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Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:22 PM

QUOTE (TEoS @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 19:18)
QUOTE (rolomite @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 08:59)
I know the UK likes to be sophisticated, but really? Block porn?
If you are adult(keep this in mind) it should be your own damn choice whether you want to watch it or not.

This doesn't block porn for adults. While access is disabled by default, you can alert your ISP that you'd like to receive it and they'll turn it on for you.

Honestly, I'd be more concerned about the slippery slope this will head down (in regards to your ISP controlling what you can access) than the awkward phone conversation with your ISP representative.

Exactly. It's being blown out of proportion slightly. But there are long term risks that could permeate from this form of control, as much as a 'moral crusader' I am tounge.gif , I never want to live in an Orwellian type of controlled society.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:32 PM Edited by SomeManForGTA, 24 July 2013 - 07:35 PM.

Kids should be allowed to watch porn. It's natural. There shouldn't be an an age limit. As soon as they feel the urge to masterbate nothing should stop them. They're masterbating in private, it's their own personal thing and it shouldn't bother anyone. I won't get into ages, but saying 15 -17 year olds shouldn't have access to porn is wrong. What I mean is how is a 16 year old going to get in contact with his ISP to have porn activated. Most mothers are way to protective and hate the truth that most males over 14 watch and enjoy porn. People under 18 watching porn is not really a problem in my opinion and nothing needs to change. Maybe some excessive porn parodying rape or something should be moderated properly.

Even me, a 20 year old guy. It's awkward for me to say to my mom "Hey give me the details for your account you use to pay for our broadband, I need to get porn turned back on" biggrin.gif

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Mokrie Dela @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 19:14)
QUOTE (GTA-King @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 17:39)
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I'm privy to hot girls doing the "duckface" myself. I don't have the slightest idea why I find it attractive, but if GTA-Prince (my D) gets all worked up because of it, you can bet your bottom dollar that I will be having a good wank to it.

As strange as this comment is it brings up a good point, what actually classifies as pornography and more importantly a pornographic site, Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, 4chan. Wherever you go you're going to find some sort of either softcore or hardcore pornography, so how then would the classification system work? What websites would be blocked and what websites wouldn't? Enforcing a law of this size and scale is simply too much effort for minor results, even if it passed through the Commons we'd see them fall at the first hurdle.

That guy would fap to a decapitated donkey being raped by ten year old girl, so I don't think his comments can be taken too seriously for this debate...

You seriously need to get over it.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:38 PM

QUOTE (TEoS @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 19:18)
QUOTE (rolomite @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 08:59)
I know the UK likes to be sophisticated, but really? Block porn?
If you are adult(keep this in mind) it should be your own damn choice whether you want to watch it or not.

This doesn't block porn for adults. While access is disabled by default, you can alert your ISP that you'd like to receive it and they'll turn it on for you.

Honestly, I'd be more concerned about the slippery slope this will head down (in regards to your ISP controlling what you can access) than the awkward phone conversation with your ISP representative.

Oh but that makes it clear. In that case, I agree it is a good thing to block it (read: make it harder) for youngsters to watch porn.
But those warnings saying: if you're not 18 years or older didn't work really well. I speak out of experience lol. I used to be a pornlaw offender I think tounge.gif

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 08:43 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 20:22)
A couple of comments

I note the fact you've failed entirely to respond to my post on the previous page?

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#126

Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:07 PM

^ I tried to provide some evidence I thought of what I was getting at, thus in order to substantiate my claims/opinion. (see post on page 6).

I really don't have the time or the effort to respond individually to each post aimed at challenging my views on the matter. wink.gif

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:11 PM

This is laughable.

I'm not understanding why governments try and control what we look at online, whether it be pornography or anything else.

I hope it doesn't pass through the House, for your own sake.

Your friend, Australia.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:15 PM

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This is laughable.

I'm not understanding why governments try and control what we look at online, whether it be pornography or anything else.

I hope it doesn't pass through the House, for your own sake.

Your friend, Australia.

They are proposing to give adults a choice to either chose to get access to porn or not, it's hardly forcing people to go to a 'black market' for their porn habits. I hope it passes through, for the sakes of the children and in spite of all the horny teenagers who have it so easy these days tounge2.gif

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:24 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:35)
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You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Excessive use can lead to some damage, mostly psychologically. Some people have extreme addictions and it takes over their life, but its a disorder on the fringe.

