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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:34 PM

Lexus IS - the running costs will be considerably lower than all the alternatives. According the the JD Power survey the IS is the cheapest to maintain and most reliable executive saloon available.

Also, when I was looking at insurance (5 years NCB) for a Lexus IS I was getting cheaper quotes than my Citroen C2 so that's another plus-point.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Saturday, May 11 2013, 18:57)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, May 11 2013, 17:48)
Why an S80 as opposed to an S60? They're huge anyway. S60R is in budget if you can put up with 19mpg. Decent turn of all-weather pace too.

Probably sacrilegious, but how about a Skoda Octavia vRS?

1.8 Turbo? Meh.

I meant the current (or more accurately previous generation) 2.0 TFSI version, not the old police-favourite 20VT. It'll be just as quick, if not faster in the real world, than the IS250, 520/530d or CLS350. They're actually fantastically good fun to drive for what is in essence a Mk5 Golf with a boot. The TFSI motors are certainly more entertaining than middle-of-the-road, lazy Japanese V6s or BMW diesel engines.

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 07:51 PM

http://www.carzone.i...rt?channel=CARS

This one, yeh?

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 10:38 PM Edited by jaysteels, 11 May 2013 - 10:42 PM.

Ooh, my buddy has an S80. Great, subtle, and luxurious

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Posted 11 May 2013 - 11:16 PM

QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Saturday, May 11 2013, 20:51)
http://www.carzone.i...rt?channel=CARS

This one, yeh?

Yeah, that one.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 12:09 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Friday, May 10 2013, 19:06)
QUOTE (Tycek @ Friday, May 10 2013, 18:57)
Get M5 and convert it to LPG. wink.gif

Lpg and highly strung engines very sensitive to afr is not a pretty combination.

Running costs on an E39 M5 are going to be epic. You could probably do 5k in services and sundries a year easily.

I agree with this!

Anybody can save up to buy a car, but you need the income and money available if the car decides to sh*t the bed one day completely.

Speaking from experience, (father) The E39 M5's are very reliable cars, servicing is cheaper than a straight 6 M3 and the fuel economy isn't actually that bad. My Cooper S does worse on fuel!

The cars are epic ground cruisers that sound great, and with the correct mods done can be as nimble as a E90 M3.

HOWEVER, if one day the car decides to blow its oil pump or eat its bottom end bearings, you're going to want to have a lot of extra money saved up to save it. Each is a good amount of money to sort out, and that's if you're lucky. If any of those things kills the engine, you're looking at over 3000 for a good S62 engine and box.

Preventive maintanance is the key, replace all the common fault areas, or buy a vehicle that's already been meticuliously maintained. My dad changed the bottom end bearings on his as they were scoring, but his M5 has now done over 135,000 miles.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:26 PM

The M5 is a great car, the mpg is not that bad on it as we could imagine, I think that Starion said pretty much everything about it, they are quite bulletproof but not idiotproof. That's why you need to check on the maintenance.

The 996 3.4 is a nightmare, both 3.4 and 3.6 have rear main seal problems, but the 3.4 is a catastrophy.

The 645 is good for kebab shop owners, and is everything but subtle, plus faulty electrics, but you know all that, you're in the Polish bmw scene in Ireland iirc(?).

The built quality of the CLS is bad (plastics, body panels), but chances are it is much more easier to find an unmolested one than in the case of the E39 M5.

The Volvo, forget it, you're not 45.

E60 530d, I am not sure about the reliability, I don't know this car well.

Lexus IS, quite ok, but boring as hell.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 04:32 PM Edited by Garfield 2, 12 May 2013 - 04:34 PM.

QUOTE (Pavlov @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 16:26)
The 645 is good for kebab shop owners, and is everything but subtle, plus faulty electrics, but you know all that, you're in the Polish bmw scene in Ireland iirc(?).

The built quality of the CLS is bad (plastics, body panels), but chances are it is much more easier to find an unmolested one than in the case of the E39 M5.

I don't know, the 6 Series is a nice car overall, and it is a GT which means the insurance won't be as heavy as that of an M5.
It's also a bit more economical and with the right exhaust, it can sound just as aggresive as the M5 does.
Faulty electrics? That's the first I hear. I know there are some engine problems which may be very expensive, but then:

- It's cheap in Ireland (as in stupidly cheap, around 6k this time next year no problem
- Part shared with the common E60 where applicable
- Huge online enthusiast support for learning/fixing things
- Solid engine, fast and economical for a V8
- Decent availability, the M5 wont be
- Its not a 2002 car, it's a 2005.

The M5 is much more individual and doesn't share as many parts with the E39 as the 645 does with the E60.

And yes, I'm in the polish BMW scene in Ireland.

I didn't complain about the built quality of the CLS, since a mechanic of mine actually owns one (CLS 320 CDI) and I found it alright - definitely better than a Passat CC. Last point I agree with. These cars are usually driven by mums here, unlike the M5s.

Remember, this is going to be a car that I can live with everyday.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 05:27 PM

I don't have much feedback about the 6 outside the GCC (means arab countries), perhaps the weather, sand, etc was bad on them. The CLS is better than the Passat CC, agreed, I like that car overall.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:42 PM

Alright, the race is down to the E39 M5 vs E63 645ci.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:48 PM Edited by gtavpoliceimprovements, 25 August 2013 - 11:35 AM.

QUOTE (Garfield)
If you have any more suggestions, let me know here!

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 07:50 PM

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I Don't know what part of Ireland you live in, but in the Car Dealership near me and They have a 06 Toyota Avensis 2.2 D-4D Luna 4Dr for 4'995, I can send you the link if you want

We're talking about M5s, 645cis, V8 and you want to send me a link to a diesel Toyota?

