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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:39 PM Edited by El Zilcho, 23 July 2013 - 02:42 PM.

This is an instantaneous flicking of the V to every 12 - 17 year old male in the UK. Myself included. Still, I'll be at University come this plans implementation at the end of 2014 so I'll either be able to access my beloved amateur videos, or I'll be blocked due to the institution's policy anyway.

On the politics behind this, I'll say that this is a horrendous overreaching of government intervention, a nanny state intrusion and the beginnings of state censorship online. While I would class the latter statement I made as only a possible worst case scenario, I still find it irksome that the government is operating as a moral arbiter on this issue, when there is already an availability of blocking software available. It makes the default position of Conservative terror for children's innocence an "opt-out" attitude for everyone on the web, forcing us to opt-in in order to have unfettered access to what was previously the freest medium on the planet. No, not porn, the internet.
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Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:47 PM Edited by Kirsty, 23 July 2013 - 04:05 PM.

QUOTE (MasterO @ Monday, Jul 22 2013, 14:32)
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Bummer to all those who live across the pond. Hell, UK's been getting worse and worse since the past ten years, with all the security cameras and shaira zones and stuff.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:57 PM

Quick question, is there going to be a free vote on the issue or is Cameron going to whip the Tory caucus?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:07 PM

QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:57)
Quick question, is there going to be a free vote on the issue or is Cameron going to whip the Tory caucus?

Vote? People voting on issues? We don't get to vote on issues in the UK, what, you think we are a some kind of democracy or something? Get real tounge.gif

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:11 PM

QUOTE (El Zilcho @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 14:39)
This is an instantaneous flicking of the V to every 12 - 17 year old male in the UK. Myself included. Still, I'll be at University come this plans implementation at the end of 2014 so I'll either be able to access my beloved amateur videos, or I'll be blocked due to the institution's policy anyway.

On the politics behind this, I'll say that this is a horrendous overreaching of government intervention, a nanny state intrusion and the beginnings of state censorship online. While I would class the latter statement I made as only a possible worst case scenario, I still find it irksome that the government is operating as a moral arbiter on this issue, when there is already an availability of blocking software available. It makes the default position of Conservative terror for children's innocence an "opt-out" attitude for everyone on the web, forcing us to opt-in in order to have unfettered access to what was previously the freest medium on the planet. No, not porn, the internet.

Or to put it simply bullsh*t.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:18 PM

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 18:07)
QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:57)
Quick question, is there going to be a free vote on the issue or is Cameron going to whip the Tory caucus?

Vote? People voting on issues? We don't get to vote on issues in the UK, what, you think we are a some kind of democracy or something? Get real tounge.gif

The funny thing is, it's not even an issue. There is absolutely nothing wrong with 12-17 year old jerking off to porn. They've been doing it for 15 years and long may it continue.

I swear, outlawing weed, laws on porn distribution... what next? A ban on oxygen?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:09 PM

QUOTE (thegtaman531 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 13:12)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 06:58)
Porn is too easy to access, and mentally damaging to a young lad's mind, I'd be in favour of a ban on access to internet porn because of that and it's increasingly becoming more and more morally degrading to women. When I was growing up before porn became such an easy option, a good wank could easily be done just from looking at a the lingerie section of a woman's clothes magazine/catalogue nowadays lads growing up are probably getting off by watching a chick stick baseball bats were they aren't supposed to go and worse!

It's too bad it's all going to be words, and no actions from the politicians.

So wanking to models in lingere isnt degrading to women? Makes sense.

What a twonk you are.


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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:20 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 11:09)
QUOTE (thegtaman531 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 13:12)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 06:58)
Porn is too easy to access, and mentally damaging to a young lad's mind, I'd be in favour of a ban on access to internet porn because of that and it's increasingly becoming more and more morally degrading to women. When I was growing up before porn became such an easy option, a good wank could easily be done just from looking at a the lingerie section of a woman's clothes magazine/catalogue nowadays lads growing up are probably getting off by watching a chick stick baseball bats were they aren't supposed to go and worse!

It's too bad it's all going to be words, and no actions from the politicians.

So wanking to models in lingere isnt degrading to women? Makes sense.

What a twonk you are.

Except he's got a point.

