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#61

Posted 18 August 2013 - 12:56 AM

"Hey Rockstar! I've been a huge fan of Vice City... and was wondering; is that Victor Vance who is gunned down in the intro of Vice City? All sources seem to say "yes", but no official word has been given on that." - received via Mouthoff

Yup... that's Vic. After having been dragged back into the Vice City criminal underworld by his brother Lance following the events of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, Vic Vance dies in the ambush that occurs in the opening scene of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.


http://www.rockstarg...n-and-chin.html


This confirmation comes from the company that OWNS the story of the game. As such, whatever is believed to be true from the customer such as yourself (or even individuals who programmed the game in the first place) makes no difference. If it had appeared to be an 8 ft. tall Asian with bad acne scars and an extra thumb, it still would have been Vic.

That's how a whiny little brat in the Star Wars prequels gets to be Darth Vader.
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Posted 18 August 2013 - 12:59 AM Edited by Vic 2.0, 18 August 2013 - 01:01 AM.

QUOTE (MyDog @ Saturday, Aug 17 2013, 20:37)
Ok, then why did Lance say "This is for my brother!" when killing Diaz, if the one who had Vic murdered was Sonny?

Could've been any number of ways for Sonny (or someone working for him) to convince Lance that Diaz was responsible for his brother's death. There's certainly a motive for it. Suppose Sonny knew Diaz was helping Tommy make something of himself in Vice City? Breaking up the partnership between the three of them (prior to what you find out right before that last mission) would be a way of knocking Tommy back down to being a "nobody" who has to rely on his first boss/connection and no other.

I'm not saying the OP is right. But I definitely favor his story over the more popular one (where a non-Cuban sounding black man turns into an apparently full-blooded Cuban after a rather short stay in Vice City, Florida).

Edited to add:

So Rockstar has confirmed it's Vic. Tsk tsk. I still say they should've thought about the OP's idea first.

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Posted 18 August 2013 - 04:14 PM

Maybe Victor somehow got addicted to meth and he looks old Rockstar just didn't tell us. I bet it's not it but's possible.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 12:05 AM

And if you said you couldnt trust "some low life who doesnt actually work for rockstar" then how can we trust you.

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 12:33 AM

QUOTE (mrmanbaby23326 @ Sunday, Aug 18 2013, 16:14)
Maybe Victor somehow got addicted to meth and he looks old Rockstar just didn't tell us. I bet it's not it but's possible.

That's just it, Rockstar couldn't possibly come up with an explanation as to why Vic doesn't look or sound anything like himself after such a short stay in Florida. Come to think of it, even the personalities don't match. The guy who gets killed in the beginning of VC is an annoying chucklehead whom it doesn't take much to suspect of being evil. Vic Vance in VCS is 100% the opposite. A responsibility-minded overly serious do-gooder.

I suppose it could be drugs that account for this difference as well, but you'd think meth or cocaine would make him all the more cautious (i.e., paranoid) and uptight. And the accent is still a mystery...

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Posted 19 August 2013 - 06:25 PM

Ken Rosenberg said the truth : Okay, so. They're brothers, okay. One operates the uh, business, and the other one does the flying. (from the intro smile.gif )

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 12:27 AM

QUOTE (hunk41 @ Monday, Aug 19 2013, 18:25)
Ken Rosenberg said the truth : Okay, so. They're brothers, okay. One operates the uh, business, and the other one does the flying. (from the intro smile.gif )

Rockstar has already confirmed it was Vic. But I think it was a poor call on their part because of all the inconsistencies. They would've done better to say it was Pete who died in that scene. Then, everything would make perfect sense, with or without the OP's theory concerning the meat hook dude back in Liberty City.

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Posted 20 August 2013 - 05:20 AM

I remember this topic like yesterday, from 4-5 years ago. The guy who made it got banned later on and had the EXACT same story. Don't remember his name, it was chngdman or something like that.

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Posted 01 May 2015 - 04:50 PM Edited by sharpie_eastern, 01 May 2015 - 04:53 PM.

The actual model of the chopper guy has Vic's name, so internal parts
VS your theory.

EDIT// Oops, didn't mean to bump, missed the dates

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 12:24 PM

The thing with Vic Vance wasn´t be the only time R* completely changed the character models in two different games.Another example is Jim Fitzgerald,in GTA 4 he is one of these two guys:

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...and in GTA TLAD he looks like this:

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 02:27 PM

the guy in the beginning is victor. they wernt planning on making vice city stories then and made just a random face. but that face wouldnt look good as a protragonist of a game so they changed it

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 06:20 PM Edited by roadrage19, 02 May 2015 - 06:28 PM.

