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Posted 26 September 2014 - 06:11 PM Edited by Doc Rikowski, 26 September 2014 - 06:13 PM.

Nobody is hiding behind lack of arguments. I think you're a presumptuous and ignoramus debater. Your points are purely based off of uneducated opinions and views that, to me, lack any actual thought on the matter at hand. Why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that not every pedophile can help being attracted to children, that some hate themselves because of it and genuinely don't want to be pedophiles?

Newsflash: not every pedophile watches child porn. "Is there any pedophile that at the least doesn't engage in watching kid porn? I doubt it." That bold statement is ridiculous. It makes me want to punch you in the face. It's like saying that every gay man is going to engage in watching gay porn. It simply isn't true. It's drivel and you're fool for saying it.

People like you need to wake up and stop generalizing. Not every pedophile is an uncontrollable, sex crazy deviant who wants to rape children. Not every pedophile watches child porn. Most pedophiles hate who they are and want nothing to do with their attractions.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Are you just immature?
 

 

So, all you are able to do is to reply with insults rather than with any provable argument? 

You take it to a personal level cause you have no idea on how to reply to what I said.

 

I do accept that pedophiles can't "control" their attraction. I never said the opposite.

I said they should work on self-control and seek treatment for their condition if that is what they want cause hating themselves ain't gonna help them nor solve their issue.

 

And yes, I doubt the existence of pedophiles that do not try at least to fulfill their attraction on a purely voyeuristic and imaginative level (it hasn't to be porn, it can be their own imagination).

Prove me wrong if you are so convinced of the opposite cause so far you have only being replying hysterically and without making any reasonable point.

 

@RedDagger: it isn't? Then what it is? Pedophilia is right now a huge problem for society and for the victims of it. Thousands of children are abused and raped every day to produce porn for thousands of adult viewers that if given the chance would not mind to pass from theory to practice. Pedophiles sex tourists travel to the poorest countries simply to abuse and rape poor children. Children are abused and raped even in what we define as rich countries. The human trafficking and the human organs markets go hand in hand with the pedophile one.

I think we have a big issue here. If it's not mental then it has to do with a perverted sex behavior that is affecting millions of victims.

 

I'm no bigot. Sex is a completely free zone. For me people can do whatever they want as long as it is done among consenting adults.

But children MUST be kept out of this barbarity. Cause pedophilia is a barbarity, a crime against humanity and the dirtiest stain in our society.

If treatment is not the solution then what? They'll force society to implement chemical castration and prison for all these people.


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 11:17 AM

I don't think we're on the same level here, so I'll just explain what a paedophile is - my post should make more sense with this.

 

A paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to minors. Generally, the specific definition is only attraction to those 11 years old and under, from those who are above the age of 16. 

 

Some have a more precise definition, where only those with this attraction being a paraphilia counted; DSM-5, the latest 'manual' for mental disorders (although widely criticised) only counts those where the attraction is causing issues for the person - basically what I said in my post. Because otherwise, it wouldn't be a disorder, since a disorder needs the condition to have a negative effect. 

 

But for all intents and purposes, a paedophile is simply someone who is attracted to those under the age of 11. They don't have to abuse anyone, they don't have to look at child porn, there doesn't have to be any victim. They just have to have the attraction. What you're describing shouldn't be put under the umbrella of applying to all paedophiles. 


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#183

Posted 27 September 2014 - 01:31 PM

I don't think we're on the same level here, so I'll just explain what a paedophile is - my post should make more sense with this.

 

A paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to minors. Generally, the specific definition is only attraction to those 11 years old and under, from those who are above the age of 16. 

 

Some have a more precise definition, where only those with this attraction being a paraphilia counted; DSM-5, the latest 'manual' for mental disorders (although widely criticised) only counts those where the attraction is causing issues for the person - basically what I said in my post. Because otherwise, it wouldn't be a disorder, since a disorder needs the condition to have a negative effect. 