Porn has ALWAYS been easily accessible. Even in the days of the magazines, if you really wanted to, you could easily find a way to get what you needed. When were you born, in the 1910s? Hell, porn has been around for centuries.

Now, can you substantiate your argument that porn is damaging to a young lad's mind? I watched a lot of porn growing up, starting age 12 or so, as did the majority of my school friends, and we all turned out ok. As long as they aren't watching anything illegal, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want.

Also, the majority of the internet is composed of porn. Good luck trying to block that!

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE (Tchuck @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:20)

Except he's got a point.

Porn has ALWAYS been easily accessible. Even in the days of the magazines, if you really wanted to, you could easily find a way to get what you needed. When were you born, in the 1910s? Hell, porn has been around for centuries.

Now, can you substantiate your argument that porn is damaging to a young lad's mind? I watched a lot of porn growing up, starting age 12 or so, as did the majority of my school friends, and we all turned out ok. As long as they aren't watching anything illegal, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want.

Also, the majority of the internet is composed of porn. Good luck trying to block that!

mercie_blink.gif Honestly is this forum full of twonks or something? monocle.gif

So, please enlighten me, how has Porn ALWAYS been easily accessible, before the internet? Clue's in the username as to when I was born by the way.

I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to, but I'm pretty damn sure if a guy see's a lot of porno, his view of women and sexual relationships is damaged. I've no idea if research supports that, or not.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:52 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:44)
I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to,

In that case be prepared to have your unsubstantiated opinions routinely challenged and in future prepare a better retort than 'twonks.'

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 01:14)
QUOTE (Tchuck @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:20)

Except he's got a point.

Porn has ALWAYS been easily accessible. Even in the days of the magazines, if you really wanted to, you could easily find a way to get what you needed. When were you born, in the 1910s? Hell, porn has been around for centuries.

Now, can you substantiate your argument that porn is damaging to a young lad's mind? I watched a lot of porn growing up, starting age 12 or so, as did the majority of my school friends, and we all turned out ok. As long as they aren't watching anything illegal, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want.

Also, the majority of the internet is composed of porn. Good luck trying to block that!

mercie_blink.gif Honestly is this forum full of twonks or something? monocle.gif

So, please enlighten me, how has Porn ALWAYS been easily accessible, before the internet? Clue's in the username as to when I was born by the way.

I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to, but I'm pretty damn sure if a guy see's a lot of porno, his view of women and sexual relationships is damaged. I've no idea if research supports that, or not.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 07:59 PM

Even though I am against any form of censorship, I never saw much use in porn. I can get myself off just fine with only my imagination. I don't need pictures or video as a form of sexual stimuli.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:01 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 01:58)
Porn is too easy to access, and mentally damaging to a young lad's mind, I'd be in favour of a ban on access to internet porn because of that and it's increasingly becoming more and more morally degrading to women. When I was growing up before porn became such an easy option, a good wank could easily be done just from looking at a the lingerie section of a woman's clothes magazine/catalogue nowadays lads growing up are probably getting off by watching a chick stick baseball bats were they aren't supposed to go and worse!

It's too bad it's all going to be words, and no actions from the politicians.

You really are a f*cking hack. First guns, now porn. What's next, video games?(Then again, you play those)

You claim that porn warps a young man's mind, yet you have no proof at all. Most boys that are under 18 watch porn. If what you said was true, don't you think there would be more rapists and other sick f*cks?

No, you are a f*cking moral crusader. Anything that you don't believe is right, should be f*cking banned or made impossible to get.7


The government has no right to tell people what they can and can not watch. If there is questionable material, it is up to the parents to prevent their kids from accessing it. Not the government. This is pretty much sh*tty parents asking the f*cking government to their f*cking job for them. And the government tries to hide it by saying it is to prevent child porn, when really it's to help those sh*tty parents. Kinda like how they go and try to censor other things.

This "think of the children" BS needs to f*cking stop. Kids aren't that stupid. Though they do need a compass in life, but that should be their parents, not the damn government.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:29 PM

QUOTE (Max. @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:52)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:44)
I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to,

In that case be prepared to have your unsubstantiated opinions routinely challenged and in future prepare a better retort than 'twonks.'

You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad. Making it more difficult to access is good.

Moral Crusader, I'd prefer to consider myself a speaker of the truth.

