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Victor Vance was NOT the chopper guy
Posted 26 April 2013 - 08:47 AM
Regardless of what some bottom feeder rockstar new york comment answering person said - the guy at the drug deal in the CHOPPER scene is NOT vic vance.
Vic Vance is the guy at the NYC drug deal, hanging on a meat hook. Same Face profile, same suit, too.
Vic Vance is the dead guy on the very opening scene of VC. The VERY FIRST scenes, telling you, it is HIM because it picks up from where he later left off in VCS
Vic takes over VC, visits LC, gets killed, and that is why they send tommy in to take over now that they killed the boss. Tommy would NOT be there before vic was dead, period. So it is not him in the chopper scene, and it IS him, visually, story wise (fade in on first scene), all of it, it is him on the hook. It is NOT him at the VC drug deal.
Look at this video. Look at the bloody play button thumbnail - that's vic in the closet
That is him. Because why else would there be a bald black guy in a Vance suit in that closet? I have seen people say "duh, cause it's the mafia, it's just a random detail". No, it isn't. NO movie has anything on screen that isn't planned - same goes for the series that prides itself on borrowing from movies. It is there for a reason, it is not just a set piece, it IS vic vance.
No reason other than the cold hard facts and truth - Vic Vance did not die in the chopper scene, he died before the opening scene of the game. Just as he was the last person we heard from in 1984, he was also the first person we see in 1986.
Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:03 AM
And if you look closely, the guy flying the chopper is Lance. After that deal Lance is also trying to find out who ripped off the coke deal and find out who killed his brother.
Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:17 AM
Explain the body with vic's suit and vic's head.
Explain why you think some website worker who is not even employed at rockstar NORTH would know better than the evidence I presented in their own game?
Explain the body on the hook. Explain why they would even send tommy if they hadn't already taken care of vic.
Explain the cuban helicopter guy's cuban accent and LACK of the suit and head we see in the opening scene of VC? We left off with vic in VCS, and pick back up at his dead body in VC. You can wear the body's outfit in VCS, you CANNOT wear the cuban's outfit.
Clearly. Even if he wasn't even planned to be his own game, that is what that body is hanging there to signify.
This game prides itself on taking after film. It even purposefully targets a 30fps to "look more filmic" in their own words years ago - EVERY prop in a movie scene is intentional. And NO prop in a video game is unintentional. So please, I am loving the opportunity to debate it, but you really need to explain that body looking exactly like vic, and the chopper cuban sharing NOTHING in common with vic vance, while the body on the hook is Vic's suit, Vic's bald head, and even looks like vic would look asleep/dead with no life left in his face, but same profile - so really, it is obvious R*Q made a mistake...
They never would have been talking about sending someone to vice city unless they had just killed the boss of the place and hung him on a hook anyway.
It's so obvious, isn't it? It is great cinematography and foreshadowing. R*Q is Wrong.
Edited by brian., 26 April 2013 - 09:22 AM.
Posted 26 April 2013 - 01:53 PM
Secondly, he probably had a cuban accent because as others have said; Vic wasen't planned to have his own game at the time.
So quite frankly, he would atleast have a different voice actor, rather than the one roled for VCS, so that's most likely why he's Cuban.
Also, the guy on the hook looks nothing like Vic, and again, they didn't plan for Vic to have his own game so they wouldn't of planned the person on the hook to be him.
Not to mention that it's been two whole years, he could've changed accent somehow, he would have different clothes, and he's older so he would look different, even though he looks very, very much alike to Vic from VCS, rather than the person on the hook who looks nothing like him.
Posted 26 April 2013 - 03:07 PM
Posted 26 April 2013 - 03:12 PM
Edited by GTARandom, 26 April 2013 - 03:14 PM.
Posted 26 April 2013 - 03:25 PM
How do I know?Because TripleAs(one of the modders here) extracted that guys model and rigged it to work ingame.Link: http://www.gtagarage...how.php?id=8208
Posted 26 April 2013 - 09:41 PM
|"Hey Rockstar! I've been a huge fan of Vice City... and was wondering; is that Victor Vance who is gunned down in the intro of Vice City? All sources seem to say "yes", but no official word has been given on that."|
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|Yup... that's Vic. After having been dragged back into the Vice City criminal underworld by his brother Lance following the events of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories, Vic Vance dies in the ambush that occurs in the opening scene of Grand Theft Auto: Vice City.|
Posted 26 April 2013 - 10:02 PM
But let's assume I'm wrong:
WHO is the body then?
