|QUOTE (Miamivicecity @ Saturday, Jun 22 2013, 21:57)|
|The paranoia surrounding terrorism exploited in GTA IV is very much the modern post 911 NYC equivalent of the crack epidemic and riots of early 90s LA.|
Yes, I agree. But that's why I said they were just the surface problems of each respective city. GTA SA did a great job of exploring the underlying causes of the tumultuous and fragile society at the time by exploring the individual
stories of the corrupt cops and oppressed citizens. GTA IV touched on some aspects of it but didn't get too deep into it. But I honestly think that's for the best, considering the subject matter. I think IV's time setting wasn't the best thing to explore at the time because it was, and still is, a sensitive subject. So instead they had to rely on a fictious person and storyline that could have been shoehorned into any time or setting.
But I don't want to derail this thread talking about GTA IV...
|San Andreas though...you never know what's up, first CJ is a gangster then a business owner (while working for the triads) then a secret super agent and before going back to being an über gangster he turns into Danny Ocean while f***ing with the mafia.|
It's not impossible for a black male to work in any of those situations. For example Sammy Gravano
was one of the biggest and most powerful mobsters during the time, when he was released from jail he began working with the local youth gangs to help him get back on top. Gravano and the gang's 23-year-old leader started a major ecstasy trafficking organization, selling over 30,000 tablets and grossing $500,000 a week.
As for working with the government agent; We never find out if Toreno was supposed to be dealing drugs or not which I believe he wasn't. Which leads me to believe Toreno's story is based loosely on Oliver North
's illegal drug and gun trafficking which was the heart of the Iran Contra Affair
. He sold guns to Iran to fund the Contras
. The Contras in the Nicaraguan conflict were funded with drug money, of which the United States was aware. Manuel Noriega
was the drug kingpin, being funded by the CIA, that was funding most of this, and Oliver North was meeting with Manuel Noriega even though America indicted him on drug charges. An agent like Toerno [or Oliver North] would need somebody to steal weapons and distribute drugs, that's where street gangs come in. CJ being able to steal weapons made him the perfect candidate.
|CJ's character and personality never convinced me of this infinite ability to be whatever needs to be. He's easily the dumbest of all the protagonists and has a hypocritical holier than though morality. Reluctant on being a cold hearted hitman but being fine with killing for his friends/gang.|
He is very passive. He's not dumb either, he had to go up against some of the most powerful antagonists we have seen in the GTA series. He knows how to not "rock the boat", and that "you have to play the sucker to catch a sucker"
. It's like being a hussler or a poolshark. You can't show everything you've got right away or you won't have any defense stratagies "cultivate an air of unpredictability".
As for him not being cold hearted but still killing; He was motivated by two things, finding his mother's killer and to stop the drugs that was ruining society. When faced with such difficulties, along with fearing for his own life due to police oppression, the idea of what's wrong and right begin to change and those lines tend to blur.