If you desperate wankers love porn so much, you know a ban... it's never go to stop your need for it, you'll find ways I'm sure.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:46 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:29)
Moral Crusader, I'd prefer to consider myself a speaker of the truth.

No, you definitely are a moral crusader. Since you are trying to make your morals like they are the truth, when in reality they are just your god damn f*cking opinion. You sound like the people who were for prohibition, something that didn't work at all and made things worst.

So what we can find ways around the porn block, what about the people who can't? Shouldn't they be able to discover on their own if they like porn or not? You are trying to force your views on people. And with that, you are a f*cking moral crusader, not a speaker of truth.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (The General @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 20:46)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:29)
Moral Crusader, I'd prefer to consider myself a speaker of the truth.

No, you definitely are a moral crusader. Since you are trying to make your morals like they are the truth, when in reality they are just your god damn f*cking opinion. You sound like the people who were for prohibition, something that didn't work at all and made things worst.

So what we can find ways around the porn block, what about the people who can't? Shouldn't they be able to discover on their own if they like porn or not? You are trying to force your views on people. And with that, you are a f*cking moral crusader, not a speaker of truth.

People who can't perhaps they might seek the real thing, take a girl out, get to know her and fall in love, then do what comes naturally wink.gif

Who in their right mind can consider pornography a good thing, taking into consideration how it's increasingly more degrading to women!?

Desperate virgins, perverts and twonks who think they know it all?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:09 PM Edited by elanman, 23 July 2013 - 09:15 PM.

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I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to


If you desperate wankers love porn so much, you know a ban... it's never go to stop your need for it, you'll find ways I'm sure.




But how far do you want to go with this? Should magazines like Front or Nuts be banned? Or Page 3 of the Sun?


You're denouncing a large portion of the western male population, many of whom are in healthy relationships but just so happen to consume legal pornography in one way or another.


Yes, there exists pornographic material which depicts the abuse of women and covertly supports their degradation. Do I find this material offensive and abhorrent? Yes. Would I consume such material? No. Should such material exist? Ideally, no. Would I watch the playful escapades of two fit 20 year old Swedish girls as they explore their sapphic desires, or look at Lucy Collet's heavenly tits? Yes, and I've no reason to believe that doing so constitutes "unhealthy" or "desperate" behavior.

You seem to think that if a lad watches porn, then he's into weird fetish sh*t and that he is doomed to a life of perversion, but in reality those who watch such material are in a very small minority. I fail to see how the conventional pornography, which portrays women as equals, can be seen as viciously unhealthy, as you conjecture. I buy Front magazine to read about games, bands and predominantly for the pictures of fit girls. I also buy Nuts and Zoo every now and then (i.e, when Lucy Pinder or Lucy Collet are featured). However, I feel no compulsion to treat women as objects. On the contrary, I am completely for the emancipation and equal treatment of women and actively try to behave as a gentleman when I am around them. How is this the unhealthy attitude to women/relationships which you describe as a direct consequence of consuming pornographic material?


OT: The policy is just an attempt to get the hardline right-wing vote back from the likes of more extreme parties.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Ferocious Banger @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 16:53)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 01:14)
QUOTE (Tchuck @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:20)

Except he's got a point.

Porn has ALWAYS been easily accessible. Even in the days of the magazines, if you really wanted to, you could easily find a way to get what you needed. When were you born, in the 1910s? Hell, porn has been around for centuries.

Now, can you substantiate your argument that porn is damaging to a young lad's mind? I watched a lot of porn growing up, starting age 12 or so, as did the majority of my school friends, and we all turned out ok. As long as they aren't watching anything illegal, they should be free to do whatever the hell they want.

Also, the majority of the internet is composed of porn. Good luck trying to block that!

mercie_blink.gif Honestly is this forum full of twonks or something? monocle.gif

So, please enlighten me, how has Porn ALWAYS been easily accessible, before the internet? Clue's in the username as to when I was born by the way.

I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to, but I'm pretty damn sure if a guy see's a lot of porno, his view of women and sexual relationships is damaged. I've no idea if research supports that, or not.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:11 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:57)
People who can't perhaps they might seek the real thing, take a girl out, get to know her and fall in love, then do what comes naturally wink.gif

Who in their right mind can consider pornography a good thing, taking into consideration how it's increasingly more degrading to women!?

Desperate virgins, perverts and twonks who think they know it all?