 

But for all intents and purposes, a paedophile is simply someone who is attracted to those under the age of 11. They don't have to abuse anyone, they don't have to look at child porn, there doesn't have to be any victim. They just have to have the attraction. What you're describing shouldn't be put under the umbrella of applying to all paedophiles. 

 

It makes sense theoretically and it is a correct definition indeed but I doubt that the number of pedophiles that refrain from doing what you mentioned in your last phrase it is even significant.

And I doubt that this "non active" state of pedophilia is a permanent condition rather than a temporary one between "active" ones.

Still, if a person is sexually attracted to children, he/she should seek psychological treatment to prevent falling into pedophile "activity".


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Posted 27 September 2014 - 03:53 PM

 

Nobody is hiding behind lack of arguments. I think you're a presumptuous and ignoramus debater. Your points are purely based off of uneducated opinions and views that, to me, lack any actual thought on the matter at hand. Why is it so hard for you to accept the fact that not every pedophile can help being attracted to children, that some hate themselves because of it and genuinely don't want to be pedophiles?

Newsflash: not every pedophile watches child porn. "Is there any pedophile that at the least doesn't engage in watching kid porn? I doubt it." That bold statement is ridiculous. It makes me want to punch you in the face. It's like saying that every gay man is going to engage in watching gay porn. It simply isn't true. It's drivel and you're fool for saying it.

People like you need to wake up and stop generalizing. Not every pedophile is an uncontrollable, sex crazy deviant who wants to rape children. Not every pedophile watches child porn. Most pedophiles hate who they are and want nothing to do with their attractions.

Why is that so hard for you to understand? Are you just immature?
 

 

So, all you are able to do is to reply with insults rather than with any provable argument? 

You take it to a personal level cause you have no idea on how to reply to what I said.

 

I do accept that pedophiles can't "control" their attraction. I never said the opposite.

I said they should work on self-control and seek treatment for their condition if that is what they want cause hating themselves ain't gonna help them nor solve their issue.

 

And yes, I doubt the existence of pedophiles that do not try at least to fulfill their attraction on a purely voyeuristic and imaginative level (it hasn't to be porn, it can be their own imagination).

Prove me wrong if you are so convinced of the opposite cause so far you have only being replying hysterically and without making any reasonable point.

You're right, I don't know how to reply to what you said because clearly nothing will change your views on the matter. You should have made the last part clear in your previous post, then I would've understood what you were trying to say. Of course pedophiles fulfill their attraction on an imaginative level. Who doesn't for any attraction that they have? It's only natural to do so.


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#185

Posted 27 September 2014 - 07:49 PM

Except pedophilia isn't just another harmless "attraction". It can easily develop into a criminal action.


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Posted 28 September 2014 - 02:08 PM

Except pedophilia isn't just another harmless "attraction". It can easily develop into a criminal action.

Once again, for the 10th time, not every pedophile acts on his or her attraction. Please get that through your thick skull, that not every pedophile is a sex hungry monster who wants to turn their attraction into a criminal action.


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Posted 29 September 2014 - 07:31 PM

you guys are getting nowhere with this back and forth over the symantics of your "attraction versus action" argument.

 

I'm going to have to agree with Doc Rikowski on this one.

you guys are talking about "active" versus "non active" pedophilia which is ridiculous because psychological and psychiatric literature does not make or care about this distinction.

 

pedophilia represents an unhealthy, warped, and twisted idea of human sexuality.

if you want to have sex with children it's just as unhealthy to think about it as it is to go out and do it. once you're thinking about it or jerking off to it, you've already crossed the line in a clinical sense. you are reinforcing unhealthy, unrealistic, and dangerous connections in your mind and in your psyche.

 

it's extremely rare for someone to go through life feeling very strongly about something and never acting on it.

the criminal research on this issue is pretty clear; if you're already playing out pedophile fantasies in your mind then the odds are much greater than 50% that you'll eventually try it.

