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#31

Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:22 AM

rolleyes.gif Blowing up cars and burning old ladies is okay, but bad language isn't? What da' hell, dude?!
Look, I played GTA at a young age and characters cussed. It didn't affect me negatively in any way.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:23 AM

@OP...

I think you should be more concerned about the activities in GTA rather than the profanity...

Bottom line is, if you think your kids are too young for profanity, they shouldn't be playing games like GTA.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:28 AM

No, it's a game made for adults, which means it should include all the foul language it wants.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:35 AM

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There is a mute button for a reason.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:37 AM

QUOTE (blowtorchrepair @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:12)
yes, you get my point.

for the rest of the posters who did not read (or understand) my post and assume that I want to buy GTA V for my child, that is not my point.


QUOTE (Cosmic Gypsy @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:23)
Bottom line is, if you think your kids are too young for profanity, they shouldn't be playing games like GTA.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:41 AM

Well I won't repeat what is obvious and everyone said already, the game isn't for kids or "sensible people". Same way you don't show videos or images that could hurt someones feelings/ perspectives you should do the same with a game that have that same indication.

Although you have a few options:

As for your kids if you want to show them a game with violence and misbehavior and give them a life lesson, while you're at it why not the rest? I mean what kind of teaching you're trying to pass? Listen kids, you can see and understand violence and crime but not swearing and nudity? I was raised with freedom about all this, my parents always gave me the choice and shown me everything, I was never forbidden of adult movies, swearing, violence or crime and not even about smoking or drinking. They gave me the chance to see for myself and gave me their learnings about it and I was able to decide by myself and I think was the best thing they could have done. I chose not to drink or smoke by myself, after knowing the consequences and the pros and cons of it, pornography I love it in fact I'm an Admin of a Sex Forum for some years now and never had a problem with it, I have a clean criminal record, and as for swearing sometimes I can be rude specially when I'm pissed of but I know when to stop and the effects that calling someone bad names could have some nasty consequences.

So you see, if you wanna teach your kids right, don't do like most of parents, don't cover the real world with some nice white sheets and tell them they are ghosts and they need to stay away, teach them what those are, what you think about it and what are their purpose, only that way they can learn things right.


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As for showing the "technical stuff" to people with who you're not very comfortable with, you have 3 options:

1 - Treat them like the adults they are and explain to them that the game is amazing in terms of technology but very controversial in terms of content, it may contain nudity, swearing, violence, crime, gore (I hope biggrin.gif ) ... after this brief explanation see how they react, they'll decide if they still wanna see or if they'll feel offended by it, in that case you better look for an alternative. But most likely they won't be affected, as a matter of fact you might learn something interesting about their personality, some of those guys that were fancy suits and look very snob are in fact more interesting then they look like.

2 - Treat them like children and turn the captions off and turn down the game volume and just show them the magnificent visuals.

3 - Keep the game as it is and play as a normal citizen, drive respectfully obey the traffic laws, don't engage with the police, don't run over anyone or set someone car on fire and you won't get any reactions involving bad words and obscenities.


These are just some suggestions to go around that problem, they could had something like that but I really doubt it, mostly because it doesn't make sense, it's like a pornographic movie without the sex scenes.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:46 AM

I could not bring my self to play GTA in front of my kids. The language would not concern me so much as all the violence. i would feel that all the Violence is my responsibility, and that it is my personal actions. I feel that profanity might be exposed to them in alot more different ways, and what they hear during gaming is the least of my concern

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE (Ted Bundy @ Monday, Feb 25 2013, 16:30)
You cannot play GTA with your child, you are going to see those things everywhere in the game.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 12:58 AM

QUOTE (djsinnema @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:46)
I could not bring my self to play GTA in front of my kids. The language would not concern me so much as all the violence. i would feel that all the Violence is my responsibility, and that it is my personal actions. I feel that profanity might be exposed to them in alot more different ways, and what they hear during gaming is the least of my concern

I'm talking about during times of driving around the map and exploring, watching the wildlife, etc., which there will be a lot of in V. I'm not talking about playing missions where I'm bashing in skulls with the kids in the room.

to a small child in the room, who is looking at the screen only half of the time, it very much matters what is coming through the speakers. Their little brains are on RECORD all of the time.

I don't want to MUTE the game, just the option to mute the trash language some of the time.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:14 AM

Think about all the stuff you saw or heard as a child. When you think about it, does bad language really matter? That and nudity should be the least of any parent's worries. If you don't make a big deal out of it, your kid won't give a f*ck. If you try to shield them from it, it makes them wanna act like little assholes and then it's f*ck this, f*ck that. And don't act like you can keep them away from something like language anyways. Kids at school use the worst language.

So no, censorship is a stupid f*cking idea.

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#41

Posted 26 February 2013 - 01:57 AM

I WOULD HONESTLY BE LOL'ING ALL THE WAY TO THE BANK

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:28 AM Edited by Chukkles, 26 February 2013 - 02:30 AM.

