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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:44 AM

I was looking at a few things today on the web about the European Union becoming one nation (the United States of Europe). To be honest, I don't think it will ever happen, just because the differences between the current nations. But my question is, if it does become one nation, would be the capital city and the official language? Also, if you would like to say other things (example: could it be a monarchy, or republic?)

My Opinion:
Capital City: Brussels (because of it's influence in NATO and the EU)
Official Language: English (because it's the international language of the world) or possibly have French, German and English as the official languages.

What's your thoughts?
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:48 AM Edited by Mr Scratch, 05 February 2014 - 06:48 AM.

Pripyat as the capital, just for the heck of it.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:50 AM

QUOTE (VF94 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:48)
Pripyat as the capital,just for the heck of it.

Seems like an odd place for the capital, haha.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:55 AM Edited by Stephan123, 12 May 2013 - 10:58 AM.

The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrender of the national states. But it will end in riots or civil war.

Apart from that, I would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:57 AM

Whoa, too much for being too united as one. Each European country has it's own culture and distinction actually, so it's almost impossible for them to unite. EU is already enough for them to be reuniting in some governmental and economic affairs.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:57 AM

QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 13:44)
To be honest, I don't think it will ever happen, just because the differences between the current nations.

I think a worldwide unification is inevitable if we survive long enough, unless we move into space and live far away from each other.

I don't know about a capital but the official language should be English in my opinion.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:58 AM

QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:55)
The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrencer of the national states. But it will end in riots.

Apart from that, O would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.

I see you're from Germany, so you would know more about the situation than I would. Do you think this could lead to another European war?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:59 AM

There was talk sometime ago about EU countries discarding their constitutions & ratifying a single constitution. Therefore, I recon it might be in the foreseeable future. If so, I imagine a capital district would be contrived similar to how Washington DC was devised when the United States was forming. As for language, Switzerland is adequately functioning with multiple official languages so why would this be much different?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:00 AM

QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 10:58)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:55)
The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrencer of the national states. But it will end in riots.

Apart from that, O would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.

I see you're from Germany, so you would know more about the situation than I would. Do you think this could lead to another European war?

No there will be no war between states, but violent riots or civil war in Greece is very likely in my opinion. The situation in Greece is the same as in Germany, shortly before the national socialists took over, because the government has to do a saving program like Brüning did in the Weimarian Republic.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:05 AM

QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 22:00)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 10:58)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:55)
The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrencer of the national states. But it will end in riots.

Apart from that, O would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.

I see you're from Germany, so you would know more about the situation than I would. Do you think this could lead to another European war?

No there will be no war between states, but violent riots or civil war in Greece is very likely in my opinion. The situation in Greece is the same as in Germany, shortly before the national socialists took over, because the government has to do a saving program like Brüning did in the Weimarian Republic.

So you don't think there will be a united Europe?

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Are you saying they would build a city from scratch for the capital? And with the language thing, Switzerland only has 4 official languages, not like 30 languages.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:07 AM

Capital City: Germany, all the existing villages, hamlet, towns and cities would just become suburbs of Germany.
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English wouldn't be involved as the UK would become independent and annex itself to the North American Alliance and become a staging post for it's global fight against the European Union, the Chinese Conglomerates and Middle Eastern Coalition, the latter being moderates. The African Union would ally itself to the North American Alliance as they don't like the French as during the formation of the North American Alliance the province of Quebec was bordered off and as part of the treaty with the European Union they allow supply flights to drop supplies to Quebec from the sub European capital France, again its towns and cities become suburbs. Also allied with the North American Alliance is the South/Central American Alliance, The Australasian Union of Australia and the South Pacific nations and the Asian Subcontinent Coalition (as the North American Alliance still needs call centers). The Middle Eastern Coalition remain relatively moderate and remain neutral through a Détente style agreement and the Russian Federation have influence throughout the whole of the world siding with everyone at the same time as they have their Vodka exports to consider. Throughout all this Switzerland remain completely neutral owning to offshore banking, Toblerone and Cheese.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:11 AM Edited by Stephan123, 12 May 2013 - 11:17 AM.

QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:05)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 22:00)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 10:58)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:55)
The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrencer of the national states. But it will end in riots.

Apart from that, O would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.

I see you're from Germany, so you would know more about the situation than I would. Do you think this could lead to another European war?

No there will be no war between states, but violent riots or civil war in Greece is very likely in my opinion. The situation in Greece is the same as in Germany, shortly before the national socialists took over, because the government has to do a saving program like Brüning did in the Weimarian Republic.

So you don't think there will be a united Europe?

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Are you saying they would build a city from scratch for the capital? And with the language thing, Switzerland only has 4 official languages, not like 30 languages.

A united Europe has nothing to do with the United states of Europe. United for me means to live in peace together and having cultural, social and ecomical exchange and not e cantralized state.

A centralized European state is against every current constitution in Europe, and I doubt people would vote for a new constitution that allows total transfer of competences to Brussels. Especially in south Europe the anger against the EU instititutions and also Germany grows very fast, because of the wrong austerity strategy.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:11 AM

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Are you saying they would build a city from scratch for the capital? And with the language thing, Switzerland only has 4 official languages, not like 30 languages.


For the capital: I would guess they'd merge some cities together and diversify them.
As for language: If the EU was divided into regions where each region had a few official languages, it could be applicable.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:13 AM

I would probably say Oslo.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:23 AM

My thoughts? This is beyond cockamamy. No single country in the European Union has the zeal to lose it's national identity and be amalgamated into one immense country, with all the problems both on political, social and cultural side that accompany that. Not to mention the practical issues as for example the majority of people in a lot of EU countries aren't able speak English let alone French and/or German. Hell, even an abundance of politicians aren't able to do so. And even now I'm scratching the surface. Just look at how quickly a large part of Europe was tempted and still is to say "bye, bye" to Greece. Imagine this on a scale of a Superstate. This simply won't happen, not in our lifetimes at least.
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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

As for the English skills, this instantly remembers me of Günther Oettinger.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:31 AM

QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:28)
As for the English skills, this instantly remembers me of Günther Oettinger.

Watch and piss in your pants. biggrin.gif


Don't laugh.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:39 AM

This sounds like a very poor science fiction piece set in 2050, or possibly a right-wing dystopian piece about how the EU is about to actually supersede national sovereignty.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:41 AM

QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:11)
Especially in south Europe the anger against the EU instititutions and also Germany grows very fast, because of the wrong austerity strategy.

How about you stop misleading people? Reading your posts, the layperson would conclude that the situation in Europe is very tense; everybody hates their government, hates the other countries and the seams of the EU are starting to tear, when really none of that is true. Most of Europe doesn't share this weird sense of indignation that the right wing in Britain and Germany seem to have.

Odds are, the EU's role is only going to increase. You can swim against the current if you like, but don't pretend your views represent anything but a minority.

"Riots and civil wars"? Get real.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:41)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:11)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:05)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 22:00)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 10:58)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:55)
The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrencer of the national states. But it will end in riots.

Apart from that, O would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.

I see you're from Germany, so you would know more about the situation than I would. Do you think this could lead to another European war?

No there will be no war between states, but violent riots or civil war in Greece is very likely in my opinion. The situation in Greece is the same as in Germany, shortly before the national socialists took over, because the government has to do a saving program like Brüning did in the Weimarian Republic.

So you don't think there will be a united Europe?

@GTASAddict
Are you saying they would build a city from scratch for the capital? And with the language thing, Switzerland only has 4 official languages, not like 30 languages.

A united Europe has nothing to do with the United states of Europe. United for me means to live in peace together and having cultural, social and ecomical exchange and not e cantralized state.

A centralized European state is against every current constitution in Europe, and I doubt people would vote for a new constitution that allows total transfer of competences to Brussels. Especially in south Europe the anger against the EU instititutions and also Germany grows very fast, because of the wrong austerity strategy.

