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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:30 PM

QUOTE (Ferocious Banger @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 14:19)
QUOTE (Jordan_Philip @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 17:17)
QUOTE (Ferocious Banger @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 08:05)
So, the possible sizes are:


1)  6.5 sq miles ( 25% of 26.05 )
2)  3.9 sq miles ( 1/8 of 31.65
3)  3.25 square miles ( 1/8 of 26.05)
4)  5.2 sq miles ( 25% of 20.8 )
5)  6.24 sq miles ( 30% of 20.8 )
6)  3.5 square miles (20.8 -11.4 - 5.9 )

The mean of the above figures = 4.765 sq miles.

Or none of them

It willbe one of those sizes.

We'll see.. dozingoff.gif

Your sizes are only estimates based on the images, previews etc. No official word directly from R* and an exact size in square miles.
It could be 3.8 (instead of 3.9) or 6.3 (instead of 6.5) sq miles.

Unless you aren't being serious, then nevermind.


It's always funny - or astounding - to see discussions like this.. arguing over the size of a virtual city with such exagerrated detail. You don't see that for any game ever except GTA.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:31 PM

So can anyone tell me if Los Santos (city area) is big or small?
I'm so confused.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Sef @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:31)
So can anyone tell me if Los Santos (city area) is big or small?
I'm so confused.

So far, it's not looking to be smaller than IV's entire landmass. I belive that's all we can say for sure.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Sef @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:31)
So can anyone tell me if Los Santos (city area) is big or small?
I'm so confused.

Los Santos size is slightly smaller than LC .

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:34 PM

QUOTE (Cyberzone2 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:33)
QUOTE (Sef @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:31)
So can anyone tell me if Los Santos (city area) is big or small?
I'm so confused.

Los Santos size is slightly smaller than LC .

Alright, that's good enough for me.
Thanks for the answer.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:39 PM

QUOTE (Sef @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 14:34)
QUOTE (Cyberzone2 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:33)
QUOTE (Sef @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:31)
So can anyone tell me if Los Santos (city area) is big or small?
I'm so confused.

Los Santos size is slightly smaller than LC .

Alright, that's good enough for me.
Thanks for the answer.

Actually, it's slightly bigger than LC.

You see, we never can be sure.. altough it looks more like that it will be smaller than LC if you count the rivers in between the islands of LC. Or whatever. That's only a estimate after all the screenshots and that's definitely not taht accurate, especially if there is always a chance that we haven't seen entire neighborhoods yet. But the "anti-RDF" is confident that it's not the case.

Take your pick after reading 140 pages.

For a group it's too small, for another group it's the perfect size.. is there any group that thinks LS is too large? Kinda doubtful I would say..

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:50 PM

QUOTE (ALeSsAnDrO @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:18)
Can we be done with the stupid lines and dots over screenshots?
It's dumb and anything but accurate. It's like you guys never heard of perspective.

All we can talk about is our feeling when we compare pictures. We feel and predict that this city will be smaller than the previous one.
There's no science to it, sure, it's purely based on what we can see and it's not confirmed.

Again, so far, based on what we've seen there's little chance Los Santos turns out to be bigger.
Anyone saying otherwise is expecting some more screenshots to be released revealing unknown areas of the city.

Considering the "feel" is subjective, why do you need to state it as fact that the city is smaller? A lot of people, myself included, think it's about the same as LC.
And truth be told, there are still many areas that we haven't seen. Just take a look at the aerial screenshots, most of them are from the same angles every time and we know for a fact that there are areas that we haven't seen yet, we can only speculate how big they are.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:53 PM

QUOTE (Deacon Bosco @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:33)
QUOTE (Sef @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:31)
So can anyone tell me if Los Santos (city area) is big or small?
I'm so confused.

So far, it's not looking to be smaller than IV's entire landmass. I belive that's all we can say for sure.

Errm, I don't know about that. Quite a number people on this thread don't see what you see with their eyes.

