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Poll: Would you want a real NYC map instead of Liberty City? (204 member(s) have cast votes)

Would you want a real NYC map instead of Liberty City?

  1. Yes, I would want to have a real NYC map (176 votes [90.72%])

    Percentage of vote: 90.72%

  2. No, that sounds like a horrible idea! (18 votes [9.28%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.28%

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#31

Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:06 PM

QUOTE (Libertyking @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 20:03)
I'm close enough to go there by car.

Really wow I live in Texas lol.gif

Did you see the pic on my last post

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE (weidncol @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 16:06)
QUOTE (Libertyking @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 20:03)
I'm close enough to go there by car.

Really wow I live in Texas lol.gif

Did you see the pic on my last post

No I didn't so I edited my post.
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Yes, I'm close enough, I live in Gatineau, Quebec, beside Ottawa, 8 hours by car.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:10 PM Edited by weidncol, 01 July 2013 - 08:12 PM.

ON-TOPIC
Manhattan will be smaller than in GTA IV and will have a lot more skyscrapers to have that dense feel.

EDIT: So your saying that SPoP map did not fit in the size limit of Liberty City?

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:12 PM

I think you shouldn't do that. Make it somewhat longer North-South because otherwise, it will feel like GTA III's LC.

BTW, New York is not that dense. Less dense than IV's LC.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:15 PM Edited by weidncol, 01 July 2013 - 08:21 PM.

Is the size of everything else OK based of the image?

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I've always loved the Citigroup building inlove.gif
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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:18 PM Edited by Libertyking, 01 July 2013 - 08:25 PM.

Over the map's limits, obviously. Can't believe it's been 5 years and nobody created a program to expand GTA IV's limits.

Edit: You love the Citigroup? I always loved the 17 state street:

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:25 PM Edited by weidncol, 01 July 2013 - 08:28 PM.

QUOTE (Libertyking @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 20:18)
Over the map's limits, obviously. Can't believe it's been 5 years and nobody created a program to expand GTA IV's limits.

there has to be a workaround for it...

But most of all I love these inlove.gif
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#38

Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:34 PM

Anyway, we need a plan. We can't just start like that without knowing what we're doing.This is the kind of expansion that could be done :

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Yeah I always loved the twin towers... Miss them.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:36 PM Edited by weidncol, 01 July 2013 - 08:39 PM.

Bronx really doesn't need to be that big. Instead we can make Brooklyn and Queens bigger and make Roosevelt Island narrower and longer. Should we have Ellis island and Governors Island or only Liberty Island and Staten Island?

Since I care mostly about Manhattan, I think that should be completely redone.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:40 PM

Honestly, I don't really care about Staten Island. If you want to expand Brooklyn southwards and make the Narrow Bridge, it would be ok, but an isolated island is kinda useless. We could move Liberty Island south-west and make Ellis Island. It would be good to have Governors Island too. And there is no possible way to expand East side, we would need to flip the map 90 degrees.

Sorry, didn't see you edited your post. We should only make Manhattan for now.

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#41

Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:42 PM

QUOTE (Libertyking @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 20:40)
Honestly, I don't really care about Staten Island. If you want to expand Brooklyn southwards and make the Narrow Bridge, it would be ok, but an isolated island is kinda useless. We could move Liberty Island south-west and make Ellis Island. It would be good to have Governors Island too. And there is no possible way to expand East side, we would need to flip the map 90 degrees.

Sorry, didn't see you edited your post. We should only make Manhattan for now.

Agreed. Alright then that is the plan!

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:45 PM

Which one? Flip the map or only Manhattan?

I guess it's the second one. If it is, we should also make Manhattan, Liberty Island, Ellis Island and Roosevelt Island.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:47 PM Edited by weidncol, 01 July 2013 - 08:50 PM.

QUOTE (Libertyking @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 20:45)
Which one? Flip the map or only Manhattan?

I guess it's the second one. If it is, we should also make Manhattan, Liberty Island, Ellis Island and Roosevelt Island.

Well for now focus on Manhattan, Liberty Island, Ellis, Governors, and Roosevelt. Sooner or later though I want to continue expanding.

What is the point of Governors Island anyway

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:51 PM Edited by Libertyking, 01 July 2013 - 08:53 PM.

Will it have Inwood, Harlem, Morningside Heights and things like that?
And will there be bridges which goes to nothing, like in True Crime NY?

And to answer your question, If we make Governors Island, there will at least be something hiding the empty view from Lower Manhattan. If you don't care about this, then yes, it's useless.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 08:53 PM

Yes it will have the little neighborhood sections. And I actually want the bridges to serve a purpose. Remember, I want this to be as realistic as it can get.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:00 PM

QUOTE (Libertyking @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 20:51)
And to answer your question, If we make Governors Island, there will at least be something hiding the empty view from Lower Manhattan. If you don't care about this, then yes, it's useless.

do you care about the empty view?

