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Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:06 PM Edited by GTAvanja, 04 May 2013 - 01:09 PM.

QUOTE (Raavi @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 14:01)
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1. Books
2. Movies
3. Games

I can't really decide between books and movies, but I think I agree that games come in last. There's only a handful of games that can be considered something more than mindless fun or problem solving. Until we get a video game equivalent of The Brothers Karamazov and Pulp Fiction I will not see games as a mature art form. They have the potential, but unfortunately the powers that be are holding the industry back.

That's the problem with video games, although a lot games are rated M. They are far from being even remotely mature. I think that stems from times when the average gamer was 12-16 and was entertained by even the most immature games. But the demographic has evolved a lot throughout the years, now the average age is for gamers is 30 and they aren't necessarily predominately male anymore. Unfortunately it seems like developers are oblivious to this as they keep developing games that have a very immature overtone. I do however start to notice more mature subjects being incorporated, latest example of this being: Bioshock Infinite. Let's hope more developers follow and expand on this example.

The reason I still love GTA is because it's not as immature as it may seem on the first glance. As a kid I loved the freedom it provided and I didn't give a crap about anything else, but as I grow older I appreciate it a lot more and for different reasons. Underneath all the immature fun you can have is a clever satire. A critique of western culture. Mostly done through radio commercials and billboards so it doesn't constantly hit you in the face with how deep it is and it doesn't ruin your killing spree. But it's there for those who care about that kind of stuff.

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#32

Posted 04 May 2013 - 01:26 PM

QUOTE (GTAvanja @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 14:06)
QUOTE (Raavi @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 14:01)
QUOTE (GTAvanja @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 13:41)
QUOTE (Raavi @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 12:46)
1. Books
2. Movies
3. Games

I can't really decide between books and movies, but I think I agree that games come in last. There's only a handful of games that can be considered something more than mindless fun or problem solving. Until we get a video game equivalent of The Brothers Karamazov and Pulp Fiction I will not see games as a mature art form. They have the potential, but unfortunately the powers that be are holding the industry back.

That's the problem with video games, although a lot games are rated M. They are far from being even remotely mature. I think that stems from times when the average gamer was 12-16 and was entertained by even the most immature games. But the demographic has evolved a lot throughout the years, now the average age is for gamers is 30 and they aren't necessarily predominately male anymore. Unfortunately it seems like developers are oblivious to this as they keep developing games that have a very immature overtone. I do however start to notice more mature subjects being incorporated, latest example of this being: Bioshock Infinite. Let's hope more developers follow and expand on this example.

The reason I still love GTA is because it's not as immature as it may seem on the first glance. As a kid I loved the freedom it provided and I didn't give a crap about anything else, but as I grow older I appreciate it a lot more and for different reasons. Underneath all the immature fun you can have is a clever satire. A critique of western culture.

Rockstar Games in general are masters at this. A Grand Theft Auto game magnifies how stir-crazy, materialistic and above all opportunistic the western society and the overall western culture actually is. I read an article a few months ago where the author was questioning things he did as a consumer and considered to be normal because of GTA IV, thanks to cleverly put advertisement. This is a fine example of how brilliant their small puns hidden in (radio) advertisements and digs at popular brands are. As people actually recognize themselves in these stereotypes. I hope GTA V brings even more of this to the table.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 02:44 PM Edited by Stephan123, 04 May 2013 - 03:23 PM.

Actually I read a lot on the internet about economy, politics, finance and study related stuff but no romans and similar things, just because it would be too much for me together with the other stuff I read.

I am also not a big movie watcher, mainly because TV in general doesn't appeal to me anymore. So when I watch a movie it's mostly after stumbled across it elsewhere and checked if I could like it.

As for video games, they don't impress as much as they did when I was younger, plus I don't have much time for gaming. So I play like 1-2 Triple A games per year, that are done very well and add something new to my previous gaming experience. And one of these games will probably be GTA V.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 02:59 PM

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I don't see why people like books and films now that we have games, honestly.

Books, you sit there and read something someone else has written. Oh, a generic story. Yay!


That's where you are wrong already, in my opinion. Reading a book you are reading a pre-planned story, and someone else has written it, correct, but books are in no way generic, especially a good one, and the thing is, the way things happen is how you imagine them to happen, not someone elses direction like a video game, or a film. And Video Games still have pretty damn cheesy storylines, sorry. If I compared a good video game story, to a good film's story, or a good books story, the video game is very much behind i'm afraid, and you're still following a "generic storyline that someone else has written "

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Films, you sit and watch some cheap CGI boom boom stuff. The ONLY type of films that are good are comedy. The rest you just sit there and watch something for a few hours.


This is a little ironic in the sense that you praise games so much, but they are exactly this description, lots of action and explosions, I haven't played many games that are of truly comedy value.
I also disagree on your comedy film comment, but that's your opinion, fair enough. Perhaps when you get older though, you will come to appreciate the finer arts of films, rather than just straight out laughs, but that's another thing for another time.