 

the point is that pedophilia must be addressed in society the same way across the board.

we need better mental illness awareness in this world. if you knew somebody was so f*cked in the head that they were fantasizing about shooting up their school, you'd want to intervene during the fantasy stage wouldn't you?? you wouldn't wait until after they killed 20 innocent kids.

 

if you can know that someone has pedophile fantasies, wouldn't you want to intervene prior to it becoming reality??

you don't just sit there and say "ok, at least he's got a healthy imagination..." :sigh:

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Posted 07 October 2014 - 08:04 PM

All sexual orientations, as well as all other life choices you make are decided by factors in your brain. Choosing to have sex with children is inherently as 'deranged' as having sex with people of the same or opposite sex. But that doesn't make it right or natural. Having a desire in your brain to murder and rape the corpses of 20 people is not completely shrugged off just because your brain made you do it. Your actions aren't excused by the way you are.

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Posted 11 October 2014 - 02:08 PM Edited by AiraCobra, 11 October 2014 - 02:09 PM.

I read this article on the NYTimes the other day called "Pedophillia: A Disorder, Not a Crime"

 

Here is the article in it's entirety

 

CAMDEN, N.J. — THINK back to your first childhood crush. Maybe it was a classmate or a friend next door. Most likely, through school and into adulthood, your affections continued to focus on others in your approximate age group. But imagine if they did not.

 

By some estimates, 1 percent of the male population continues, long after puberty, to find themselves attracted to prepubescent children. These people are living with pedophilia, a sexual attraction to prepubescents that often constitutes a mental illness. Unfortunately, our laws are failing them and, consequently, ignoring opportunities to prevent child abuse.

 

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders defines pedophilia as an intense and recurrent sexual interest in prepubescent children, and a disorder if it causes a person “marked distress or interpersonal difficulty” or if the person acts on his interests. Yet our laws ignore pedophilia until after the commission of a sexual offense, emphasizing punishment, not prevention.

 

Part of this failure stems from the misconception that pedophilia is the same as child molestation. One can live with pedophilia and not act on it. Sites like Virtuous Pedophiles provide support for pedophiles who do not molest children and believe that sex with children is wrong. It is not that these individuals are “inactive” or “nonpracticing” pedophiles, but rather that pedophilia is a status and not an act. In fact, research shows, about half of all child molesters are not sexually attracted to their victims.

 

A second misconception is that pedophilia is a choice. Recent research, while often limited to sex offenders — because of the stigma of pedophilia — suggests that the disorder may have neurological origins. Pedophilia could result from a failure in the brain to identify which environmental stimuli should provoke a sexual response. M.R.I.s of sex offenders with pedophilia show fewer of the neural pathways known as white matter in their brains. Men with pedophilia are three times more likely to be left-handed or ambidextrous, a finding that strongly suggests a neurological cause. Some findings also suggest that disturbances in neurodevelopment in utero or early childhood increase the risk of pedophilia. Studies have also shown that men with pedophilia have, on average, lower scores on tests of visual-spatial ability and verbal memory.

 

The Virtuous Pedophiles website is full of testimonials of people who vow never to touch a child and yet live in terror. They must hide their disorder from everyone they know — or risk losing educational and job opportunities, and face the prospect of harassment and even violence. Many feel isolated; some contemplate suicide. The psychologist Jesse Bering, author of “Perv: The Sexual Deviant in All of Us,” writes that people with pedophilia “aren’t living their lives in the closet; they’re eternally hunkered down in a panic room.”

 

While treatment cannot eliminate a pedophile’s sexual interests, a combination of cognitive-behavioral therapy and medication can help him to manage urges and avoid committing crimes.

 

But the reason we don’t know enough about effective treatment is because research has usually been limited to those who have committed crimes.

Our current law is inconsistent and irrational. For example, federal law and 20 states allow courts to issue a civil order committing a sex offender, particularly one with a diagnosis of pedophilia, to a mental health facility immediately after the completion of his sentence — under standards that are much more lax than for ordinary “civil commitment” for people with mental illness. And yet, when it comes to public policies that might help people with pedophilia to come forward and seek treatment before they offend, the law omits pedophilia from protection.