That makes no sense at all. How could Vic be in the closet when he Forellis were by no means involved with Vic in the events of VCS? I mean sure Vic defeated some of the members of the gang to protect Phil Collins, but how would the Forellis finally catch him after he left Vice City? Come on man. The guy in the closet just looks like him. It's only a coincidence. It would make zero sense for the Forellis to hunt for Vic in wherever the f*ck he's from, execute him, and bring him to LC to get hung by a hook inside their closet.


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Posted 02 May 2015 - 06:23 PM Edited by gangster2332, 02 May 2015 - 06:24 PM.

That makes no sense at all. How could Vic be in the closet when he Forellis were by no means involved with Vic in the events of VCS? I mean sure Vic defeated some of the members of the gang to protect Phil Collins, but how would the Forellis finally catch him after he left Vice City? Come on man. The guy in the closet just looks like him. It's only a coincidence. It would make zero sense for the Forellis to hunt for Vic in wherever the f*ck he's from, execute him, and bring him to LC to get hung by a hook inside their closet.

what f*cking closet?!? the guy in the beginning is just a randon guy hanging in a fridge

and it was diazes men who killed vic and tommys friends
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Posted 02 May 2015 - 06:33 PM

That makes no sense at all. How could Vic be in the closet when he Forellis were by no means involved with Vic in the events of VCS? I mean sure Vic defeated some of the members of the gang to protect Phil Collins, but how would the Forellis finally catch him after he left Vice City? Come on man. The guy in the closet just looks like him. It's only a coincidence. It would make zero sense for the Forellis to hunt for Vic in wherever the f*ck he's from, execute him, and bring him to LC to get hung by a hook inside their closet.

what f*cking closet?!? the guy in the beginning is just a randon guy hanging in a fridge

and it was diazes men who killed vic and tommys friends
That's exactly what I'm saying. It makes no sense that the Forellis would kill Vic in wherever he lived in after leaving VC and take him to LC to hang him from a hook.

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 06:41 PM

I have seen it debated much, and have even seen some low-level comment responder employee make the mistake of confirming something that is utterly false. Let's get into the controversy folks, can anyone deny the facts I will present here as evidence? It would take a madman to refute this reasoning, in my honest opinion, but I want to open this can of worms with you guys! More than enough evidence, way more than should be required:

Regardless of what some bottom feeder rockstar new york comment answering person said - the guy at the drug deal in the CHOPPER scene is NOT vic vance.

Vic Vance is the guy at the NYC drug deal, hanging on a meat hook. Same Face profile, same suit, too.

Vic Vance is the dead guy on the very opening scene of VC. The VERY FIRST scenes, telling you, it is HIM because it picks up from where he later left off in VCS biggrin.gif

Vic takes over VC, visits LC, gets killed, and that is why they send tommy in to take over now that they killed the boss. Tommy would NOT be there before vic was dead, period. So it is not him in the chopper scene, and it IS him, visually, story wise (fade in on first scene), all of it, it is him on the hook. It is NOT him at the VC drug deal.

Look at this video. Look at the bloody play button thumbnail - that's vic in the closet biggrin.gif



That is him. Because why else would there be a bald black guy in a Vance suit in that closet? I have seen people say "duh, cause it's the mafia, it's just a random detail". No, it isn't. NO movie has anything on screen that isn't planned - same goes for the series that prides itself on borrowing from movies. It is there for a reason, it is not just a set piece, it IS vic vance.

No reason other than the cold hard facts and truth - Vic Vance did not die in the chopper scene, he died before the opening scene of the game. Just as he was the last person we heard from in 1984, he was also the first person we see in 1986.

You need to take a second thought of this. First of all, how would the Forellis know where Vic is when the latter left VC to wherever his hometown was? And why would they bring him to LC to get executed when they simply could kill him in his hometown and leave? Also, if the Forellis really killed Vic by thr hook, why would Lance get revenge on Diaz instead of the Forellis? And why would he be so quick to side with the leader of the gang that killed his brother? Come on man. Explain all that!

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 07:24 PM

He isn't the chopper guy. He's the guy on the ground doing the deal...

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Posted 09 May 2015 - 07:46 PM Edited by XTad, 09 May 2015 - 07:52 PM.

