussion about it. Why? Because I wanted to make point not buried what already was 50 pages of the same old kitchen and sandwich jokes. Lost cause the way this topic turned out? Yup. Female hard-on, really? You mean you don't get hard-ons for females? Well then, that's cool too.

2. And that's your opinion. I didn't enjoy Male Sheppard's story. You did. That's great. Even in saying of my opinion that I felt Female Sheppard's story was the better of two and even when I said I felt that Female Sheppard was the story Bioware really wanted to tell, I NEVER said liking Male Sheppard's story was wrong or that anyone had to agree with my OPINION. And you'd rather play as a guy. Great, get it through your head, I'm fine with that.

3. Again, opinion. I never said girls could do better. I simply said that 250 lbs. action movie guy doing it was no more, no less believable than action chick doing it. The people in those movies regardless of gender defy all laws anything ever because it's an action movie no matter what gender the lead is.

4. There is nothing sexist about what I said in this case at all. I'm talking simply on a biological level here for a minute. There is decades upon decades of scientific, medical evidence to suggest that women are smarter than men on a base level simply because of how we're wired as a species. We're the hunters and the gatherers; they're more intellectual. And before anyone gets any ideas, NO it's not inherent or obvious at all because a woman who isn't raised by her environment can indeed be dumber than a guy who was raised as such. But on chemical level that's how it is. They're better planners than we are on a base level so they have the ability to be better criminals than us if they choose.

5. What point did this response other than questioning my gender and sexuality because I hold a different opinion than you? Because I wrote a back story for three female leads and have different interests than you? None. Fanatical? Are you serious? If that's your opinion of the story I created that's perfectly fine. But it is obviously a biased opinion. Not wrong at all. Just biased.

6. Judging their back stories from what we've been told regardless of playing the game does not make me ignorant. Not to mention that I wasn't even judging their back stories at all. I have only ever said with those exact back stories, why couldn't they be women? It was no different, not that there was anything wrong with them. Their back stories nothing to do with the basic premise of whatever the end game is. Either they pull off the grand heist and live happily ever after, one of them dies, none of them die, one betrays the others... Either way none of that directly has any effect on their character backgrounds at all. They could have all been retired circus performers who decide to rob banks. Does the fact that they were circus performers and now they're robbing banks effect whether or not they win or lose at the end? No.

7. Actually, I wasn't making it an issue. The ones who post "hurr durr kitchen, hurr durr sandwich" and come up asinine and bogus reasons, assumptions and statements to rage about it obvious have an issue with it. No I'm not acting like there aren't a lot games out there with female leads (even though statistically there aren't) for the sake of it. All through your post you've been questioning my sexuality, gender and now my social standing under some thinly veiled attempt to not sound ignorant and bigoted but you know that one there. Well yeah...

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:47 PM

QUOTE (Noclue_42 @ Sunday, Jul 28 2013, 13:27)
ha when did you two ever talk again? Whatever he voiced his opinion and even if he's 17 he's not just goofing I guess. I think he actually meant what he said, just not the way he put it - which he would only do on the internet or whatever. He doesn't like the idea of females in a GTA and can't agree with those who do. I'm certain of that without really knowing what he said to you after that post.

It seems I really can't give this a serious thought and attention in the end. btw I'm 27

Alright, I'll own up to the age thing, LOL. I mixed you up with the other dude for a second, heh.

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 07:00 PM

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 08:01 PM

This is utterly horrible. It's because of people like the OP that women are being forced onto every writer or game designer. f*ck THAT. My soul weeps for future generations who will have to put up with bitchy men who whine about there not being enough women in a workplace or a f*cking movie.




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