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#31

Posted 25 November 2013 - 09:01 AM

I am a devout christian, and believe in Christ with all my heart.

 

Despite this, I think it is wrong to teach children religious ideas and dogmas.

 

You see, if we brainwash a kid into believing in Jesus, he will not be saved by this faith.

 

Because faith that is a result of a brainwash, is not real faith!

 

No, real faith is a result of persons own search and a personal relationship with God. It comes out of free will, and never out of brainwashing.

-out of brainwashing comes only false faith. Which leads unto damnation.

 

Yes, it's okay to tell kids about Jesus and prayer and so on, but it is wrong to force it unto them, like they do in most cathoic schools (for example).


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Posted 25 November 2013 - 04:25 PM

The problem is, at what point does telling become brainwashing? I'm not averse to the idea of teaching children about religion, but I would class some of the statements you've made about your own religious belief as to have crossed this line. Rhetoric around "saving" in particular I see as blackmail because the insinuation even from very general discussion is that one is harmed by not harbouring this belief.

I think that children are mature enough to learn about the structures and basic belief systems of all religions but should be guarded from the rhetoric and hyperbole around salvation and the implicit claims of spiritual and moral superiority that often accompany them until they are old enough to make their own informed choices.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 01:46 AM Edited by Ziggy455, 15 March 2014 - 01:47 AM.

The problem is, at what point does telling become brainwashing? I'm not averse to the idea of teaching children about religion, but I would class some of the statements you've made about your own religious belief as to have crossed this line. Rhetoric around "saving" in particular I see as blackmail because the insinuation even from very general discussion is that one is harmed by not harbouring this belief.

I think that children are mature enough to learn about the structures and basic belief systems of all religions but should be guarded from the rhetoric and hyperbole around salvation and the implicit claims of spiritual and moral superiority that often accompany them until they are old enough to make their own informed choices.

 

I agree. I believe that there's too many exaggerations and inter-development of children at such a young age where religion is sort of placed onto their shoulders and goes beyond the basic belief system. Like you say, the rhetoric and hyperbole around salvation and the spiritual/moral superiority always feels like it is hardcoded into the children at a young age. It is why religion seems quite abundant in people that have been brought up on it from a young age. 

 

I have a friend who is an extremely devout Christian, very textbook in terms of what you'd consider one to be. They go to church, they abide by laws coded by New and Old Testament. They're very into the entire thing. This friend, of course, was very much like this when he was younger but I guess not to such an extent that he is now. I believe that it's a development phase. Children should be open to religion, but they shouldn't be forced through the misguided, and somewhat deluded view I have seen of some religious people. (Not Christians as a whole, don't mistake me for a bigot here.)

 

In summary, I'm all for religion to be taught to children in schools, even Christianity, but maybe not to the extent that many would agree. We don't need there to be hyperbole and rhetoric forced through a child's belief. We should let them decide for themselves when the time is right. 


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Posted 12 May 2014 - 04:18 PM

I think children need to learn about religion is school and how batsh*t crazy it is. 


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:39 PM Edited by gtamann123, 13 May 2014 - 06:40 PM.

I think children need to learn about religion is school and how batsh*t crazy it is. 

I believe this as well. A large amount of school aged children will and do get brainwashed into blindly following religion at home by their parents. So I think schools should serve as kind of the balancer in order to prevent kids from becoming too brainwashed into thinking their religion is the only one and all others a crap. Schools should teach the histories and practices of other faiths and show children all the similarities between the different religions. Most older people (Born 1970s or earlier) are still pretty religious so its a given that their children will be fairly brainwashed by religion. But since less and less people from that age group are having kids then I think it will eventually become unnecessary. Since the majority of younger people are non-religious or apathetic about the whole thing. And won't brainwash their kids like the older generations did.  


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 06:53 PM

How is teaching children that religion is bad better than teaching them about religion?

 

Some people here need to get their heads out of their asses and understand the fact that their "Religion is the bane of society" attitude is worse than any religious person they'll ever come across ..Probably.

 

Not actually naming names, not really talking about people here in general. I'm talking about people who are more ...Passionate about their hate for it.

 

Also, from the 3 posts I read... The word "Brainwash" on this thread is more overused than "Hyperbole" or whatever on that one site.


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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:28 PM

So, you've read three posts and you think that gives you enough of a knowledge of the views of the people who have posted in this thread to form a general opinion on it?
I don't want to sound rude, but that's pretty ignorant isn't it?

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Posted 13 May 2014 - 07:48 PM

How is teaching children that religion is bad better than teaching them about religion?

 

Some people here need to get their heads out of their asses and understand the fact that their "Religion is the bane of society" attitude is worse than any religious person they'll ever come across ..Probably.

 

Not actually naming names, not really talking about people here in general. I'm talking about people who are more ...Passionate about their hate for it.

 

Also, from the 3 posts I read... The word "Brainwash" on this thread is more overused than "Hyperbole" or whatever on that one site.

I didn't necessarily say "Schools should teach that religion is bad" I tried to say "Schools should educate students on different types of religions" Because a large amount of children who grow up in Christian households are taught at a young age that all non Christian religions are bad. This pretty much already happens in schools where religion and religious studies are offered as elective courses. I would just like to see the trend continue. 


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Posted 2 weeks ago

I think kids should be taught somewhere about different religions, maybe not in a school during a legit curriculum though.


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Posted A week ago

I went to a private school, where adventism was in focus. Though we were taught about all religions, there were some subtle hints to why "christianity is the one true reiligion" and som less subtle ones. When we were taught about darwinism and evolution, for instance, one of the questions read: "Explain points an atheist might use to 'prove' evolution, and then debunk them". We were taught about say, the second law of thermodynamics, but only so we could use it to counter scientifically ground points. At the time, I was a devout christian. As soon as I left the school (to start studying music) I lost my faith, as one might say.

I think it's unethical to teach that christianity (or any other religion) is true in any school





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