|QUOTE (MWC @ Wednesday, Jul 3 2013, 22:43)|
|QUOTE (Stefche @ Wednesday, Jul 3 2013, 03:55)|
|QUOTE (MWC @ Wednesday, Jul 3 2013, 03:46)|
|QUOTE (Stefche @ Tuesday, Jul 2 2013, 18:03)|
| Great, hopefully Serbia will be next. |
hopefully Serbia will never be a part of the EU, after seeing what "good" it brought to our dear neighbours (Romania, Bulgaria)
It's brought a lot of good, what are you talking about?
Open trade is the exact thing Serbia needs; it's f*cking shameful how inefficient Tadic was at handling the privatisation of Serbian industries (Kostunica did a brilliant job at it, as did Djindjic), I mean, don't they still hold a majority share of JAT? They received tenders from both Greek and Austrian Airlines, yet turned them down for really dubious reasons (they weren't valued high enough, bla bla). It's a private tender process, you're not meant to try and maximise your gain, you're meant to try and find the most economically efficient private sector firm to take over, and I really don't see how f*cking Austrian Airways did not fit that bill. Nikolic seems more apt with economic matters (thanks primarily to Mladjan Dinkic), although he's been pre-occupied with negotiating with Pristina (another great achievement) to worry too much about deregulation and privatisation. Joining the EU will only speed that up and will actually involve Serbian industry more with Western Europe, facilitating more trade and incentivising Serbian industry to become as efficient as it can be. And you and I both know that Serbian industry and the Serbian economy has a lot of potential; do you want to see that wasted away while we keep on fidgeting across awkward trade and political barriers with Western Europe while sucking off the teet of Russia?
If by good you mean their debt and unemployment pretty much doubled since their ascension into the EU than i totally agree, not to mention all the young people who are emigrating in rows to the richer countries, it pretty much means the countries are doomed with no way out other than slavery to the rich countries of the EU.
The only thing open trade could bring to countries in development at this point, would be that the richer countries would import quality products to the newly accepted countries for cheap, while peddling their own low quality products for a higher price, which would only make the economies of the said countries break even, or even trade at a loss which again means that the poorer countries would become credit slaves of the richer countries, all the while the unemployment rates would rise, just like what is happening with Greece and Spain and much stronger countries than those newly accepted into the EU. If this is happening to stronger and richer countries, why do you think it will be different and not worse with Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania and others ?
The negative consequences you're talking about have nothing to do with free trade. It's common economic knowledge that free trade and open borders spur the wider creation of economic wealth for both parties, as it merely allows firms in both countries to buy and sell services across borders without being dragged down by tariff and quota costs. It just flat out doesn't contribute to this idea that opening up borders will send everyone in Serbia broke... Have you ever taken a class in economics?
The reason Greece, Spain, Italy, Romania, Bulgaria etc. are struggling economically are multifaceted and extend from two primary causes: (a) ramifications of the GFC, and the impact this had on financial markets. Combine this with exceeding government debt (which a lot of European countries possess) and their sovereign credit rating will take a hit, forcing up interest rates at which governments borrow, exacerbating the amount of repayments and thus precluding them from being able to provide government services at the levels they were providing beforehand, and driving them into austerity in an effort to keep themselves from going bankrupt. (B) Inefficient industries which were subsidised by INDIVIDUAL GOVERNMENTS and INDIVIDUAL GOVERNMENT MISTAKES further contributed to sluggish economic growth today, with the best example of this being Italy, where labour laws are frustratingly complex and filled with red tape, leading to a massive drop in productivity growth over the past decade (well, at least for as long as Berlusconi was in power) which has only amplified their level of unemployment and their sluggish economic growth.
The economic problems experienced by European countries are primarily the responsibility and fault of the individual countries, their parliaments and their own fiscal mismanagement. They are not symptoms of the European project itself; if anything, more effective
European cohesion (through a properly managed banking system, with common rules extending across the Eurozone) would provide more financial stability and confidence to financial institutions than the removal of the EU, seeing everyone return back to their old currencies (as idealistic and nice as that would be... Why don't we recreate Yugoslavia while we're being all nostalgic, ey?)
|About the sale of public sector i don't even wish to comment. You know that the corrupt government(s) only work for their own pocket and not for the country, the reason there are private tenders (and the reason that JAT and other firms still remain in the public sector) is because the companies who bid didn't offer enough payload to the politicians making decisions and not because the offers weren't good enough.|
That was my point. They're Balkan politicians, what can we expect?
I honestly think the people of Croatia made a bad mistake submitting to the EU slavery, but that is only my opinion and only time will tell. Besides by the time Serbia and other Balkan countries wanting to join the EU currently (10+ years of negotiations), judging by the current political wind in Europe, by the time negotiations are done EU won't even exist anymore.
Honestly, I disagree, as once European economies recover, this whole nonsense about the EU collapsing will largely end up as water under the bridge. It's still going to be there in 20 years, along with the euro.
Edited by Stefche, 03 July 2013 - 03:39 PM.