Apparently it's only a bill that would require ISPs to block porn automatically, but the computer admin can remove that feature. "Think of the children!"

It's not as sinister as people claim it to be, but it's just stupid.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Mr.Mister @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 21:24)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:35)
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You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Excessive use can lead to some damage, mostly psychologically. Some people have extreme addictions and it takes over their life, but its a disorder on the fringe.

I've never really heard of anyone with a full on addiction to porn that ruins their life.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 12:57)
Banning or atleast making it's much more difficult to get access porn, is unquestionably a good thing.

this is not true.

you have not provided any argument to really prove this.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:46 PM

QUOTE (thatguy23 @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 15:35)
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You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Excessive use can lead to some damage, mostly psychologically. Some people have extreme addictions and it takes over their life, but its a disorder on the fringe.

I've never really heard of anyone with a full on addiction to porn that ruins their life.

Just because you don't know does not mean it doesn't happen

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:54 PM

QUOTE (Mr.Mister @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 21:46)
QUOTE (thatguy23 @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 15:35)
QUOTE (Mr.Mister @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 21:24)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:35)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:29)
You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Excessive use can lead to some damage, mostly psychologically. Some people have extreme addictions and it takes over their life, but its a disorder on the fringe.

I've never really heard of anyone with a full on addiction to porn that ruins their life.

Just because you don't know does not mean it doesn't happen

Granted. But then just because there is the possibility that someone may become addicted to alcohol doesn't mean that it should be banned. The point is that its not the government's responsibility to impose a blanket ban on things on moral grounds. Restrictions? Yes, but not summary bans because morality is subjective.

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 10:08 PM

To the fellow users on here from the UK, I hope it doesn't pass through. Plus as many people have stated in here that it will be easy to just access it from all type of proxy's, download some from utorrent and so forth. The way I see it that, pornography now is becoming a big thing in sex education (In my Country yes, if anyone in Australia saw The Herald Sun article on Tuesday? Not sure about others), and that teachers want to address it to a specific age of children so they know for the future. Either way, people who are addicted to porn will find another way to access it..

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:54 AM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 22:07)
^ I tried to provide some evidence I thought of what I was getting at, thus in order to substantiate my claims/opinion. (see post on page 6).

The problem is that it sort of doesn't. Without seeing the source I can't really judge the merit of it, but the extract you posted doesn't really quantify any claims with evidence- it just makes them. I particularly object to the suggestion that increased consumption of pornography leads to increased risk of involvement in sexual assault, which seems contradictory given that rates of sexual violence have dropped over the last ten years despite pornography becoming more prevalent. Also, I don't think anyone is arguing that in some circumstances pornography cannot be harmful. My point is purely that there's a complete lack of causal evidence suggesting pornography above all else is actually damaging as a medium irrespective of circumstance.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 06:59 AM

I guess Paul Revere was wrong, the british aren't cumming.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:24 AM

QUOTE (A loaded rifle @ Thursday, Jul 25 2013, 07:59)
I guess Paul Revere was wrong, the british aren't cumming.

Oh, how I wish you were anywhere near as funny as you seem to think you are.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:33 AM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Thursday, Jul 25 2013, 18:24)
QUOTE (A loaded rifle @ Thursday, Jul 25 2013, 07:59)
I guess Paul Revere was wrong, the british aren't cumming.

Oh, how I wish you were anywhere near as funny as you seem to think you are.

Same here, because then I could be laughing right now rather than have a moment of wincing, followed by a gentle forehead palm- slide-down-to-chin rub.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 07:58 AM Edited by Deuce Deuce, 25 July 2013 - 08:01 AM.

I think people should have a right to do whatever they want on the internet; on the other hand I can't help but think it could be a good thing potentially - mainly for young teenagers and children today. Regardless of what people think, excessive porn usage (for a man) can affect their outlook on the way they view women and life in general, in a bad way. I personally don't watch it anymore for those reasons and am a much happier person because of it. That said, I don't support anything the government do and don't really give a sh*t either way; the whole system is so corrupt it's ridiculous.

After all that, what I don't like is that the government feel it's OK to determine what you're "allowed" to do on your own computer - whether it be online porn or anything else. Especially if you're actually paying for your own services. monocle.gif

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:05 AM

QUOTE (Mr.Mister @ Thursday, Jul 25 2013, 07:24)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:35)
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You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Excessive use can lead to some damage, mostly psychologically. Some people have extreme addictions and it takes over their life, but its a disorder on the fringe.