So what does that make you? You are also coming off as someone who thinks they are a know it all. When in reality, you yourself are a f*cking twonk. A twonk that believe they are better than everyone else, and a moral crusader at that.

And porn being increasingly more degrading to women? Don't make me laugh. Porn hasn't changed at all since it's creation. Everyone has a fetish of some sort. From the baseball bat example you gave, to a man that likes have is balls placed in a vice grip when having sex. The only thing that has changed, is the ability to have people share their interests in these weird fetishes. And remember, the women aren't forced into porn, they made the decision themselves to get into it.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 20:57)
QUOTE (The General @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 20:46)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 15:29)
Moral Crusader, I'd prefer to consider myself a speaker of the truth.

No, you definitely are a moral crusader. Since you are trying to make your morals like they are the truth, when in reality they are just your god damn f*cking opinion. You sound like the people who were for prohibition, something that didn't work at all and made things worst.

So what we can find ways around the porn block, what about the people who can't? Shouldn't they be able to discover on their own if they like porn or not? You are trying to force your views on people. And with that, you are a f*cking moral crusader, not a speaker of truth.

People who can't perhaps they might seek the real thing, take a girl out, get to know her and fall in love, then do what comes naturally wink.gif

Who in their right mind can consider pornography a good thing, taking into consideration how it's increasingly more degrading to women!?

Desperate virgins, perverts and twonks who think they know it all?

I do not presume to "know it all". What I present in my previous post is my opinion, and if you can present compelling empirical evidence to the contrary I will gladly listen. I concede that some pornographic material is abusive to, or degrades, women, and such material should not be produced, nor would I watch it, but to suggest that ALL pornography is in this category is absurd.


Please see my previous post for my argument.


EDIT: The General makes some good points here.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:15 PM

QUOTE (elanman @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:09)
[QUOTE=ajbns87,Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 20:29] [QUOTE=Max.,Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:52] [QUOTE=ajbns87,Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 19:44] I've not researched this topic at depth, and have no plans to, [/QUOTE]


If you desperate wankers love porn so much, you know a ban... it's never go to stop your need for it, you'll find ways I'm sure. [/QUOTE]
But how far do you want to go with this? Should magazines like Front or Nuts be banned? Or Page 3 of the Sun?


You're denouncing a large portion of the western male population, many of whom are in healthy relationships but just so happen to consume legal pornography in one way or another.


Yes, there exists pornographic material which depicts the abuse of women and covertly supports their degradation. Do I find this material offensive and abhorrent? Yes. Would I consume such material? No. Should such material exist? Ideally, no. Would I watch the playful escapades of two fit 20 year old Swedish girls as they explore their sapphic desires, or look at Lucy Collet's heavenly tits? Yes, and I've no reason to believe that doing so constitutes "unhealthy" or "desperate" behavior.

You seem to think that if a lad watches porn, then he's into weird fetish sh*t and that he is doomed to a life of perversion, but in reality those who watch such material are in a very small minority. I fail to see how the conventional pornography, which portrays women as equals, can be seen as viciously unhealthy, as you conjecture. I buy Front magazine to read about games, bands and predominantly for the pictures of fit girls. I also buy Nuts and Zoo every now and then (i.e, when Lucy Pinder or Lucy Collet are featured). However, I feel no compulsion to treat women as objects. On the contrary, I am completely for the emancipation and equal treatment of women and actively try to behave as a gentleman when I am around them. How is this the unhealthy attitude to women/relationships which you describe as a direct consequence of consuming pornographic material?


OT: The policy is just an attempt to get the hardline right-wing vote back from the likes of more extreme parties.

Thankyou atleast someone has some sense.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:25 PM Edited by elanman, 23 July 2013 - 09:31 PM.

I'm glad to see that you understand the points which I'm making, but really I'm on the General's side of the argument. I've also edited a previous post so the quote isn't f*cked.



If this policy were to be passed, it would just serve to absolve parents of responsibility. Boys under the age of 12 probably wouldn't be interested in porn anyway as they've yet to come to appreciate the ineffable charms of women. Kids should know how to use computers, certainly, but as a parent you should monitor your kids as they use the computer until they're about 11 or so. After this point, if you're concerned about pornography, just install a filter. With that said, a boy of 12 or above should be afforded unrestricted access--the parents should have imbued the boy with enough sense not to look for harmful stuff by this point. This policy would serve only to annoy the majority for the sake of parents who claim to care about their children's innocence but won't install a filter or trust the values with which they've brought up their child (hopefully).

