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| And this is exactly why I said a military coup was not the right way to go about things. Fact of the matter is, Morsi had, and still has, the support of a very significant part of the population of Egypt and now the military have effectively placed Cairo under martial law. The Army seem free to do what they want at the moment and if that includes murdering civilians, then whose there to stop them? Certainly not the President they themselves installed that's for sure. |
Morsi barely had any support. The majority of his support comes from the Islamist camp, take that away and his camp dwindles to a few hundred thousands. His tenure as President was always met with skepticism by majority of the population and the Military & Intelligence establishments because of the Muslim Brotherhood ties to the "Caliphate" Ideology, the constant preaching of "jihad" in Syria, the opening of un-checked trade with Gaza (Arms), and the lack of attention for the Sinai peninsula "Militant" groups, his constant attempt to take over all institutions and place them under "Islamist" control, combine that with is attempts to gain absolute power, and it becomes a powder keg of turmoil.
Most Egyptians rather have had a "Military coup" than sit back and watch the country sink into a dust.
The events that transpired last night are unjustifiable by any means, and this not something Egyptians enjoy and certainly not the Military.
If he had hardly any support then how is it that he was elected into to power with 51.7% of the vote? The way I see it, Morsi supporters have every right to be protesting about his removal from power as he was legitimately elected and held the majority of the public support. His opponents, who instigated the coup, seemed to mainly consist of the youth and those in urban areas. This is not representative of the entire nation as one must consider the Islamist camp, as you so put it, the uneducated and the people who dwell in rural areas all of whom no doubt supported Morsi.
I don't wish to patronize you but the 'Islamist camp' has had a strong presence in Egyptian politics since the 1930's when the Muslim Brotherhood were formed in opposition to the occupying British forces. Since then, they have been used and abused by those seeking political power, most memorably by Nasser during the coup of 1956 (need to double check date). To simply cast aside a President whom represents an organisation which have deep roots in many Egyptian communities is not only insulting but down right inexcusable.
I'm glad that you are not excusing the actions of the Army and I hope we see an end to the bloodshed soon. Egypt is a nation with a wonderful culture and history and it is a shame to see it experiencing such turmoil.
Out of some 53 Million Eligible voters. Only 24 Million Participated in the run-off elections, where Morsi went up against former prime minster Ahmed Shafiq. Morsi gained about 13 million votes, a number disputed by many who say Morsi actually lost the election by some 400,000 votes but because of vote rigging and threats to set the country a flame by his supporters if he lost, the victory was given to him. You are correct the "Islamist" due have history in Egypt since the 1930s they actually teamed up with the Free officers of Gamal abdel Nassar & Anwar Sadat in the 1952 revolution against British occupation, but later had a falling out due to the Brotherhood instance of a "Islamic" state based strict interpretation of "Sharia law", and strong religious institutions. When they attempted to assassinate Gamal( a costly mistake), he ordered a harsh crackdown and the entire group( also a costly mistake) which led them underground and made them more militant in ideology.
The June 30th "Rebel" movement gained 22 million signatures of "No confidence" and demanded early "elections" he could have still been President had he accepted those demands. Many of Morsi mistakes could have been prevented had he just listened and not antagonized the population by simply ignoring them for over a year.
I'm not trying to defend Morsi for the actions undertaken during his Presidency, nor am I arguing that he should be in power at the moment. However, I am trying to argue that he still has a sizable amount of support from the Islamist community, as we have seen over the past week or so, and that the actions taken by the Army are politically are morally wrong.
As I have previously stated, the Muslim Brotherhood has played a significant role in Egyptian politics since the 30's, surviving more than its fair share of turmoil. It's fair to say that both the supporters and members of this organisation have somewhat suffered political persecution over the past 60/70 years. Morsi was the first Egyptian President backed fully by the Ikhwan. All those years of political struggle had finally appeared to have paid off and then, just like that, the Army remove him in a coup and replace him with their own candidate. Are you telling me that if you were a supporter of the Ikhwan, you wouldn't be really angry at this?
Now I'm not saying that Morsi was doing a good job at all and I think it was necessary to replace him, but, a coup was the wrong way to go. In my opinion, the fundamental problem in all of this was the significant involvement of the Army in the Egyptian political system (it was different for Mubarak because he was effectively a dictator and thus military intervention was necessary). The Army have removed a legitimately elected leader (the legitimacy of the election results are inconsequential as there is no solid proof) and installed their own candidate, who will no doubt tow the line that the Generals wish i.e. allowing military to enact marshal law. What's more, although the intervention with Mubarak is excusable, as I've already stated, to intervene a second time when the situation is completely different sets a precedent for the Army to oust any government it sees fit to remove.
As I've said in the second paragraph, Morsi's, and the Muslim Brotherhood's, supporters are bound to be angry at this and have thus taken too the streets in protest. Some of their behavior has been completely inexcusable and deplorable, as we've seen in the video posted above, but by no means justifies a military crackdown on the scale seen over the past week. The violence between the Army and protesters was not nearly this bad upon the removal of Morsi and so it will now appear to the Muslim Brotherhood that they are being victimized. This is not how you want a party with a history of extremist behavior to feel as it will only serve to deepen the divides in Egyptian society. What's more, it also implies that the Army will be more than willing to crack down on opposition supporters in the future, thus installing the fear of a military junta forming.
You're probably thinking "What do you propose should have happened instead then?". To tell you the truth, I don't know. We could sit here all day and argue about what other courses could have been taken and whether they would have been successful but it would be a worthless discussion. However, that does not mean that the course of action taken was the right one, but, it has been taken none the less. Now all we can do is watch the consequences of military intervention in a heated political climate.