You can say this about pretty much anything though. People get addicted to alcohol to the point where it rips there family apart, and I've seen this first hand, yet they don't outlaw alcohol (thankfully).

Banning something just because a minority of people, who clearly aren't the norm, have personal problems with it, namely addiction, isn't the right thing to do.

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:35 AM

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QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:29)
You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Excessive use can lead to some damage, mostly psychologically. Some people have extreme addictions and it takes over their life, but its a disorder on the fringe.

You can say this about pretty much anything though. People get addicted to alcohol to the point where it rips there family apart, and I've seen this first hand, yet they don't outlaw alcohol (thankfully).

Banning something just because a minority of people, who clearly aren't the norm, have personal problems with it, namely addiction, isn't the right thing to do.

Quite true. Improper or excessive consumption of anything, from pornography to alcohol to soft drink to oxygen is harmful, but that doesn't justify outlawing access to the product. I agree much more needs to be done to educate children and teenagers about pornography and to limit harmful exposure but suggesting pornography in and of itself is harmful is patently false and these goals cannot be achieved by simply forcing ISPs to filter what some people deem objectionable and making people opt into it. For one, there's no clear boundary of what could constitute pornography. Is artistic but erotic nude photography pornography? What about adult sexual content in video games or films? Is the nudity in Life of Brian or the sex scenes in Far Cry 3 pornographic enough to come under these rules? What about Blogspot or other blogs which contain sexual material-how do you determine which do and which don't?

Poorly thought out idea.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:09 PM

Pretty sure this hasn't posted but it's gonna happen:
http://www.dailymail...-web-users.html

It's starting at the end of the year.

It doesn't stop there, though, the filter may block other things that are not related to porn:
http://readwrite.com...~ocJPAvz5UMMt1c

Get your VPNs ready everyone.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:12 PM

Blocking porn is one thing. But that's f*ckin' bullsh*t. People shouldn't have to put up with that sh*t.

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:38 PM

It's not gonna be fully blocked, all you need to do is call up your broadband company or something then ask then to switch on porn, sure it's embarrassing but it's not as bad as it could be ie banning it altogether

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Posted 26 July 2013 - 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Indi @ Friday, Jul 26 2013, 22:09)
Pretty sure this hasn't posted but it's gonna happen:
http://www.dailymail...-web-users.html

It's starting at the end of the year.

It doesn't stop there, though, the filter may block other things that are not related to porn:
http://readwrite.com...~ocJPAvz5UMMt1c

Get your VPNs ready everyone.

So according to the 2nd link we Brits could be banned by visiting this site & other forums unless we call to deactivate the filter?

Right feel free to hate then

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 12:04 PM

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QUOTE (universetwisters @ Monday, Jul 22 2013, 14:25)
Bummer to all those who live across the pond. Hell, UK's been getting worse and worse since the past ten years, with all the security cameras and shaira zones and stuff.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 12:50 PM

On the bright side, Camoron has pretty much sealed his party's fate for the next million years. I can see how this is gonna end. Teenagers are gonna take it to the streets and explode from the waist down. It'll literally be Al Qaeda's wet dream.

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Thursday, Jul 25 2013, 02:37)
I really don't have the time or the effort to respond individually to each post aimed at challenging my views on the matter. wink.gif

So, in other words you are either not ready to defend your opinion or you are just ignorant.

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Honestly is this forum full of twonks or something?


And you are one of them, right?

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So, please enlighten me, how has Porn ALWAYS been easily accessible, before the internet? Clue's in the username as to when I was born by the way.


Accessible without the internet or before?, ever heard of this?:

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I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to, but I'm pretty damn sure if a guy see's a lot of porno, his view of women and sexual relationships is damaged. I've no idea if research supports that, or not.


Please do so unless you reserve the right to make yourself look more moronic.


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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:34 PM

I think I actually heard about this years ago. The intention is obviously to prevent more children who may be in their single digits from losing their innocence at the hands of temptation and curiosity, but illegal_luggage does have a point regarding the ineffectiveness of censoring "deep web" sites not indexed by well known search engines. After all, how else could China's internet censorship attempts fail time and time again? False positives as they're called are also a big problem whether it be website blockers used on networks within enterprises to large public ventures such as this.

Obviously, people need to take some responsibility for their own problems and of course take responsibility for their children. Nothing can safely replace common sense.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:59 PM

That's very good news, now pornography reduced, good job guys! wink.gif




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