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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:45 AM Edited by Zulu412, 12 August 2013 - 07:04 PM.

1st of all, No one is claiming there is or is not any other major cities
2nd, We are all aware that it has been stated that Los Santos is the only major city (Dec. Game Informer)
This is, rather, a topic for debate as to whether or not another city could possibly exist in this "largest map ever" from R*.
We know they've said one thing & done another, We know they can surprise the sh*t out of us.
& quite frankly I've yet to see on here a decent debate about why another city can/can't or should/shouldn't exist.
So let this thread be it.
Here's some points, be they good or bad, all open for discussion. Feel free to add to them.

Let's go:

A) Jimmy's forearm tattoo:
"edifica adversario tuo aureum pons ad receptum trans" = Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across
golden bridge = Golden Gate Bridge reference?

B) Trains, they need somewhere to go. Pointless to go in circles w/o major stops. Granted they'll probably stop at
small towns & what not, but realisticly they'd be hitting major cities also.

C) los puerta freeway sign:
there's been lots of debate about this one. It translates loosely to the door in spanish, as in San Diego is the door
to the US for many Mexicans. though puerta can also mean "the beginning of an undertaking" which also fits in with
the games theme.

D) large passenger planes - where else they fly to?
There is also a spot in Michael's trailer @ 1:06 that shows multiple airlines.
Perhaps traveling to different cities?

E) Leaked Vehicle List: it included the "snow plow". So possibly a resort town type area w/ snow?
e) used to be the dam, but obvously it's a take on the Mulholland Dam & Hollywood Reservoir

F) highway like road heading south:
Its as wide as the major highways shown but heads directly south...to where?
http://s22.postimg.o..._GRQy_Vl6_C.jpg
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G) RUETS:
At 25 sec in to Michaels trailer you can see a "tag" that says RUETS.
He is a graffiti artist from San Fran

H) @ 32 sec into Franklin's trailer on the graffitied wall is what looks like an SF, San Fierro?

I) the game is said to be built around heist. Minus a few huge thing in LA(LS) are we just going to be robbing bank after bank?
Maybe an art collector or other rich douche? Wouldn't it make sense to have a parody of one of the most profitable cities in the
country, Vegas? A casino would be the ultimate hiest & great climax to a game based on heist.

J) It's called GTA V, not GTA: Los Santos, so the possibility is out there since it's not named after a particular city. (& yea, IV was too, we know that, but still plausible)

K) This is supposed to be the largest map R* has done. So what, we get a decent sized city & then 8 times(or whatever) that in woods & water. even with enterable buildings & a ton of underwater, that still leaves a lot of room on the map for land & possible major cities (granted, smaller than LS)

L) the ocean/cargo ships: ships could just circle the map (kind of boring) what about drug runners, say from México (Tijuana))
A good heist would be infiltrating a shipment, be it on the water or at the border (Tijuana/san Diego)

M) this pic: the similarities in the arch & also the 619 on the liscense plate (619 being SD's area code)
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(courtesy of Chrill)

N)If the colorful spot in the lower center of this pic is a parody of salvation mountain...
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this is salvation mountain
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it's in Calipatria, California near the Salton Sea in Imperial county = which is right on the border of Mexico
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O) Bay City sign & sign behind Trevor: Also note that it appears to be a different city/town than in the pic above.
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(courtesy of deffpony)

P) Another airport. also note what appears to be large city like buildings on the left side of the pic, off in the distance.
They don't seem to be LS.
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Q) the building\s to the left of the cactus here: certainly not skyscrapers, but of a significant size
not as big as the ones in P) but could indicate a decent sized town
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R) Grapeseed based on Temecula, CA
Most logical city to parody for vineyards in SoCal
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S) Another speculative town, from another thread.
Courtesy of gta54me:

QUOTE
This screenshot Reminds me a lot of Batiquitos Lagoon in Carlsbad CA ( San Diego ).
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In real life, that Lagoon borders La Costa. Both La Costa and Carlsbad are nice areas with manicured trails to walk around the lagoon. Which it appears is included in the screenshot.

That lagoon is only several miles from R* SD btw.

I know we are not clear on what is the in mid and north east part of the map, but the more I think about it the more I believe it will mock the coast line from LA to San Diego.

Additionally, Oceanside ( Huge military town ), is directly next to Carlsbad.


now this is not an additional arguement for SD, rather for somewhere like Carlsbad.
South of LA in real life, but we know the map varies in that regard (alamo sea)
know as "The Village by the Sea" by locals - village, so we're not talkin city here.
But plenty of things could be parodied with this place:
Legoloand, La Costa Reslort, the 1st modern skate park, & R* SD...to name a few, as well as being located near a military base.)

