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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:20 AM

QUOTE (fgcarva1 @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 21:15)
QUOTE (deffpony @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 22:33)
You guys want to know how I heard he died...?  I was in the library at my university campus studying. Suddenly I heard a group of people talking loudly in Spanish. Then it became almost a roar of cheering.

As I left the library there were hundreds of people cheering. My school has ALOT of Venezuelans that attend. I asked one of them, who was waving a Venezuelan flag, what was going on. I thought it was some soccer game or some sh*t.

He told me Chavez was dead and Venezuela was saved. Out of the hundreds of Venezuelans I know, yes hundreds, I have never met one person who supported Chavez.

I was in a house full of Venezuelan people on the day of the 2012 election. I barely knew anyone and everyone was watching the Venezuelan news channel (the one that the logo is a red, blue and yellow V, forgot the name) and when the elections were announced for Chavez, not Capriles, people were crying. It was almost overwhelming being there since I am not Venezuelan, but still, a moment that solidified my negative opinion on Chavez.

Exactly. I think once you see how much his country hates him there is nothing that can make him seem decent again.

I remember the election too. There were like 6 fights at school the next day from Americans telling Venezuelan kids to get over it. My fb is flooded with praises of his death in Spanish.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:00 AM

I'm not saying he was an amazing person and leader, I'm just trying to point out he doesn't deserve all the hate he's getting, a lot of which is just complete lies. Things like "He was one of the worst dictators in the world" is just not a true reflection at all. I'm only saying that he did a lot to help out the ordinary working class people who actually live in Venezuela.

In 2000 the UN set out it's so called "Millennium Development Goals" which all nations pledged to try and address. These were 8 goals designed to try and fight social and development problems, stuff like hunger, illiteracy and infant mortality. And in all 8 Venezuela excelled, the president of the general assembly of the United Nations even referred to Venezuela as being a model for all other countries. The lives of the poor in Venezuela improved, access to health care and education greatly improved. It's a fact.

"under-nutrition was lowered drastically from its 1998-2000 level of 21% to its 2005-2007 level of 6%"

"In 2008, the children under-five mortality rate was 16.35 per every 1,000 births, a 49% decrease from 1990"

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:07 AM

Stu: I agree. He wasn't this generations hitler or anything.

As far as all the good he has done, I wish I could find the article I read last year, but apparently it's widely accepted that its all lies. Supposedly Chavez bought the right people and spread some sort of Venezuela Prosperity propaganda.

I don't know what the truth is. I just know he wasn't good for thy country, even if he did some good.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:28 AM

The fact that people are celebrating his untimely demise is pretty telling.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:30 AM

QUOTE (Raavi @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 22:28)
The fact that people are celebrating his untimely demise is pretty telling.

I can name 10 restaraunts that are having a all night happy hour right now with Venezuelans flags outside lol

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:41 AM

Oh, by all means, he was no Hitler, but he harmed Venezuela and Latin America more than fixing it... he did some good, but he did more bad. Closing a dozen radio and TV channels, newspapers, etc. Shut them all down if they opposed his administration. Various allegations of rigged elections (but then again, that happens everywhere), millions of Venezuelans who migrated abroad after that one April 2002 issue which has been mentioned, supporting FARC which in no ways is even comparable to any other terrorist group (say, the IRA or the Basque Party), the FARC kidnaps and murders hundreds of innocent people, they are not political. He has created a sh*tstorm in the continent and with him out of the question I'm sure tensions will die down.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:42 AM

Those GODDAMN Mexicans. Now that they have no president maybe THEY'LL GO BACK TO THEIR f*ckING COUNTRY.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:49 AM

QUOTE (Anti_Communist_Hero @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 22:42)
Those GODDAMN Mexicans. Now that they have no president maybe THEY'LL GO BACK TO THEIR f*ckING COUNTRY.

So whats your other account?

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:53 AM

QUOTE (Greenline @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (Anti_Communist_Hero @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 22:42)
Those GODDAMN Mexicans. Now that they have no president maybe THEY'LL GO BACK TO THEIR f*ckING COUNTRY.

So whats your other account?

Ignore him. He ll be gone soon

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:14 AM

So is that Nicholas Maduro guy the next president?

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 05:46 AM

QUOTE (GTAb0yWonder @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 02:14)
So is that Nicholas Maduro guy the next president?

He's the interim President for the next 30 days until elections are held.

Quite strange to be honest that he's 'interim' President. In most countries, if the President died, the VP would take over for the remainder of the term (given it's a Presidentialist system, of course).

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:44 AM Edited by MIKON8ERISBACK, 06 March 2013 - 06:46 AM.