How about you stop misleading people? Reading your posts, the layperson would conclude that the situation in Europe is very tense; everybody hates their government, hates the other countries and the seams of the EU are starting to tear, when really none of that is true. Most of Europe doesn't share this weird sense of indignation that the right wing in Britain and Germany seem to have.

Odds are, the EU's role is only going to increase. You can swim against the current if you like, but don't pretend your views represent anything but a minority.

Then how do you explain that the Golden Dawn party in Greece (Nazi party 2.0) has gained 18 of 300 parliament seats in the last election?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:46 AM Edited by Raavi, 12 May 2013 - 12:06 PM.

QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 12:41)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:11)
Especially in south Europe the anger against the EU instititutions and also Germany grows very fast, because of the wrong austerity strategy.

How about you stop misleading people? Reading your posts, the layperson would conclude that the situation in Europe is very tense; everybody hates their government, hates the other countries and the seams of the EU are starting to tear, when really none of that is true. Most of Europe doesn't share this weird sense of indignation that the right wing in Britain and Germany seem to have.

Odds are, the EU's role is only going to increase. You can swim against the current if you like, but don't pretend your views represent anything but a minority.

"Riots and civil wars"? Get real.

Do you live in Europe?

If not then how do you you think you have a single clue on what really goes on here. Just as much as I don't have a clue about politics and social issues in Australia, you don't know what actually goes on here. As quite frankly you don't live within this fine Union. And let me burst your bubble and tell you that the newspapers you read are pretty damn good at nuancing this whole situation. The fact is that people from all over Europe are slowly but surely starting to rebel, against Brussels and the established order. And they're starting to form groups and even political parties, just look at Greece (as Stephan already pointed out). And not only "normal people" are starting to rebel, politicians also. European rules, regulations and their overall meddling into individual country politics are being questioned much more often. Now this doesn't exactly point towards an increasing role, does it.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:53 AM

Capital, since it's the center of the world and universe, Bilbao. President, me. Language, one I'd invent myself. And everybody happy.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 19:46)
QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:41)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:11)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:05)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 22:00)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 10:58)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:55)
The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrencer of the national states. But it will end in riots.

Apart from that, O would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.

I see you're from Germany, so you would know more about the situation than I would. Do you think this could lead to another European war?

No there will be no war between states, but violent riots or civil war in Greece is very likely in my opinion. The situation in Greece is the same as in Germany, shortly before the national socialists took over, because the government has to do a saving program like Brüning did in the Weimarian Republic.

So you don't think there will be a united Europe?

@GTASAddict
Are you saying they would build a city from scratch for the capital? And with the language thing, Switzerland only has 4 official languages, not like 30 languages.

A united Europe has nothing to do with the United states of Europe. United for me means to live in peace together and having cultural, social and ecomical exchange and not e cantralized state.

A centralized European state is against every current constitution in Europe, and I doubt people would vote for a new constitution that allows total transfer of competences to Brussels. Especially in south Europe the anger against the EU instititutions and also Germany grows very fast, because of the wrong austerity strategy.

How about you stop misleading people? Reading your posts, the layperson would conclude that the situation in Europe is very tense; everybody hates their government, hates the other countries and the seams of the EU are starting to tear, when really none of that is true. Most of Europe doesn't share this weird sense of indignation that the right wing in Britain and Germany seem to have.

Odds are, the EU's role is only going to increase. You can swim against the current if you like, but don't pretend your views represent anything but a minority.

Then how do you explain that the Golden Dawn party in Greece (Nazi party 2.0) has gained 18 of 300 parliament seats in the last election?

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Hmm... I can't see so much how Germany had grown so fast.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:58 AM

QUOTE (ExtremeLimitations @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:55)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 19:46)
QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:41)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:11)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 11:05)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 22:00)
QUOTE (KaRzY6 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 10:58)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:55)
The majority of the people don't want the United States of Europe, yet the EU institutions don't give a f*ck. They have introduced the € to tie the countries together, ignoring its economical effects, although many have warned them. And now the anger between the nations grows faster every day, while the politicians missuse the crysis to accelerate the surrencer of the national states. But it will end in riots.