T) Courtesy of One Poor Fool- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_Base
not necessarily a town, but it's more so it's own community/compound but could certainly be as big as the towns we've seen.
Also, note the shape of the blue buildings, kind of looks like the other side of the mountain from Paleto.
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**see the pic in (N) near the tail of the plane is similar looking structures
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"On the hillside above the base is a heavily camouflaged "sniper-style nest bunker" called Eagle that overlooks the entire property and the surrounding area.[2][21] It was reportedly used as a lookout post where security staff with telescopes noted the license plate numbers of vehicles that lingered too long near the compound"
-excerpt from th wiki article...structure at the top of the Mt. maybe




***SO, that's some things. On the even more ridiculous side, others have apparently tried to hammer the other city theory home.
For your viewing & reading pleasure I give you these:

I recently saw this, the worst damn sh*tty reasoning for other cities ever, not to mention horrible song & just
plain F'n dumbass video. If you want to lose a few minutes of your life you'll never get back, here's the link:
http://www.wintube.r...va4roojg/video/

Also for completely redunkulous hillarity there's this article:
http://gawdalmighty....e-ultimate-gta/
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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:49 AM

Good questions, I'd guess we'd have to wait until we find out the memory space of the game first before we can make concrete conclusions as to how much cities the game can hold. Then again the map mods on gtaIV make me optimistic, who knows maybe a fully fleshed out san andreas mod can be made.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:52 AM

Los Puerta as the second city, is the most legit speculative reasoning out there.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 05:56 AM

QUOTE (Ferocious Banger @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 05:52)
Los Puerta as the second city, is the most legit speculative reasoning out there.

fair enough, what's your reasoning?
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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:02 AM

Seems to me that they have already shown the second city in the shot with Franklin using binoculars at the harbor. That harbor is in real life Long Beach, not Los Angeles.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:04 AM

QUOTE (RedDragonsBOOM @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 00:02)
Seems to me that they have already shown the second city in the shot with Franklin using binoculars at the harbor. That harbor is in real life Long Beach, not Los Angeles.

Its still a part of Los Santos.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:08 AM

QUOTE (Fail_At_GTA @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 06:04)
QUOTE (RedDragonsBOOM @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 00:02)
Seems to me that they have already shown the second city in the shot with Franklin using binoculars at the harbor. That harbor is in real life Long Beach, not Los Angeles.

Its still a part of Los Santos.

Yeah I know that but what if they continue the city into Long Beach? Essentially stretching the one city out wider than just the city of Los Angeles aka Los Santos is. Couldnt it still be considered two cities in the game?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:09 AM

If you watch the first San Andreas trailer you will see only Los Santos and a plane flying over the Vinewood sign, which is pretty much exactly like the first V trailer. Even in the magazines and stuff, there was nothing about SF and LV.

The Bugstars logo looks exactly like the Welcome to Las Vegas logo...

Mount Chiliad is in San Fierro

The windmills resemble Altamont Pass, which is a place on the way from LA to northern Cali

Blah blah, you get the idea. That could count as "evidence" but I honestly and truly don't believe there is another city.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:39 AM

LOS SANTOS IS THE ONLY CITY CONFIRMED BY DAN HOUSER

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:40 AM

QUOTE (MMG @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 06:39)
LOS SANTOS IS THE ONLY CITY CONFIRMED BY DAN HOUSER

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:44 AM

QUOTE (Zulu412 @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 00:45)
A) Jimmy's forearm tattoo:
"edifica adversario tuo aureum pons ad receptum trans" = Build your opponent a golden bridge to retreat across
golden bridge = Golden Gate Bridge reference?

B) Trains, they need somewhere to go. Pointless to go in circles w/o major stops. Granted they'll probably stop at
small towns & what not, but realisticly they'd be hitting major cities also.

C) los puerta freeway sign:
there's been lots of debate about this one. It translates loosely to the door in spanish, as in San Diego is the door
to the US for many Mexicans. though puerta can also mean "the beginning of an undertaking" which also fits in with
the games theme.

D) large passenger planes - where else they fly to?
There is also a spot in Michael's trailer @ 1:06 that shows multiple airlines.
Perhaps traveling to different cities?

E) damn: maybe a mini take on the Hoover Damn which is closer to Las Vegas?
I know it's a huge stretch, but hey, why not?

F) highway like road heading south:
Its as wide as the major highways shown but heads directly south...to where?
http://s22.postimg.o..._GRQy_Vl6_C.jpg
user posted image

G) RUETS:
At 25 sec in to Michaels trailer you can see a "tag" that says RUETS.
He is a graffiti artist from San Fran

H) @ 32 sec into Franklin's trailer on the graffitied wall is what looks like an SF, San Fierro?