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Games, much better. You actually do something, you're not sitting and staring at a screen moving, you're playing as someone, for some games you can customise things, it's different every time you play through it, and it's alot more value for money.


Watching cheap CGI superpower tat - Boring generic story, lasts a few hours

Playthrough of a Fallout game - Different every time, you have alot more choice, lasts 100+ hours


Sorry, but I say it again, Video-Games definitely have cheesier more generic storylines than films and books by miles, it may not seem so in the context of the game, but if you made a film play out exactly like a video game's storyline, the film would get very poor reviews.

Also I should point out entire games are made with animations, which is technically CGI, in the slang meaning that people usually refer to when talking of CGI, video game animations are actually a large step down from that.
You do have a point about being able to play through the game in different ways though, and the overall length of a game.

I don't want to argue really, I understand you have an opinion, however forcefully you imply it. But It bothers me how you can't even fathom why people prefer books and films, clearly you have never read any really good books, if you have even read an entire book in your life (Many young people haven't.) and you clearly haven't grown up enough to appreciate films, I remember I was the same...with films at least, I only enjoyed comedies when i was very young action movies came next then around 10 years old I liked watching more serious dramas like "The Shawshank Redemption."

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:19 PM

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Porn is to sex as what is professional wrestling is to fighting.

Wtf's your point there both entertaining.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:39 PM

Books probably are the best choice if you want to enlarge your cultural knowledge. Games are made for nerds, I can't fault if you play a game or two but if you spend your whole day playing games, you're totally deluded. Movies are good, except that they skip a lot of details, especially if they are made off a book story.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 03:54 PM

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Yes, a film would get poor reviews if it had a game story because that's all the film has. Games have stories and alot more which is why I think they're better.


And I really don't see me sitting in the bus reading a detective story or any non-comedy book. The only long books I can remember reading all of are Michael McIntyre's autobiography and some book about this bloke walking his dog through Cornwall.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 04:01 PM

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Porn is to sex as what is professional wrestling is to fighting.

Wtf's your point there both entertaining.

I know but my point is that they are both scripted.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 05:01 PM

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I don't see why people like books and films now that we have games, honestly.

Books, you sit there and read something someone else has written. Oh, a generic story. Yay!

Films, you sit and watch some cheap CGI boom boom stuff. The ONLY type of films that are good are comedy. The rest you just sit there and watch something for a few hours.


Games, much better. You actually do something, you're not sitting and staring at a screen moving, you're playing as someone, for some games you can customise things, it's different every time you play through it, and it's alot more value for money.


Watching cheap CGI superpower tat - Boring generic story, lasts a few hours

Playthrough of a Fallout game - Different every time, you have alot more choice, lasts 100+ hours


Games are clear winner.

You've only read one book in your life and you've written them all off as generic?
I don't even know how you can get through school only ever reading one book. Don't you read and study at least one book/play a year as per the English curriculum?

And I love Fallout too, but original it is not. There are so many tropes and concepts ripped from 20th century film and literature I could be here all day typing.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 06:43 PM

QUOTE (Harley @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 17:01)
QUOTE (LazyboyEight @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 13:53)
I don't see why people like books and films now that we have games, honestly.

Books, you sit there and read something someone else has written. Oh, a generic story. Yay!

Films, you sit and watch some cheap CGI boom boom stuff. The ONLY type of films that are good are comedy. The rest you just sit there and watch something for a few hours.


Games, much better. You actually do something, you're not sitting and staring at a screen moving, you're playing as someone, for some games you can customise things, it's different every time you play through it, and it's alot more value for money.


Watching cheap CGI superpower tat - Boring generic story, lasts a few hours

Playthrough of a Fallout game - Different every time, you have alot more choice, lasts 100+ hours


Games are clear winner.

You've only read one book in your life and you've written them all off as generic?
I don't even know how you can get through school only ever reading one book. Don't you read and study at least one book/play a year as per the English curriculum?

And I love Fallout too, but original it is not. There are so many tropes and concepts ripped from 20th century film and literature I could be here all day typing.

Oh yes, but we didn't read the entire thing, and the books weren't that good anyway.

One was about some kid on a farm and some wolf that killed some dude or something, the next two were about foreigners, the other was a Dickens book which dragged on because every page involves one minor detail being described with the utmost precision, it's always brilliant to know the exact colour shade and dimensions of that lamp in the corner that bears no resemblance to the current situation and makes you forget what is actually going on, and the most recent is a Shakespeare play.


I suppose a contributing factor to how I didn't like those books is because when other children in the class had to read aloud they took twenty seconds to figure out the pronunciation of a word that has more than 5 letters and another 20 seconds asking what it means.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:58 PM Edited by NCONiall, 04 May 2013 - 08:00 PM.

The thing with films and games for me, is that they offer a fixed view of objects/scenery and characters which is shared by all. With books however, no matter how well described a certain place/character is, the individual can create their own idea of what a certain character looks like or what a certain area is like and these are unique to the individual. For example, for me Bilbo Baggins was very different in the film from what I imagined him to be in the book, physically that is.