He was admitted to a Cuban hospital and was never heard from again. He most likely died at the hospital either the day of or shortly after his surgery. I've been following this story for months. Since December of 2012, the media went out of their way to cover up the fact that it happened. He was a horrible dictator that repeatedly gave the Western World the big middle finger every step of the way. He hated anybody who didn't fit his ideology and created a country with some of the lowest press freedom rankings in the world.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 00:08)
To hate the man simply because he was a socialist is naive. He was one of the few in the world who actually stood up to the greed of corporate multinationals and put the people of his nation first.

What, by stealing land from those who had worked hard all their lives to produce something, and then leaving it to fester as a symbol of why never to be successful in Venezuela? By implementing government-run cartels and personally financially profiting from his brand of Socialism? Supporting terrorist organisations trying to undermine the governments in Peru and Colombia, and also effectively contributing towards international drug smuggling by doing so? By rigging elections using violence, bribery and extortion to ensure that he remained in power?

He was a borderline-dictator. I won't miss him and nor will history.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:48 AM Edited by Distrom, 06 March 2013 - 08:52 AM.

QUOTE (GTAb0yWonder @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 05:14)
So is that Nicholas Maduro guy the next president?

No, for 30 days Diosdado Cabello (another asshole), as he is the president of the
aational Assembly, he would be the president for 30 days, then they must call for elections, where Maduro will be candidate for the elections, vs Capriles again maybe, now that Chavez is dead, I wonder if that f*cking bus driver Maduro could cheat on the elections (like they have been doing for years), because if he loose, all those corrupt bastards who ruined this country will go to jail.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:59 AM

QUOTE (Typhus @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 23:13)
QUOTE (Ryan @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 23:08)
To hate the man simply because he was a socialist is naive.

He wasn't a Socialist. A true Socialist doesn't establish a personality cult, which Chavez did.
He was a populist, nothing more. And I have never known a populist that could be trusted with even the slightest amount of power.
A populist, a braggart, an aspiring tyrant. But not a Socialist. Not in any true sense of the word.

Utterly agreed. He's probably given socialism its worst reputation since the National Socialists of Germany. It seems that for all the good of socialism, tyranny in the veil of apparent 'socialism' is destroying the perception of it.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (Mark @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 08:59)
QUOTE (Typhus @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 23:13)
QUOTE (Ryan @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 23:08)
To hate the man simply because he was a socialist is naive.

He wasn't a Socialist. A true Socialist doesn't establish a personality cult, which Chavez did.
He was a populist, nothing more. And I have never known a populist that could be trusted with even the slightest amount of power.
A populist, a braggart, an aspiring tyrant. But not a Socialist. Not in any true sense of the word.

Utterly agreed. He's probably given socialism its worst reputation since the National Socialists of Germany. It seems that for all the good of socialism, tyranny in the veil of apparent 'socialism' is destroying the perception of it.

Yes he did man smile.gif , he was also corrupt, a thief, his "XXI century Socialism" bullsh*t only ruined Venezuela.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 04:38)
To hate the man simply because he was a socialist is naive. He was one of the few in the world who actually stood up to the greed of corporate multinationals and put the people of his nation first. Just look at what he did for the poor by providing housing and education.

True man. He was a very good leader in my opinion. R.I.P.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:19 PM

RIP Chavez.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:26 PM

Every time one of the 'crazy' leaders dies, I always hope for a sweeping revolution of change for their country...and it never happens.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 02:55 PM

QUOTE (Ryan @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 07:08)
To hate the man simply because he was a socialist is naive. He was one of the few in the world who actually stood up to the greed of corporate multinationals and put the people of his nation first. Just look at what he did for the poor by providing housing and education.

To simply put it up, he's more personally better than Fidel Castro IMO.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 06:51 PM

How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:01 PM Edited by Distrom, 06 March 2013 - 07:04 PM.

QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 18:51)
How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

No, he was a cancer himself, he destroyed Venezuela.

How dare you to defend a guy who sold our country for the cubans and other LA coutries by giving them our oil and money, threatening venezuelas, funding armed paratrooper groups to keep fear on the people, his dead is the best thing could happen for the last 15 years.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Distrom @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:01)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 18:51)
How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

No, he was a cancer himself, he destroyed Venezuela.

How dare you to defend a guy who sold our country for the cubans and other LA coutries by giving them our oil and money, threatening venezuelas, funding armed paratrooper groups to keep fear on the people, his dead is the best thing could happen for the last 15 years.

No he didn't how could you say that!?
You must be one of those brainwashed Enrique Capriles fans.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:12)
QUOTE (Distrom @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:01)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 18:51)
How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

No, he was a cancer himself, he destroyed Venezuela.

How dare you to defend a guy who sold our country for the cubans and other LA coutries by giving them our oil and money, threatening venezuelas, funding armed paratrooper groups to keep fear on the people, his dead is the best thing could happen for the last 15 years.