With that said, I think that pornography is suitable for a boy of 12. Look at it this way, they've just found out that their dick is not just for pissing and are horny as hell, their bodies are basically telling them to have sex, but sex at this age is horribly ill-advised. If they can find some relief in a magazine or internet video, then that can only be a good thing.



I've not mentioned girls here as I can't see many girls looking to consume pornography. However, young girls are at a much greater risk from sexual predators online in video-enabled chatrooms. As such, the resources which Cameron would use for the magic technology which would somehow block ALL pornography by default (even though one's definition of pornography is subjective) really should be used to help catch the predators which form the real risk to a child's innocence.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:35 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:29)
You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:52 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:35)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:29)
You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Any evidence to support the claim it does no harm, then?

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:54 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:52)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:35)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:29)
You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Any evidence to support the claim it does no harm, then?

Well I like to think that I, and other members here serve as evidence. In addition to the many readers of Nuts and Zoo, and visitors of Redtube (for example) who lead happy, healthy lives despite consumption of pornography in some form or another.


You have asserted the currently unsubstantiated claim. I'm afraid that, as such, the onus is on you to provide compelling evidence to support it.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:58 PM Edited by SomeManForGTA, 23 July 2013 - 10:03 PM.

Seriously some people honestly think porn damages peoples development?

I haven't got an official survey for you. But here's something I do know. Almost all of the males who I went to high-school with admit jerking off to porn since the age of 12-14. And they're all decent young adults at this stage.

Porn isn't bad either, that's just silly. Again I haven't got official statistics for you, but I'd estimate 75%+ of males over the age of 15 regularly jerk off to porn in the UK and the USA.

Sex is natural. If you want to have sex, have sex. If you want to film yourself having sex, do it. If you want to watch sex other people have filmed, than watch it. If you don't want to then don't. But don't come on here and tell me it's bad. Mainstream porno mags have been around since the fifties and I'm pretty sure I read something a while back about how back in medieval times consenting adults gathered for shows which was basically porn in a theater.

It natural, they do it in private, it's not like they're flapping their dick in your face. Why does it bother people? I understand the point is to block porn from under 18s but I don't see the point in that. As long as they do it in private it doesn't affect you, and anyone regardless of age should have the freedom to watch something to release natural sexual feelings. Whether it's WWE divas matches, lesbians making out or full on hardcore sh*t, it doesn't matter.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:00 PM

I think it's utterly laughable, and do so hope that MPs decide to trounce this thing in the Commons. I'm sorry, are parents now unable to control their childrens' viewing habits? Whatever happened to having just one computer in the house, and an absence of other internet capable devices? Or do parents these days like to pour Smartphones and Notebooks on their children without a care in the world?

Parents should be the ones doing the monitoring - not the Government. Why the hell is it an opt-out policy anyway? It should be opt in. Lazy parent with no knowledge about computing, or too lazy to either monitor or talk to their kids about internet? Call up the ISP to get the filter on. Job done. Just leave everyone else out of this, and for heavens' sake, stop caving into the demands of small interest groups who start seething in anger at the mere sight of a nipple.

tl;dr - Cameron back down, let me enjoy my hand shandies in peace

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Algonquin Bridge @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 22:00)
I think it's utterly laughable

Sums it up really smile.gif

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:10 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 18:52)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:35)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:29)
You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Any evidence to support the claim it does no harm, then?

Hey Aj! I'm a normal person, right?

I think that might be enough to answer you. smile.gif

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:12 PM Edited by Valenta, 23 July 2013 - 10:17 PM.

QUOTE (Danz. @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 22:10)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 18:52)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:35)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:29)
You can challenge my opinions all day, fact is porn is bad.

Actually, it isn't. There's no empirical evidence to suggest that consumption of pornography as a general thing does any measurable harm. So please don't make claims about the factuality of your opinions you can't hope to substantiate. It isn't clever.

Any evidence to support the claim it does no harm, then?

Hey Aj! I'm a normal person, right?

I think that might answer you.

So am I. I think we're proof enough that porn doesn't do irreversible damage.




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