Films and games are still brilliant though, one thing they have that books don't is of course a soundtrack which really adds to the atmosphere of films/games and at times can make it easier to bring out the emotions of certain characters which, for some, can be difficult to spot in a book.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 07:58 PM

Books, cause I can use my imagination.

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Posted 04 May 2013 - 08:39 PM

Video games are interactive entertainment. So, I prefer them well over movies, TV shows, and books.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 07:55 AM

Games then Movies then Books smile.gif

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 08:02 AM

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QUOTE (finn4life @ Saturday, May 4 2013, 14:59)
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Yes, a film would get poor reviews if it had a game story because that's all the film has. Games have stories and alot more which is why I think they're better.

Sure, I see your point, but you were only referring to the storyline at one point, not the thing as a whole.
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Watching cheap CGI superpower tat - Boring generic story, lasts a few hours


You're saying movies are generic but game storylines are not, right there, by the way, your font is ridiculously obnoxious.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

Books and Video Games.
Books, because I can use my imagination and you can enjoy a book for a longer period of time than movies. It's also easier to see what is going on in the characters heads.
Video Games, because you or the character are part of the story, and you can control it. You can also decide what you want to do.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:03 PM

QUOTE (finn4life @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 08:02)
QUOTE (LazyboyEight @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 02:54)
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Yes, a film would get poor reviews if it had a game story because that's all the film has. Games have stories and alot more which is why I think they're better.

Sure, I see your point, but you were only referring to the storyline at one point, not the thing as a whole.
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Watching cheap CGI superpower tat - Boring generic story, lasts a few hours


You're saying movies are generic but game storylines are not, right there, by the way, your font is ridiculously obnoxious.

I never said game stories weren't generic. It doesn't matter if the story is generic or not because games aren't played solely for the story, they're played for the gameplay.


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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:18 PM

They are all great with their own advantages. Simple.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:27 PM

In my case:

Factual books > video games > movies > other books > TV

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:47 PM

Books are the most detailed and important.
Fun fact: The game Metro 2033 is based on the book Metro 2033. ph34r.gif

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 08:52 PM

Ain't trying to be funny here but they're all different forms of entertainment/storytelling (if done right).

I watch films most but I do like books and games too, games more than books but I don't think games have hit their maximum potential in-terms of storytelling quite yet; without seeming to be ignorant of course because very good game companies do exist i.e. R*, Naughty Dog, Telltale, Valve and I personally quite like Square Enix. The most recent book I've finished was "The Great Gatsby" and am currently trying to (but haven't fully dedicated myself to) read "Cloud Atlas."

I can't fully say what I like most because I'm too open-minded of all of them so sorry for being so different tounge.gif . I like them all for the different types of enjoyment they bring.

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Posted 16 May 2013 - 09:04 PM

I wouldn't have hesitated to say Games if you asked me this 2 years ago, but I'm kinda losing interest in video games. confused.gif

I do trust R* enough to bring that interest back with GTA V, though. colgate.gif

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Posted 18 May 2013 - 12:50 AM

I love them all: books, movies and games.
I must love video games the most, because I dedicate most of my time to them - nearly half of my life. There are days and nights when I've played 15 hrs straight with no sleep. It has taken a form of addiction and escapism - and yet, I really enjoy playing my favorite games, all over again.

I read books for educational purposes mostly. And I've discovered that it is more entertaining to write a movie than watch one.

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 12:58 AM

It's a shame that this thread died.. Let's make it live again.

 

So again, I ask. Movies, books or games? I used to prefer both of them over books, but now I think it's: 

1. Movies

2. Books

3. Games, I guess i've just really grown tired of playing.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:05 AM

I prefer video games. Movies are cool, I guess, though I don't watch them very much, and it's really hard to get me to read a book, I only do it for school.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:08 AM

I enjoy certain games almost as much as I like books. Movies, however, I find my ADD to be too strong and I can't sit still through an entire movie despite the length without stopping it and doing something else, then going back. I can't not break the flow. I prefer movies the least out of the three. :ph34r: :ph34r:


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:08 AM

Literature is the most pure art form in the world and if you disagree you're a dirty plebeian. 


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:21 AM Edited by Joe Chip, 05 February 2014 - 01:23 AM.

Books are still the best; they look pretty on a shelf, the stories last for days, and you can read them anywhere without needing any hardware. Movies are next because they're really good at expressing emotion and ideas. Games could be good, but not many developers seem to take advantage of their potential, and if I wanted a beautiful work of art I'd look for books or movies first just out of habit.

 

I probably prefer games because they're usually more fun, but they're not better than books or movies.


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:44 AM

Nope, I can't pick just one in this case. They all offer something unique. 
Here's a better question. Do you get pissed off when major changes are added to movies based on books? SCREW TAURIEL!!!!!! 


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 02:36 AM Edited by CatDog96, 05 February 2014 - 02:36 AM.

tv shows are better than all 3 





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