 

The Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990 and Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 prohibit discrimination against otherwise qualified individuals with mental disabilities, in areas such as employment, education and medical care. Congress, however, explicitly excluded pedophilia from protection under these two crucial laws.

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It’s time to revisit these categorical exclusions. Without legal protection, a pedophile cannot risk seeking treatment or disclosing his status to anyone for support. He could lose his job, and future job prospects, if he is seen at a group-therapy session, asks for a reasonable accommodation to take medication or see a psychiatrist, or requests a limit in his interaction with children. Isolating individuals from appropriate employment and treatment only increases their risk of committing a crime.

 

There’s no question that the extension of civil rights protections to people with pedophilia must be weighed against the health and safety needs of others, especially kids. It stands to reason that a pedophile should not be hired as a grade-school teacher. But both the A.D.A. and the Rehabilitation Act contain exemptions for people who are “not otherwise qualified” for a job or who pose “a direct threat to the health and safety of others” that can’t be eliminated by a reasonable accommodation. (This is why employers don’t have to hire blind bus drivers or mentally unstable security guards.)

 

The direct-threat analysis rejects the idea that employers can rely on generalizations; they must assess the specific case and rely on evidence, not presuppositions. Those who worry that employers would be compelled to hire dangerous pedophiles should look to H.I.V. case law, where for years courts were highly conservative, erring on the side of finding a direct threat, even into the late 1990s, when medical authorities were in agreement that people with H.I.V. could work safely in, for example, food services.

 

Removing the pedophilia exclusion would not undermine criminal justice or its role in responding to child abuse. It would not make it easier, for example, for someone accused of child molestation to plead not guilty by reason of insanity.

 

A pedophile should be held responsible for his conduct — but not for the underlying attraction. Arguing for the rights of scorned and misunderstood groups is never popular, particularly when they are associated with real harm. But the fact that pedophilia is so despised is precisely why our responses to it, in criminal justice and mental health, have been so inconsistent and counterproductive. Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm.

 

Margo Kaplan is an assistant professor at Rutgers School of Law, Camden.

 

http://www.nytimes.c...crime.html?_r=0

 

There is also a documentry on Netflix right now called Are All Men Pedophiles if you have Netflix i recommended you watch that, It'll give you some insight


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Posted 13 October 2014 - 05:51 PM

All sexual orientations, as well as all other life choices you make are decided by factors in your brain. Choosing to have sex with children is inherently as 'deranged' as having sex with people of the same or opposite sex. But that doesn't make it right or natural. Having a desire in your brain to murder and rape the corpses of 20 people is not completely shrugged off just because your brain made you do it. Your actions aren't excused by the way you are.

Excellent points. I thought that was just plain common sense.

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Posted 14 October 2014 - 10:22 PM Edited by jayjay35, 14 October 2014 - 10:24 PM.

No way it should be defended, it's a pedophilia, not pedosexuality, it's not natural nor right, it's a mental illness. No child wants to have sex with creepy mens, they don't even know what it is. One of my friends was victim of child abuse long ago and she became really weird, pedos ruin lives, and I think where I live justice isn't punishing them as they should, I think these a**holes should be punished really severly.

Now don't go hating on me because I have an extreme opinion. Y'all can think what you want


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Posted 12 November 2014 - 03:25 PM Edited by Sting4S, 12 November 2014 - 03:26 PM.

I just found this: http://www.reddit.co...laptop_serious/

A lot of the users there are more open minded to this subject. I don't know why you all are so closed minded and quick to say that pedophilia is a mental illness. Whilst it is gross and socially unacceptable, it is NOT a mental illness and to be honest you shouldn't be chastised for it unless you go too far (child porn, taking photos/pictures of kids, etc). Nobody would choose to be sexually attracted to kids, nobody would choose something so socially unacceptable. And not all pedophiles have mental illnesses and pedophilia is a not a mental illness itself. Period. I think you guys just can't accept that because the fact that anybody over 18 would be attracted to kids still boggles your minds. You're in denial.