Right now, LS looks a little bit smaller than LC as what the screenshots show. This may change later, but right now that is how it looks of a number of people, including myself.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 12:59 PM

QUOTE (Freezer89 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:39)
Take your pick after reading 140 pages.

I pick voluntary euthanasia.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (Official General @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 07:53)
QUOTE (Deacon Bosco @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:33)
QUOTE (Sef @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:31)
So can anyone tell me if Los Santos (city area) is big or small?
I'm so confused.

So far, it's not looking to be smaller than IV's entire landmass. I belive that's all we can say for sure.

Errm, I don't know about that. Quite a number people on this thread don't see what you see with their eyes.

Right now, LS looks a little bit smaller than LC as what the screenshots show. This may change later, but right now that is how it looks of a number of people, including myself.

For some reason, I believe people will say the same thing come release. dozingoff.gif Right now, you can't really determine whether Los Santos is smaller or bigger. And what baffles me is that you all won't include the hills in comparison to Liberty City. The hills ARE part of the city and they do add a lot of space.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:17 PM

QUOTE (Official General @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 14:53)
QUOTE (Deacon Bosco @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:33)
So far, it's not looking to be smaller than IV's entire landmass. I belive that's all we can say for sure.

Errm, I don't know about that. Quite a number people on this thread don't see what you see with their eyes.

Well, he is talking about landmass, not total area. The map in GTA IV is around 6.25 square miles big, but the landmass at its own is obviously significantly smaller than that; I'm not sure how big exactly but if I remember correctly, it was less than 4 square miles.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Kifflom112 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 13:07)
And what baffles me is that you all won't include the hills in comparison to Liberty City. The hills ARE part of the city and they do add a lot of space.

I think the fact LS won't be an island, will make it seem even larger than LC (if it is of similar or slightly smaller size). I'm betting there are lots of things on the outskirts of the city like Rockstars version of the Greek Theater

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (Kifflom112 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 13:07)
And what baffles me is that you all won't include the hills in comparison to Liberty City. The hills ARE part of the city and they do add a lot of space.

Well I only consider the Vinewood hill and Rockford Hills as part of the urban city, as the hills to the east of LS contain no buildings or structures of any sort as evidenced by the night time jet screen. In that pic you can clearly see where the city lights culminate at the foot of the hills. So, yeah, I don't really regard that particular area as being part of the cities capacity.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 02:57 PM Edited by GTAfan786, 21 May 2013 - 03:05 PM.

Ferocious, i'm not sure if i read your calculations properly, but did you claim that the whole map size is 20.08 sq miles in number 4 and 5? Because if you did, that's wrong.

SA = 13.9 sq miles
RDR= 5.5 sq miles (playable area)
IV = 6.25

Add all that together, you get 25.65 or if you round it up, it's 25.7 sq miles.

So if LS is 25% of 25.65 = 6.41 sq miles
Or if its 30 % = 7.695 sq miles = 7.7 basically

Its one of these. (I think, don't bash me )

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Kifflom112 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 13:07)
Right now, you can't really determine whether Los Santos is smaller or bigger. And what baffles me is that you all won't include the hills in comparison to Liberty City. The hills ARE part of the city and they do add a lot of space.

Of course I cannot determine if Los Santos is bigger or smaller than Liberty City (IV), and numerous times I have stated this. But I can get a preliminary estimate and rough idea, based on what my eyes can see from the screenshots of LS so far. Now my view could turn out to be wrong, but right now my eyes tell me that they are not.

Hills ? To me they are just hills around the city and nothing much else. Not of any real significance if I cannot see suburbs and ghettos anywhere around them to clearly indicate that it's part of the city.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:37 PM

QUOTE (GTAfan786 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 14:57)
Ferocious, i'm not sure if i read your calculations properly, but did you claim that the whole map size is 20.08 sq miles in number 4 and 5? Because if you did, that's wrong.

SA = 13.9 sq miles
RDR= 5.5 sq miles (playable area)
IV = 6.25

Add all that together, you get 25.65 or if you round it up, it's 25.7 sq miles.