No he didn't how could you say that!?
You must be one of those brainwashed Enrique Capriles fans.

suicidal.gif Here, pull it.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:15 PM

QUOTE (fgcarva1 @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 05:46)
QUOTE (GTAb0yWonder @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 02:14)
So is that Nicholas Maduro guy the next president?

He's the interim President for the next 30 days until elections are held.

Quite strange to be honest that he's 'interim' President. In most countries, if the President died, the VP would take over for the remainder of the term (given it's a Presidentialist system, of course).

Real Democracy.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:25 PM

QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:12)
QUOTE (Distrom @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:01)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 18:51)
How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

No, he was a cancer himself, he destroyed Venezuela.

How dare you to defend a guy who sold our country for the cubans and other LA coutries by giving them our oil and money, threatening venezuelas, funding armed paratrooper groups to keep fear on the people, his dead is the best thing could happen for the last 15 years.

No he didn't how could you say that!?
You must be one of those brainwashed Enrique Capriles fans.

Capriles is another idiot, so is the opposition, they let this corrupt goverment do whatever they want, even if it's against the constitution, like that Bullsh*t that Chavez could be reelected when he wanted to due to his disease.

I think you are the brainwashed one, the country is even worse that it used to be 15 years ago, and people are still seeing hope and belive in this fake socialism. turn.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:32 PM

QUOTE (Distrom @ Thursday, Mar 7 2013, 08:25)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:12)
QUOTE (Distrom @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:01)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 18:51)
How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

No, he was a cancer himself, he destroyed Venezuela.

How dare you to defend a guy who sold our country for the cubans and other LA coutries by giving them our oil and money, threatening venezuelas, funding armed paratrooper groups to keep fear on the people, his dead is the best thing could happen for the last 15 years.

No he didn't how could you say that!?
You must be one of those brainwashed Enrique Capriles fans.

Capriles is another idiot, so is the opposition, they let this corrupt goverment do whatever they want, even if it's against the constitution, like that Bullsh*t that Chavez could be reelected when he wanted to due to his disease.

I think you are the brainwashed one, the country is even worse that it used to be 15 years ago, and people are still seeing hope and belive in this fake socialism. turn.gif

If you hate it so much, why are you living there? Why don't you leave?

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (AceRay @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:32)
QUOTE (Distrom @ Thursday, Mar 7 2013, 08:25)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:12)
QUOTE (Distrom @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:01)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 18:51)
How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

No, he was a cancer himself, he destroyed Venezuela.

How dare you to defend a guy who sold our country for the cubans and other LA coutries by giving them our oil and money, threatening venezuelas, funding armed paratrooper groups to keep fear on the people, his dead is the best thing could happen for the last 15 years.

No he didn't how could you say that!?
You must be one of those brainwashed Enrique Capriles fans.

Capriles is another idiot, so is the opposition, they let this corrupt goverment do whatever they want, even if it's against the constitution, like that Bullsh*t that Chavez could be reelected when he wanted to due to his disease.

I think you are the brainwashed one, the country is even worse that it used to be 15 years ago, and people are still seeing hope and belive in this fake socialism. turn.gif

If you hate it so much, why are you living there? Why don't you leave?

Do you think leaving your country is that easy? you have to plan what will you do after you get out, finding a job, home, or any other thing, No that Chavez is dead I want to see what will change in the upcomming years, it all depens in what will happen in a very near future wink.gif

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 07:43 PM

QUOTE (AceRay @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 14:32)
QUOTE (Distrom @ Thursday, Mar 7 2013, 08:25)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:12)
QUOTE (Distrom @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 19:01)
QUOTE (Jackath @ Wednesday, Mar 6 2013, 18:51)
How dare you insult a great man, he was amazing.

No, he was a cancer himself, he destroyed Venezuela.

How dare you to defend a guy who sold our country for the cubans and other LA coutries by giving them our oil and money, threatening venezuelas, funding armed paratrooper groups to keep fear on the people, his dead is the best thing could happen for the last 15 years.

No he didn't how could you say that!?
You must be one of those brainwashed Enrique Capriles fans.

Capriles is another idiot, so is the opposition, they let this corrupt goverment do whatever they want, even if it's against the constitution, like that Bullsh*t that Chavez could be reelected when he wanted to due to his disease.

I think you are the brainwashed one, the country is even worse that it used to be 15 years ago, and people are still seeing hope and belive in this fake socialism. turn.gif

If you hate it so much, why are you living there? Why don't you leave?

This is a perfect example of someone who has no idea what it's like in other parts of the world. Don't you realize how expensive and logistically difficult it is to move to another country.

Do you think you, by yourself, would be able to move to the US within the next 12 months???

I don't mean any of this in a condescending or negative tone

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:15 PM

Just read this and thought it would add to the discussion. Written by a Venezuelan on CNN's iReport website.

10 reasons why [I] will not miss Chavez




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