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 05:40 PM

A lot of users there are idiots.

It's not about being open minded.

It's about knowing the difference between right and wrong.

It doesn't even matter if it can be classified as a mental illness.

Pedophilia being morally and implicitly wrong is the only classification you need as a start.

All the rest must come from such obvious starting point.

And good luck in finding a pedophile that doesn't abuse children in any way...


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Posted 12 November 2014 - 08:50 PM

A lot of users there are idiots.

It's not about being open minded.

It's about knowing the difference between right and wrong.

It doesn't even matter if it can be classified as a mental illness.

Pedophilia being morally and implicitly wrong is the only classification you need as a start.

All the rest must come from such obvious starting point.

And good luck in finding a pedophile that doesn't abuse children in any way...

 

I agree that pedophilia is wrong even if it isn't acted upon, but the point that is being made is that it's wrong to punish someone equally for feelings, rather than acts of pedophilia. There is a huge difference between a guy who regularly rapes kids and a guy who has only has those thoughts but never does it. 

 

And your last sentence is pure speculation. Granted, the idea that many of them exist is also speculation. But I assume that by saying "abuse children in any way", you mean to include people who look at child porn. Sure, I could believe that the vast majority of pedophiles (at least in the West) look at child porn. But it's also not a stretch of the imagination to think that some of them do have the self-control not to do that. There's a huge social stigma attached to pedohilia which probably affects the way pedophiles think about it as well. I would imagine that many of them consider it wrong, but still do it, and hate themselves for it. By that logic, it would make sense that there are also some who consider it wrong and therefore don't do it. If by "good luck finding [them]", you mean that before they act on it it's difficult to know that they are pedophiles, that is a valid point. But it reinforces the idea that you can't punish people for having a mental illness, but only for acts that result from it.

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 08:52 PM

Nobody would choose to be sexually attracted to kids, nobody would choose something so socially unacceptable.

which is exactly why pedophilia is a mental illness.

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 11:13 PM

 

Nobody would choose to be sexually attracted to kids, nobody would choose something so socially unacceptable.

which is exactly why pedophilia is a mental illness.

 

And you point is? How is that exactly why pedophilia is a mental illness? If I said "No man would choose to be sexually attracted to men, nobody would choose something so socially unacceptable" then would that be exactly why homosexuality is a mental illness? I know that counter argument is overused but it kind of debunks your point.


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Posted 12 November 2014 - 11:27 PM Edited by El_Diablo, 12 November 2014 - 11:28 PM.

that's a terrible example which doesn't debunk anything.

homosexuality and pedophilia are a completely false equivalency.

 

we already know that being gay isn't a choice. when 2 gay adults engage in sex it's not exactly child molestation...

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Posted 12 November 2014 - 11:37 PM Edited by fefenc, 12 November 2014 - 11:41 PM.

WAT? Defend pedophilia? Are you crazy?

 

If an adult man is monkey enough to not being able to control itself, then the childreen must pay for his dumbness? A child isn't sexually active (I mean 0~12 years old childs). I live on Brazil and it's sad seeing 12-14 years old girls giving a blowjob to their lil' friends at school due to a brazilian plague called "Funk", then I can't argue on this situation when these girls does something like this:

 

Link to the teen BJ at the school news (There isn't any video on the link :)):

Spoiler

 

In these cases, those girls will deserve whatever happens with them for turning people arround on.

 

OP, whatever you're using, you should take easy, a man that's a pedophile should be burned alive and stabbed to the death like brazilian people do against those rapists.

 

BTW: Pedophilia should be fine when it's a Hot woman and a kid on his puberty or even before, I'll never forget my history teacher when I was 9.