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 09:04 PM

QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 12:32)
Faulty electrics? That's the first I hear. I know there are some engine problems which may be very expensive, but then:

Garfield 2, meet iDrive. iDrive, meat Garfield 2. monocle.gif

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:24 PM

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I don't know, Lurch. None of my friends who own E60s ever experienced any problems with their iDrive systems.

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Posted 12 May 2013 - 10:48 PM Edited by Lurch, 12 May 2013 - 11:27 PM.

I think they're certainly get worse with age. Let's face it, BMW electronics eventually break. And the more electronic sh*t it has to go wrong, the worse it will be as it ages. Hence why E38 prices have hit rock bottom so hard.


I would be very wary of the mega-computer, electronic, bangle generation as they start to age.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Sunday, May 12 2013, 17:32)
The M5 is much more individual and doesn't share as many parts with the E39 as the 645 does with the E60.

I'm not so sure about that, the M5 shares pretty much the same bodykit as a normal M sport e39, and even shares the same exhaust manifolds as the cooking 540i.

The 645i would be the better choice for someone in your situation. It's not the car I would have personally, but from a realistic perspective it makes sense.

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 10:06 AM

ALRIGHT GUYS

I have made a manly decision, and I'm choosing....
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THE 645CI.

WHY:
- More economical than M5
- Easier to live with everyday
- More modern than E39
- Coupe instead of a Saloon
- My dad likes it more
- Still plenty of horsepower
- Cheaper insurance

The M5 still will be on my "to get before I die" list, but for now, I think the 645Ci will be a very mad car either way.

I will post here again as soon as I get the job, and will give you progress on my savings.

Thank you very much guys. Definitely wouldn't have made this decision without ya all!

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Posted 13 May 2013 - 04:58 PM

Of those 2 sites you listed, I can't find a single 645 that, as far as mechanically spec'd, I'd consider to be worth a sh*t. M5's are at least pretty much perfect there from the get-go. If you want an auto boulevard cruiser, get a merc. Otherwise, at least get a bimmer that's not going to be a bore to drive.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 05:16 AM

A bit of a bump but quite interested as to the progress of this. Have you gotten the 645 yet??

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 11:44 AM Edited by Garfield 2, 27 June 2013 - 11:50 AM.

QUOTE (Outcast @ Thursday, Jun 27 2013, 05:16)
A bit of a bump but quite interested as to the progress of this. Have you gotten the 645 yet??

I'm buying the car at around May 2014.

//edit: I was supposed to be working as of now, but my job has been delayed until September sad.gif

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:08 AM

Hey guys, so I changed my prorities a little bit and decided to spend less than €10k.

 

My budget is now (up to) €5k.

 

For that kind of money, I'm interested in these:

 

- 1999/2000 Porsche Boxster 2.5 986

- 2002/2003 BMW E65 735i

- 2003/2004 Audi A8 3.7 D3

- 2001/2002 Mercedes-Benz CL 500

 

AND I need to buy the car before the end of the year.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:06 PM Edited by sivispacem, 06 November 2013 - 12:09 PM.

Why not the 4.2 Quattro A8? I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with a 2 tonne FWD saloon. Reliability in the D3 and E65 isn't up to the par of the earlier models and a single relatively minor electronics failure can effectively write off both cars.

If you can only afford 5k for the car I doubt you'll be able to afford to run either in the long term. A ten year old A8 I'd be looking at a five grand per year contingency budget for repairs and consumables alone. A set of decent tyres will be about a grand, a set of OEM discs and pads around the same. A sixty grand car still has sixty grand car running costs when it has devalued to six.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:29 PM

It's 5k only because I need to buy it before the end of the year. If I was willing to stick to the original plan, it would be €10k without a problem, but my situation forces me to go for something cheaper.

 

Forgot to mention that the 3.7 is a Quattro as well. 4.2s are harder to come by.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:56 PM

One question if I may. If situation is forcing you to buy cheaper car, why do you exactly feel the need to buy either huge luxury sedan (A8, 735i) or sporter (Boxter). These cars may be quite cheap to buy after all these years, but their running cost will be higher than they were new. Why not think about something smaller with reasonable running costs (Audis A4 or A6, BMW 525i)? 


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 02:58 PM

Because YOLO. That's why.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:48 PM

Get a Boxster and we can be Porsche buddies. 


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 03:49 PM

A fool and his money are easily parted, remember.

I'd only buy a bargain barge if I had a contingency budget about the same as the purchase price.

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Posted 06 November 2013 - 07:35 PM Edited by Garfield 2, 06 November 2013 - 07:53 PM.

http://cars.donedeal...hardtop/5745026

http://cars.donedeal...boxster/5931198

http://cars.donedeal...-bmw-m3/5933372

http://cars.donedeal...e/03-m3/5877378

http://cars.donedeal...t-03-15/5915537

http://cars.donedeal...rish-s3/5704864

http://cars.donedeal...ti-2005/5874092

http://cars.donedeal...audi-a8/5757883

 

A couple of interesting cars that I wouldn't mind owning.

 

Oooh, and this: http://www.adverts.i...-x-keys/3414910


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:19 PM

That Mk5 GTI is suspiciously cheap.


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Posted 06 November 2013 - 10:49 PM

That Mk5 GTI is suspiciously cheap.

 

2005 models go for around 6k here.

 

http://cars.donedeal...olf-gti/5848091

http://cars.donedeal...ti-2005/5847513

http://cars.donedeal...bargain/5893761





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