I) the game is said to be built around heist. Minus a few huge thing in LA(LS) are we just going to be robbing bank after bank?
Maybe an art collector or other rich douche? Wouldn't it make sense to have a parody of one of the most profitable cities in the
country, Vegas? A casino would be the ultimate hiest & great climax to a game based on heist.

J) It's called GTA V, not GTA: Los Santos, so the possibility is out there since it's not named after a particular city. (& yea, IV was too, we know that, but still plausible)

K) This is supposed to be the largest map R* has done. So what, we get a decent sized city & then 8 times(or whatever) that in woods & water. even with enterable buildings & a ton of underwater, that still leaves a lot of room on the map for land & possible major cities (granted, smaller than LS)

L) the ocean/cargo ships: ships could just circle the map (kind of boring) what about drug runners, say from México (Tijuana))
A good heist would be infiltrating a shipment, be it on the water or at the border (Tijuana/san Diego)

***SO, that's some things. On the even more ridiculous side, others have apparently tried to hammer the other city theory home. For your viewing & reading pleasure I give you these:

I recently saw this, the worst damn sh*tty reasoning for other cities ever, not to mention horrible song & just
plain F'n dumbass video. If you want to lose a few minutes of your life you'll never get back, here's the link:
http://www.wintube.r...va4roojg/video/

Also for completely redunkulous hillarity there's this article:
http://gawdalmighty....e-ultimate-gta/

A) Just a motto for a tattoo, nothing else

B) It will probably just stop at small towns in the countryside

C) Los Puerta Fwy = San Diego Fwy, yes it is a reference to San Diego, however it's just Rockstars extra attention to details

D) They circle the map, like in IV

E) There's many many dams located in or around LA

F) That looks to just be a road, it seems as wide as the others

G) Just a reference

H) Could be anything, probably gang symbolism

I) Your opinion

J) By that logic, even if they did include the other cities, it wouldn't be called GTA V

K) Big countryside

L) That's exactly what will happen, they will circle the map OR just sit still

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:49 AM

QUOTE (MMG @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 06:39)
LOS SANTOS IS THE ONLY CITY CONFIRMED BY DAN HOUSER

Do you mean 'Los Santos is the only city confirmed by Dan Houser', as in it's so far the only one he confirmed, or 'Los Santos is the only city; confirmed by Dan Houser'. The first leaves room for more possibilities. And I hope it's not the latter.

EDIT: I may or may not have used that semi-colon correctly.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:52 AM

QUOTE (gtafreak10 @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 06:09)


Mount Chiliad is in San Fierro


Yes, in the 3d era. We do not know if that is the case this time around.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 06:57 AM

For the airplane part, wasn't it confirmed that there was two airports. Los Santos airport and one in hick town?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:09 AM

Until the game is released and proves otherwise, I am still on the "2 cities train"

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:15 AM

haha. of course I knew some douches would jump in here.

to the all caps douche & the sir who thumbed up him (see what I did there) if ya read what this thread was meant to be about
then maybe you'd get it. but no, just write some giant words & put an end to any discussion.

to simon: screw eras, we know whats been said & you can throw eras out the window, especially when it comes to the map

@natethegayforlife, way to quote the whole thing. also, these aren't bullet points of facts or opinions of my own, just throwing stuff out there to discuss, but thanks for makin everyone scroll down further to see the next post. you sir are an impressive addition to the human race.

@GTAfreak10, you get it. that's the sort of stuff i'm lookin to see.
& thank you sir for your contribution.
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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:32 AM

Another piece of evidence could be when that R* representative (Benzies I think), commented after the May 2 previews "and we've managed to keep the entire game under wraps".

Maybe I'm reading too much into that statement, but with all the info we know already, what are they hiding for the whole game to be under wraps?

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:36 AM

QUOTE (dooshtoomun @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 00:49)
Do you mean 'Los Santos is the only city confirmed by Dan Houser', as in it's so far the only one he confirmed, or 'Los Santos is the only city; confirmed by Dan Houser'. The first leaves room for more possibilities. And I hope it's not the latter.

A GTAV with multiple cities would be a completely different game than the one Dan Houser described.