Apart from that, O would never ever speak English in my own country, apart from English class.

I see you're from Germany, so you would know more about the situation than I would. Do you think this could lead to another European war?

No there will be no war between states, but violent riots or civil war in Greece is very likely in my opinion. The situation in Greece is the same as in Germany, shortly before the national socialists took over, because the government has to do a saving program like Brüning did in the Weimarian Republic.

So you don't think there will be a united Europe?

@GTASAddict
Are you saying they would build a city from scratch for the capital? And with the language thing, Switzerland only has 4 official languages, not like 30 languages.

A united Europe has nothing to do with the United states of Europe. United for me means to live in peace together and having cultural, social and ecomical exchange and not e cantralized state.

A centralized European state is against every current constitution in Europe, and I doubt people would vote for a new constitution that allows total transfer of competences to Brussels. Especially in south Europe the anger against the EU instititutions and also Germany grows very fast, because of the wrong austerity strategy.

How about you stop misleading people? Reading your posts, the layperson would conclude that the situation in Europe is very tense; everybody hates their government, hates the other countries and the seams of the EU are starting to tear, when really none of that is true. Most of Europe doesn't share this weird sense of indignation that the right wing in Britain and Germany seem to have.

Odds are, the EU's role is only going to increase. You can swim against the current if you like, but don't pretend your views represent anything but a minority.

Then how do you explain that the Golden Dawn party in Greece (Nazi party 2.0) has gained 18 of 300 parliament seats in the last election?

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Hmm... I can't see so much how Germany had grown so fast.

Golden Dawn is an extreme right, racist, nationalist party in Greece run by Greeks.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 11:58 AM

Jelgava, Latvia. Because f*ck logic, that's why.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:04 PM Edited by Stephan123, 12 May 2013 - 12:11 PM.

Not to forget that the communists gained another 12 seats, the extremism is growing from both sides.

If we look at Italy the MoVimento 5 Stelle, which is a protest party against the austerity politics and the betrayal of the ideas from the fathers of the European union, has gained 109/630 seats in the parliament.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:05 PM

A capital city for Europe is an impossibility - any city chosen would have too much baggage and be, by its nature, a rallying point for nationalists and separatists in whatever country the city resided in.

The solution? As with Vatican City, have a minute new country with no prior history in which the accumulated diplomats can meet and the the President of Europe would reside.

I would have this constructed out at sea on a man made island.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:29 PM

London - Most obvious but won't happen since UK would leave Union ASAP if Europe became one nation

Paris - Next most obvious since France seem to be proud of being in the EU

Berlin - Other obvious city, though Paris is more likely

Brussels - EU Headquarters, good choice though city lacks big feel

Frankfurt - Home to the European Stock Exchange, other likely candidate


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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:32 PM

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Frankfurt - Home to the European Stock Exchange, other likely candidate

you mean the European Central Bank

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:38 PM

QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 12:41)
QUOTE (Stephan123 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 21:11)
Especially in south Europe the anger against the EU instititutions and also Germany grows very fast, because of the wrong austerity strategy.

How about you stop misleading people? Reading your posts, the layperson would conclude that the situation in Europe is very tense; everybody hates their government, hates the other countries and the seams of the EU are starting to tear, when really none of that is true. Most of Europe doesn't share this weird sense of indignation that the right wing in Britain and Germany seem to have.

Odds are, the EU's role is only going to increase. You can swim against the current if you like, but don't pretend your views represent anything but a minority.

"Riots and civil wars"? Get real.

He does have a point, while tension is far from cataclysmic levels, the rise of Eurosceptic parties across Europe, and the newspaper fuelled bile towards the EU in the UK, show just how unpopular it is becoming. Add that to a structure that is fundamentally undemocratic, and one that is pursuing hugely unpopular and ineffective economic policy, and you have a recipe for disdain.

Let's not forget, the majority of people do not understand, or agree with, the EU's programme of further integration. Furthermore, the fact that austerity dominates the agenda has had a chilling effect on growth and only contributes further to the view of European despotism - all too easy for newspapers to spin into further hatred.




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