I covered that "confirmation" by a website worker. The website worker does not work at rockstar north, rockstar leeds, nor was the website worker likely involved in the development of vcs at all.
And I have to ask:
Even if he wasn't designed yet, even if it was vic at the chopper deal, why would they not use a cuban accent for the sake of continuity? Exactly. It's not him, it's just not, R*Q is wrong, I bet if we asked more and showed this thread, he would have to recheck his answer.
Edited by brian., 26 April 2013 - 10:05 PM.
Posted 27 April 2013 - 03:39 PM
Posted 28 April 2013 - 02:09 PM
|QUOTE (darkdayz @ Friday, Apr 26 2013, 22:41)|
| It was him, confirmed by Rockstar games.|
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The Link doesn't work. Please Edit that.
And brian, it's Victor Vance.. He's the one who did in the ambush. If you played VCS and VC you should know that. Because Lance is talking to Tommy about his dead brother. In VCS you can also learn more about the Vance Family. They're mostly all drug addict.
Edited by countergame, 28 April 2013 - 02:13 PM.
Posted 29 April 2013 - 12:22 AM
Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:01 AM
Let's see someone ask them who the meat hook guy is and why he looks so much like vic vance. then we will see what's what
Posted 29 April 2013 - 10:33 AM
|QUOTE (brian. @ Monday, Apr 29 2013, 10:01)|
|He has to have a purpose. He can't just be there for no reason.|
No he don't, the only reason he is there is to show people that these mafia guys mean business.
Posted 29 April 2013 - 07:45 PM
|QUOTE (brian. @ Friday, Apr 26 2013, 03:47)|
|Regardless of what some bottom feeder rockstar new york comment answering person said - the guy at the drug deal in the CHOPPER scene is NOT vic vance|
Then who do we believe then? Stupid conspiracy nut
Posted 29 April 2013 - 09:17 PM
Posted 30 April 2013 - 07:18 AM
Posted 01 May 2013 - 01:36 PM
Posted 01 May 2013 - 02:46 PM
And besides, just because the hanged guy looks like Vic, doesn't mean it's him, probably it's just to create some detail, or something.
Posted 01 May 2013 - 11:28 PM
Do you think we should ask them who is the guy on the hook and put it to rest? If they say it is just a prop I will be severely disappointed that it was a thoughtless prop, just doesn't make sense. Could have just been a closed door to a closet for all that.
I only say that stuff about R*Q to get the most passionate fans in here
Posted 02 May 2013 - 02:13 PM
And to settle it for you one last time:
Rockstar didn't plan to make Vice City Stories at the time they were making Vice City, that's why Victor isn't perfected at the time, but the in-game dialogue, and everything else, says he is the man who dies in that scene. When they had decided to make him, they needed a more proffesional voice actor and that's why he changed so much.
The guy in the closet IS JUST A PROP. It's not pointless though, it makes a statement right in the beginning what kind of game this is and that the bad guys don't play. And makes the scene more interesting than a ''closed closet'' would. Also it may, or may not be an homage to some movies scene where something similar was shown in a mafia movie.
When they sent Tommy to Vice, they didn't do it because they had cleared the city for him by killing the main drug boss in town. Vance crime family moved out of Vice in 1984 and Ricardo Diaz took over as the main man, and remain on that position until Tommy killed him. And mafia sent Tommy to Vice just to have him outside of Liberty as that was ''bad for business'' due to his massacre that originally landed him in jail.
So in short, the Forelli's sent Tommy as soon as he gout out of jail, with no big plan other that setting up a drug deal to get him started but we all know how that ended. And in the end Lance Vance works with the mafia. Why would he do that if they had previously killed his brother. Now please, stop trolling.
Posted 02 May 2013 - 06:25 PM
2000th post btw
Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:06 AM
Posted 26 May 2013 - 04:46 AM
Posted 26 May 2013 - 01:56 PM
|QUOTE (DE4TH @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 04:06)|
|just like there's no point to the severed head in the biker club|
Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:57 PM
|QUOTE (lolleroz @ Sunday, May 26 2013, 05:56)|
|QUOTE (OlegWogo @ Friday, Nov 8 2002, 09:58)|
| ...go into the Bar and take the mission. Please note during the conversation with Mitch that there is a severed head on the floor of the Bar.|
Mission: "Messing With The Man"@ :46.
Edited by Niall, 26 May 2013 - 07:00 PM.
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