The guy hanging on the hook is not Vic. In the opening cutscenes Forelli and his coworkers clearly say that "They've been thinking about expanding down south" but they are affraid that dealing drungs might not be approved by the families. So that means they had no Vic Vance down there who has been killed and has to be replaced by Tommy. And regarding the accent, I think that it is just a voiceover thing, but another possible explanation could be that he simply acted it in order to protect his identity in case somebody wanted to find him (cops, angry bussiness associates etc.).


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Posted 18 May 2015 - 04:59 AM

Hate to say this but it is Vic. Damm just sucks that he was killed and at first he wanted to get out of the drug game.

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 07:09 AM

Hate to say this but it is Vic. Damm just sucks that he was killed and at first he wanted to get out of the drug game.

If that was Vic, why would Lance side with the Forellis, the "guys who killed Vic"?

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 08:09 AM

Hate to say this but it is Vic. Damm just sucks that he was killed and at first he wanted to get out of the drug game.

If that was Vic, why would Lance side with the Forellis, the "guys who killed Vic"?

diazs men killed vic, not forellis

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 08:34 AM

Hate to say this but it is Vic. Damm just sucks that he was killed and at first he wanted to get out of the drug game.

If that was Vic, why would Lance side with the Forellis, the "guys who killed Vic"?
diazs men killed vic, not forellis
Duh. I know that. I mean why would Lance be on the Forellis' side if they hung Vic in the closet?

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Posted 21 May 2015 - 10:16 AM

Hate to say this but it is Vic. Damm just sucks that he was killed and at first he wanted to get out of the drug game.

If that was Vic, why would Lance side with the Forellis, the "guys who killed Vic"?
diazs men killed vic, not forellis
Duh. I know that. I mean why would Lance be on the Forellis' side if they hung Vic in the closet?

that wasnt vic. please explain how vic was hanging in the closet 1 day BEFORE his death

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 09:07 PM

Hate to say this but it is Vic. Damm just sucks that he was killed and at first he wanted to get out of the drug game.

If that was Vic, why would Lance side with the Forellis, the "guys who killed Vic"?
diazs men killed vic, not forellis
Duh. I know that. I mean why would Lance be on the Forellis' side if they hung Vic in the closet?
that wasnt vic. please explain how vic was hanging in the closet 1 day BEFORE his death
This guy's point is going way over your head. He was asking how could the Forellis hang Vic in the closet and have Lance side with them. Therefore, he's implying it makes no sense. Sheesh!

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 05:27 AM

There are some ways to make Lance believe Díaz killed his brother instead of the Forellis.

 

I think the guy in the fridge is not Vic, but still......


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Posted 24 May 2015 - 11:06 PM

Anyone who thinks the guy in the intro isn't Vic is either a fool or can't accept facts.

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Posted 24 May 2015 - 11:35 PM

Anyone who thinks the guy in the intro isn't Vic is either a fool or can't accept facts.


dude! how could somebody be dead in a fridge, if he only dies the next day?!?

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 10:20 PM

Anyone who thinks the guy in the intro isn't Vic is either a fool or can't accept facts.

What facts?! Explain how the he'll would the Forellis know where Vic lives if that was him in the closet. Also, wouldn't Lance already know that his other brother is missing if Vic was really in the closet? Think before making up illusions!

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Posted 25 May 2015 - 11:12 PM

 

Anyone who thinks the guy in the intro isn't Vic is either a fool or can't accept facts.

What facts?! Explain how the he'll would the Forellis know where Vic lives if that was him in the closet. Also, wouldn't Lance already know that his other brother is missing if Vic was really in the closet? Think before making up illusions!

 

I don't think that guy in the closet is Vic, since who the hell would the dealer in the beginning be? Lance can be seen in the chopper and Pete Vance is NEVER mentioned in Vice city during the game or story, Vice city's official website also mentions Victor Vance but not Pete.

 

Also Lance saw his brother die right in front of him, in the mission "Back Alley Brawl" Lance says "My dead brothers white lady", obviously refering to the cocaine Vic was holding in the deal.

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Posted 28 May 2015 - 12:10 AM

I don`t believe that the Hispanic guy in the red Hawaiian shirt, a bad combeover, overweight and with a thick COLOOOOOMBIAN accent is Vic at all. But like Lance said, Vic was killed by Diaz and not by the Forelli mafia. So it couldn`t have been him in the meat locker. I think they did a very bad job explaining Vic`s death, but all we know is that he`s dead and that Diaz set him up.


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Posted 28 May 2015 - 06:22 AM

Anyone who thinks the guy in the intro isn't Vic is either a fool or can't accept facts.

This :)





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