So if LS is 25% of 25.65 = 6.41 sq miles
Or if its 30 % = 7.695 sq miles = 7.7 basically

Its one of these. (I think, don't bash me )

RDR playable area is bigger than IV though.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 03:46 PM

QUOTE (GTAfan786 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 20:27)
Ferocious, i'm not sure if i read your calculations properly, but did you claim that the whole map size is 20.08 sq miles in number 4 and 5? Because if you did, that's wrong.

SA = 13.9 sq miles
RDR= 5.5 sq miles (playable area)
IV = 6.25

Add all that together, you get 25.65 or if you round it up, it's 25.7 sq miles.

So if LS is 25% of 25.65 = 6.41 sq miles
Or if its 30 % = 7.695 sq miles = 7.7 basically

Its one of these. (I think, don't bash me )

The playable "land area" alone was taken into consideration, mate.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 04:36 PM

QUOTE (Official General @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 10:02)
QUOTE (Kifflom112 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 13:07)
Right now, you can't really determine whether Los Santos is smaller or bigger. And what baffles me is that you all won't include the hills in comparison to Liberty City. The hills ARE part of the city and they do add a lot of space.

Of course I cannot determine if Los Santos is bigger or smaller than Liberty City (IV), and numerous times I have stated this. But I can get a preliminary estimate and rough idea, based on what my eyes can see from the screenshots of LS so far. Now my view could turn out to be wrong, but right now my eyes tell me that they are not.

Hills ? To me they are just hills around the city and nothing much else. Not of any real significance if I cannot see suburbs and ghettos anywhere around them to clearly indicate that it's part of the city.

Evidently, I'm referring to the hills that contain mansions and the observatory itself.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:31 PM

So much B.S. in the beginning. ls is slightly larger than lc if not same size including river.

A lot of people here are basing their assumptions on screenshot. Nuff said

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:48 PM

QUOTE (Skitzo100 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 17:31)
So much B.S. in the beginning. ls is slightly larger than lc if not same size including river.

A lot of people here are basing their assumptions on screenshot. Nuff said

Its been 140+ pages of repeating the same "facts" over and over. There hasnt been anything new to discuss since page 1

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

QUOTE (GTAaLEX117 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 06:02)

How big do you think the distance is between the Bank tower and the hills on the left?


Looks about the same as the distance from the Bank Tower to the beach.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:25 PM

QUOTE (Ferocious Banger @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 15:46)
QUOTE (GTAfan786 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 20:27)
Ferocious, i'm not sure if i read your calculations properly, but did you claim that the whole map size is 20.08 sq miles in number 4 and 5? Because if you did, that's wrong.

SA = 13.9 sq miles
RDR= 5.5 sq miles (playable area)
IV = 6.25

Add all that together, you get 25.65 or if you round it up, it's 25.7 sq miles.

So if LS is 25% of 25.65 = 6.41 sq miles
Or if its 30 % = 7.695 sq miles = 7.7 basically

Its one of these. (I think, don't bash me )

The playable "land area" alone was taken into consideration, mate.

Okay, cheers.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 06:27 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 17:59)
QUOTE (GTAaLEX117 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 06:02)

How big do you think the distance is between the Bank tower and the hills on the left?


Looks about the same as the distance from the Bank Tower to the beach.

http://i.imgur.com/5rrTxY6.jpg

Well, by using your method, it looks to be at least 1.8 km long (though it can be even bigger considering the image is incomplete).
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE (GTAaLEX117 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:27)

Well, by using your method, it looks to be at least 1.8 km long (though it can be even bigger considering the image is incomplete).
http://i1173.photobu...spectiveill.jpg

First of all, with the fog in that picture, you can't really tell where the base of the building is. Plus, that picture is warped. Notice how the buildings are leaning in towards the center.

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I can't get the buildings to lean inward like that in IV.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 07:45 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 19:25)
QUOTE (GTAaLEX117 @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 12:27)

Well, by using your method, it looks to be at least 1.8 km long (though it can be even bigger considering the image is incomplete).
http://i1173.photobu...spectiveill.jpg

First of all, with the fog in that picture, you can't really tell where the base of the building is. Plus, that picture is warped. Notice how the buildings are leaning in towards the center.

http://i.imgur.com/6EbgxOs.jpg

I can't get the buildings to lean inward like that in IV.