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 10:23 AM

I don't get how one can say that pedophilia is not a problem/social harm "as long as they don't act on it"... you can debate semantics all day but pedophilia is pedophilia... it isn't acceptable by any definition of the term in our society and nor should it be. I agree with the notion of emphasizing prevention. I think we need to move to a point where it's acceptable for a guy to go and get help for having sexual thoughts about children.

But again.. It was said in in this thread that you shouldn't chastise a pedophile unless they go too far... Well to be honest what is too far? Downloading child porn, hanging out a playground watching kids? It isn't acceptabke regardless and needs to be addressed... If they can't be cured then they need to be removed from society.
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Posted 13 November 2014 - 03:11 PM

 

A lot of users there are idiots.

It's not about being open minded.

It's about knowing the difference between right and wrong.

It doesn't even matter if it can be classified as a mental illness.

Pedophilia being morally and implicitly wrong is the only classification you need as a start.

All the rest must come from such obvious starting point.

And good luck in finding a pedophile that doesn't abuse children in any way...

 

I agree that pedophilia is wrong even if it isn't acted upon, but the point that is being made is that it's wrong to punish someone equally for feelings, rather than acts of pedophilia. There is a huge difference between a guy who regularly rapes kids and a guy who has only has those thoughts but never does it. 

 

And your last sentence is pure speculation. Granted, the idea that many of them exist is also speculation. But I assume that by saying "abuse children in any way", you mean to include people who look at child porn. Sure, I could believe that the vast majority of pedophiles (at least in the West) look at child porn. But it's also not a stretch of the imagination to think that some of them do have the self-control not to do that. There's a huge social stigma attached to pedohilia which probably affects the way pedophiles think about it as well. I would imagine that many of them consider it wrong, but still do it, and hate themselves for it. By that logic, it would make sense that there are also some who consider it wrong and therefore don't do it. If by "good luck finding [them]", you mean that before they act on it it's difficult to know that they are pedophiles, that is a valid point. But it reinforces the idea that you can't punish people for having a mental illness, but only for acts that result from it.

 

 

I never mentioned punishment anyway I see your point and I sort of agree with it.

Something needs to be done to prevent people from going from fantasies to acts.

Problem is I doubt most pedophiles will look for help as long as they feel they did nothing wrong yet.

And a lot of what you would define as "regular people" or not "hardcore pedophiles" indulges in watching child porn until they are caught.

They may never act but they are already sustaining a criminal industry.

The problem is social but even though there's a stigma I hardly see any hard campaigning against it.

At least not where I live.


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 07:55 PM

 

 

A lot of users there are idiots.

It's not about being open minded.

It's about knowing the difference between right and wrong.

It doesn't even matter if it can be classified as a mental illness.

Pedophilia being morally and implicitly wrong is the only classification you need as a start.

All the rest must come from such obvious starting point.

And good luck in finding a pedophile that doesn't abuse children in any way...

 

I agree that pedophilia is wrong even if it isn't acted upon, but the point that is being made is that it's wrong to punish someone equally for feelings, rather than acts of pedophilia. There is a huge difference between a guy who regularly rapes kids and a guy who has only has those thoughts but never does it. 

 

And your last sentence is pure speculation. Granted, the idea that many of them exist is also speculation. But I assume that by saying "abuse children in any way", you mean to include people who look at child porn. Sure, I could believe that the vast majority of pedophiles (at least in the West) look at child porn. But it's also not a stretch of the imagination to think that some of them do have the self-control not to do that. There's a huge social stigma attached to pedohilia which probably affects the way pedophiles think about it as well. I would imagine that many of them consider it wrong, but still do it, and hate themselves for it. By that logic, it would make sense that there are also some who consider it wrong and therefore don't do it. If by "good luck finding [them]", you mean that before they act on it it's difficult to know that they are pedophiles, that is a valid point. But it reinforces the idea that you can't punish people for having a mental illness, but only for acts that result from it.

 

 

I never mentioned punishment anyway I see your point and I sort of agree with it.