QUOTE (http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/11/17/gta-v-burning-questions-answered)
This world -- the range of height and between north and south and east and west -- is huge, and it's a real strength. It felt California. Oceans are there and tall hills are there. We wanted those in the game. For us, this kind of world, that was a big properly-realized L.A. and a huge slab of regionally appropriate countryside, felt like the most interesting match to do something new with. Doing other cities just didn't seem appealing. Doing small towns is very appealing. There's a bunch of small towns and villages and whatnot in there to discover and play around in. Doing other cities, though, felt like it was going to create problems we didn't need. It wasn't going to add to the experience. Of course you could do a game with a bunch of cities now that could be pretty interesting, but we didn't think that was going to be this game. This map is going to be spectacular to people when they start exploring and playing around with it.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:38 AM

id laugh & shed a tier * if R* does have em in ,but just keeping it as 1 of the best kept secrets in history of GTA .
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Posted 10 June 2013 - 07:44 AM

iv only had one airport.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:04 AM Edited by Trevor_Phillips, 10 June 2013 - 08:10 AM.

To be honest: it seems strange to me, that R* has already revealed whole Los Santos in their SE and CE edition blueprint map...

why did they not simply show a part of the country side on their blueprint, and kept the structure of LS under wraps??? ph34r.gif

If LS is really that important, they would have kept it secret...
there must be something else on the map, much much more important...
otherwise i don't understand it, why they have shown the city, and already taken away the suspense of "the first time unpacking GTAV and watching the map"

I honestly guess, there will be something else mindblowing to see on the map, after unpacking the game!!!
Not necessarily an other big city... but something really really special... believe me guys! wink.gif

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:44 AM

It needs some city area in the north to give a better city to countryside ratio and to have a proper destination for the large planes. They didn't show that part of the map during the previews and I think there's enough space up there for another city.

They said this is "the largest and the most ambitious game Rockstar has yet created". For that to be true, it has to be better than San Andreas was in its time. I don't see that happening with just one city and nowhere to fly planes to except small country airstrips. It has to beat this:

http://i.imgur.com/Q0H7S.jpg


Plus, as was already mentioned, why would they reveal as much of Los Santos as they did if that was the only city? There would be nothing left to anticipate.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:44 AM Edited by kb2084, 10 June 2013 - 08:48 AM.

it wouldn't make sense to put one huge city at the bottom and rest of the map is open country. its too much urban otherwise.

i do believe there is another city, or large town up north. r* probably been careful not to expose this at all. tight wraps.

also airports. no point having one big airport down south. and then small field/farm landing strips. to have one good airport down south there must be another airport up north.

Also, the map the OP posted has the city centralised, i reckon this needs to be more southern, otherwise there'll be too much sea. leaving more space for something up north.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:48 AM

"Hoover Damn", quite possibly the funniest thing I've read here. lolololol.

On topic, I do agree with all of your points and R* has a challenge with not making it look ridiculous...

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:51 AM

QUOTE (sqre @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 07:44)
iv only had one airport.

IV didn't have flyable planes though.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 08:57 AM

Quick mod of OP original map.... move the city down. and that gives half the map to something else. can't all be country. where i put the round circle is where i think there's another city/large town.

probability of there being something up there is quite high.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:01 AM

Once again the Damn is not the Hoover damn it's the Mulholland Dam @ the Hollywood Reservoir Lake which is in the Hollywood Hills.
https://maps.google....&hl=en&t=m&z=15
https://www.google.c...iw=1608&bih=797

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:11 AM

There will be two more cities.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:22 AM

QUOTE (ChatterBoxFM @ Monday, Jun 10 2013, 09:11)
There will be two more cities.

Now Im convinced.

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Posted 10 June 2013 - 09:30 AM

There is little evidence to prove or disprove a second city but all sign point at no.

My biggest gripe is how the countryside trains and roads will go nowhere. Sure a few small towns but still.

I kind of want a second but also kind of not. The problem gta always has had was that the city felt lonely, cut off. Adding countryside works to rectify that but the feeling will return if its jus LS country and a few small towns. Personally I think LS looks fooking tiny - I live in a town of under 100,000 people and were not a city and our town looks bigger than LS so far. Sure it might be a beta or inaccurate map; a ruse by rockstar, or it might not show everything. But from what we've seen, if LS is outnumbered by countryside I will be disappointed. Rdr has this problem; who ever went to the racetrack area after that one mission? Or ventured out to the eastern end of Mexico? There was just nothing there! Small towns are great and all but IMO it'll just feel like its going nowhere

However assigns second city would require more details and coding and missions, thus impeding the quality of LS. The story of sa is an example of this; it suffered as did graphics.

But to me LS seems small but at least we're going to get quality which so many games can not deliver

Unfortunately I see no signs suggesting another city at all. Maybe rockstar are being coy, I dunno but I wouldn't hold your breath

We'd all forget it when we play it anywya




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