I think you can say that about most of these pictures. Look at the observatory one, the buildings are clearly leaning to the left and you can't really see the base of the bank building because of the other building in front of it.
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In the Vinewood shot, I think I got the height of the building just right. Either that or it's a bit smaller. Again, this is only from my perspective so it may be wrong.
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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:15 PM

There's some kind of effect stretching the ends out.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:31 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Tuesday, May 21 2013, 20:15)
There's some kind of effect stretching the ends out.

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What do you mean by stretching out? I can't really tell because the photos aren't exactly high res.
And btw, is the photo below from the same angle? If that's the case, then it looks like the distance between the bank tower and the hills can easily be 2 - 2.5 km or more.

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Posted 21 May 2013 - 08:37 PM

Man, I love the comparisons you guys make. Keep up the good work. icon14.gif


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Posted 21 May 2013 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE (The Scottish Guy @ Monday, May 20 2013, 19:53)
QUOTE (kibbutz1 @ Monday, May 20 2013, 16:49)
QUOTE (The Scottish Guy @ Sunday, May 19 2013, 22:28)
QUOTE (kibbutz1 @ Sunday @  May 19 2013, 21:25)
I think anyone who thinks LS is going to be twice LC is dreaming.


Well I personally think an LS 2x the size of LC is also unreasonable, given we're getting a very large, diverse countryside/desert.

QUOTE (kibbutz1 @ Sunday @ May 19 2013, 21:25)
based on what I'v seen here, LS looks likely to be between 90-110% of LC's land mass.


This isn't good enough for me, sorry. If you mean "90-110%" of IV's entire map (rivers included), then I'd be more than happy with this.

QUOTE (kibbutz1 @ Sunday @ May 19 2013, 21:25)
I can understand why people are complaining. I personally wouldn't be too happy if LS were smaller than LC


This is our beef here. We've waited over five years for a new GTA city, and to have it feel smaller than our last city, regardless of river area, is frankly unacceptable.

I'm slightly confused. My post was in no way loaded or arguing with anyone in particular, and yet you still replied in what I felt to be a slightly aggressive tone. I was just summarizing what I have seen here, trying to take a step back and put things into perspective, not weighing into the argument.

Em, what? How in the hell was my post aggressive? If anything, I was actually agreeing with you in my first reply about LS being 2x LC as an unreasonable request.

QUOTE (kibbutz1 @ Monday @ May 20 2013, 18:04)
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It was mainly this line: "This isn't good enough for me, sorry."


That came across as aggressive to you? confused.gif

QUOTE (kibbutz1 @ Monday @ May 20 2013, 18:04)
I had merely commented on what I judged to be a summary of what I have seen here.


I know you did. All I did was try to explain why some of us are a little unhappy at what we're seeing. There was absolutely nothing attacking about by response to you, but if you felt there was, then I sincerely apologise.

Ah, sorry, I was just being overly sensitive. I never was good at judging people's tone, especially in writing. You'll have to excuse me. You're entitled to your opinion that 100% land mass of IV wouldn't be good enough for you. I think I would be fine with it, but as you say it really depends on how it feels. It may be that the rivers in IV really did make it feel spread out.

As an aside, just for some fun, I superimposed an image of IV's map with a mile marker on it as indicated here: http://www.gtaforums...howtopic=531982
over a similarly scaled map of the town I'm living in (Reading, UK). Turns out when I drive to get my weekly shopping, I actually drive the equivalent of the distance from star junction to Bohan each way! I never really appreciated how small the city area is until I had something I could directly relate it to!

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Posted 22 May 2013 - 02:49 AM

I put this image together of aerial views from downtown looking in all 4 directions. It's nothing new or special, I'm just posting it in case anyone else would like to see them all together.

http://i.imgur.com/DcYW0wM.jpg




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