Something needs to be done to prevent people from going from fantasies to acts.

Problem is I doubt most pedophiles will look for help as long as they feel they did nothing wrong yet.

And a lot of what you would define as "regular people" or not "hardcore pedophiles" indulges in watching child porn until they are caught.

They may never act but they are already sustaining a criminal industry.

The problem is social but even though there's a stigma I hardly see any hard campaigning against it.

At least not where I live.

 

 

Watching child porn to me is something that should definately be punished, because as you mentioned it sustains a criminal industry. But I think any attempts to help pedophiles who have not yet been caught doing something illegal should not be too forceful. I would treat it like any other mental disorder as long as no crime has been proven. Sure that means that some (or maybe even most) acts of pedophilia are not prevented because help isn't offered or is denied. But the alternative requires a totalitarian approach where everybody is treated with suspicion. Imagine that for some reason you are wrongly suspected of pedophilia, you would want to keep it silent and if treatment is forced upon you, everybody will probably know and it would ruin your life. So I think you need very strong evidence before taking that route, because even if the suspicion is proven wrong, with this kind of social stigma even a disproven suspicion would probably haunt you. Anyway, I have to apologize because I didn't realize you were talking about the thing on Reddit. I missed that post. I thought you meant to write "here" instead of "there".


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Posted 13 November 2014 - 10:10 PM

Yes, I totally meant "there" as on Reddit. :D

 

Anyway I agree. I'm all for treatment before anything criminal happens. But that, as you said, can't be forced and could only happen on a voluntary basis.

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 08:03 AM

I had this argument before with a friend of mine.
I argued that once same-sex marriage is allowed,
Other laws maybe passed that dampen charges against pedophiles,
And what happened?
In may 2012 ny passed a law allowing child porn ownership,
My friend was shocked he said I was making it up.
But they amended that in sept the same year making it illegal once again.
Now im not saying that homosexuality is akin to pedophilia,
I argued that those fringe and unlawful groups would say "we were born this way, we just want to be who are" and it kind of happened.
But that must have been THE single,
most awkward senate meeting in the history of the united states.

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 12:41 PM

I had this argument before with a friend of mine.
I argued that once same-sex marriage is allowed,
Other laws maybe passed that dampen charges against pedophiles,
And what happened?
In may 2012 ny passed a law allowing child porn ownership,
My friend was shocked he said I was making it up.
But they amended that in sept the same year making it illegal once again.
Now im not saying that homosexuality is akin to pedophilia,
I argued that those fringe and unlawful groups would say "we were born this way, we just want to be who are" and it kind of happened.
But that must have been THE single,
most awkward senate meeting in the history of the united states.

What the F*CK are you talking about? 

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Posted 16 November 2014 - 10:52 PM

This is a war and pedophiles sometimes are among the ones that should be in the front line fighting it.

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Posted 20 November 2014 - 08:16 PM


I had this argument before with a friend of mine.
I argued that once same-sex marriage is allowed,
Other laws maybe passed that dampen charges against pedophiles,
And what happened?
In may 2012 ny passed a law allowing child porn ownership,
My friend was shocked he said I was making it up.
But they amended that in sept the same year making it illegal once again.
Now im not saying that homosexuality is akin to pedophilia,
I argued that those fringe and unlawful groups would say "we were born this way, we just want to be who are" and it kind of happened.
But that must have been THE single,
most awkward senate meeting in the history of the united states.

What the F*CK are you talking about? 
Im talking about a time it was defended,
It shouldnt have gone that far,
Good thing they had an "what the f*ck did we just do" moment.
Maybe they just passed the law to have all these perverts move to the state of ny,
keep tabs on them and their trading ring,
Out law it again and see who leaves.

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What are you talking about? No law in NY says you can have child porn... even if they did pass it, child porn is a federal crime and is actually significantly investigated by federal agencies, HSI for example has been organizing task forces to stop child pornagraphy for a few years now.




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