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:01 PM Edited by Libertyking, 01 July 2013 - 09:07 PM.

Very rough plan I made in Sketchup:
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I am now making one with surrounding coastlines.

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And here is the one with surrounding coastlines.

No I don't care about empty view, but this kind of thing could fill it.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:08 PM

Are you doing (or gonna do) it at first glance or with a map as template? Also, is it intended to include the other NYC neighborhoods?

Edit, just seen the new pictures, I guess my question has been answered tounge.gif

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:13 PM

QUOTE (RoadRunner71 @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 21:08)
Are you doing (or gonna do) it at first glance or with a map as template? Also, is it intended to include the other NYC neighborhoods?

Edit, just seen the new pictures, I guess my question has been answered tounge.gif

I'm not sure how were going to make it. Whichever way makes it look good smile.gif Is that Randalls/Wards Island near Bronx you have there?

EDIT: I think its time to move this to mod showroom. After all it is WIP

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:14 PM Edited by Libertyking, 01 July 2013 - 09:18 PM.

QUOTE (weidncol @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 17:13)
QUOTE (RoadRunner71 @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 21:08)
Are you doing (or gonna do) it at first glance or with a map as template? Also, is it intended to include the other NYC neighborhoods?

Edit, just seen the new pictures, I guess my question has been answered tounge.gif

I'm not sure how were going to make it. Whichever way makes it look good smile.gif Is that Randalls/Wards Island near Bronx you have there?

Yes it is.

EDIT: A hour ago you asked me if Spop map fits in GTA IV map area. No it does not.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:20 PM

What template do you use on Google Sketchup?

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 09:23 PM Edited by Libertyking, 01 July 2013 - 10:59 PM.

What do you mean? I created it myself with the pencil tool.
BTW, I'm gonna get off my computer so I wont be able to answer you again but, will you remake the city again or you will keep some parts as it is?

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#53

Posted 02 July 2013 - 02:16 AM

QUOTE (Libertyking @ Monday, Jul 1 2013, 21:23)
What do you mean? I created it myself with the pencil tool.
BTW, I'm gonna get off my computer so I wont be able to answer you again but, will you remake the city again or you will keep some parts as it is?

Some parts as is, such as apartments etc.

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Posted 02 July 2013 - 04:51 PM Edited by Libertyking, 02 July 2013 - 10:30 PM.

I'm searching for a map of GTA IV's map mods bounds. I can't find one anywhere. Please, anyone!
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I don't think this mod will even be possible. We will need a lot of people in 3D models, textures and coding.
In 3D models we will need:
- Terrain,
- Buildings,
- Bridges,
- Ports,
- Interiors,
- Props,
- Street side details (Lights, benches, mailboxes etc.),
- LODs
- Vegetation,
Textures:
- All 3D models,
- Night lighting,
- Streets,
Coding:
- Missions removing,
- Map removing,
- Paths and LODs removing,
- Ped paths,
- Car paths,
- LODs,
- Import the map ingame,
- Collisions,
- Enlarge the map boundaries

It will take a lot of time (2-3 years), and that is without enough people.

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Posted 03 July 2013 - 06:42 PM

Tbh, you're thinking to big at the moment. You should modify the IV map, not replace it. You could first concentrate on Manhattan, for example. Make algonquin bigger, add battery park as example, bigger space between midtown and downtown. Something like that.

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#56

Posted 07 July 2013 - 01:22 AM

LibertyKing, I've decided to make it easier on everyone and only do Manhattan for now. That way we don't need to look for some mod to increase the map boundary limit etc...

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#57

Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:31 AM

We will need a team anyway. It's OK if we only do Manhattan, but we should at least make Liberty Island, maybe closer to Manhattan.

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#58

Posted 07 July 2013 - 04:32 AM

Oh ya... Completely forgot about the islands lol.gif

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#59

Posted 07 July 2013 - 05:26 PM

Hey, I'm currently searching for a map of GTA IV map limits. I searched everywhere for one and I didn't find nothing. Seriously, is there someone who could find me one?

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Posted 07 July 2013 - 05:38 PM

QUOTE (Libertyking @ Sunday, Jul 7 2013, 12:26)
Hey, I'm currently searching for a map of GTA IV map limits. I searched everywhere for one and I didn't find nothing. Seriously, is there someone who could find me one?

I may be wrong, but I think the map boundaries you see on the fold-out map count for the IV map boundaries. I could be wrong, though, but I remember something like that going down with my old mod.




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