Get a headset...
Simple, when child walks in you can take them off and pay her the attention she deserves.
You get similar and equally effective results from the pause button.

Get some games to play with your child.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:31 AM

Ive played GTA games since I was little and yet I never swore when i was a child... I was told that it was bad to swear and thus i never did! Teach your kids that its bad to swear rather than expecting a filter.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:32 AM

dude, I've been playing gta since I was f*cking 9 years old. Don't worry, your children will turn out fine. You just have to encourage them not to be like the f*ckin ruthless protagonist, that's all.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:33 AM

Wow you're literally whats wrong with modern video games

"I dont want to do my job as a parent, so i'd appreciate it if you did it for me"

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:41 AM Edited by Rock Howard, 26 February 2013 - 02:43 AM.

QUOTE (blowtorchrepair @ Monday, Feb 25 2013, 22:12)
How many of you GTA fans are parents?  I am, and I must say with complete honesty that my only fear of exposing my child to my playing GTA IV (and soon GTA V) is not the guns, the violence, the car chases, or the shooting of various weapons.  My only fear is the exposure of a young mind that will repeat everything that it hears to the constant barrage of horrible comments, names, etc. spewed from from peds and other NPCs as I pass them in the game. 

Of course, some might say that the foul language is a part of GTA, or at least the modern GTA games, but after I've heard the ped/NPC character comments over several dozen times then the comments aren't really funny anymore, and the foul language is certainly not integral to simple game play such as driving around the map, exploring, etc.  When I want to play GTA IV in the presence of a young person I can say that it is the uncontrollable foul language of the game which makes this impossible. 

I would welcome the addition of some type of foul language filter for GTA V.  Something like this would, of course, be an optional toggle.

your thoughts?

Yes, I'm a parent and this game shouldn't have any modifications for kids because it shouldn't be being played by kids. The content of GTA V and games like it simply is not appropriate for kids. It is a game for adults, plain and simple. I don't play any of my violent games in front of my daughter, period because she should not be seeing or hearing that type of content.

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#47

Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:46 AM

A good parent should be able to tell their child not to repeat the terms, and explain to them why.

The game is rated M for a reason, dude. If you want to take the risk and expose your child to it, it's your responsibility to handle the situation.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 02:50 AM

They'd have to add alot of other filters; killing, prostitutes, ect.... if they want to clean the game up for kids. BUT - I, as an adult, wouldn't mind a profanity filter. I think bleeps can actually enhance things. Take South Park for example, I find the show to be more funny with the bleeps.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:05 AM

the M rating is filter enough, Learn how to be a responsible parent.

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#50

Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:08 AM

QUOTE (BlackNoise @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 01:14)
Think about all the stuff you saw or heard as a child. When you think about it, does bad language really matter? That and nudity should be the least of any parent's worries. If you don't make a big deal out of it, your kid won't give a f*ck. If you try to shield them from it, it makes them wanna act like little assholes and then it's f*ck this, f*ck that. And don't act like you can keep them away from something like language anyways. Kids at school use the worst language.

So no, censorship is a stupid f*cking idea.

I'm talking about toddler/preschool ages where a child is absorbing everything they hear and repeating all kinds of stuff heard from television, not a preteen or teenager.

it's not censorship... it's a specialized mute.

I mean for a measure such as this to help the parent gamers with very young children to sort of camouflage their game time a bit from such impressionable ears, and not as a complete removal of content from the game by any means.


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#51

Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:09 AM

QUOTE (blowtorchrepair @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:58)
QUOTE (djsinnema @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:46)
I could not bring my self to play GTA in front of my kids. The language would not concern me so much as all the violence. i would feel that all the  Violence is my responsibility, and that it is my personal actions. I feel that profanity might be exposed to them in alot more different ways, and what they hear during gaming is the least of my concern

I'm talking about during times of driving around the map and exploring, watching the wildlife, etc., which there will be a lot of in V. I'm not talking about playing missions where I'm bashing in skulls with the kids in the room.

to a small child in the room, who is looking at the screen only half of the time, it very much matters what is coming through the speakers. Their little brains are on RECORD all of the time.

I don't want to MUTE the game, just the option to mute the trash language some of the time.

Yes.

Like all the rest of the forum during this information vacuum, this topic was discussed before, with the same 99% of replies totally missing the point. It's impossible to search the forum for past topics, so I would not even know how to find it to make a link to reference it.

My point is this: 99% of the responders apparently cannot even imagine social situations outside their own little world. They literally cannot even imagine other situations. it's all about their headspace. Doooooh!!!! God, are they all chained in their basement, wearing a diaper while playing video games? Do they never interact with any human being outside their immediate sphere? They need to understand the world better. It's bigger than that.

Just for example, in fact there are myriad opportunities where a mixed group of people may wonder in on a game playing session among GTA-consenting adults, such as family reunion, or a party consisting of all kinds of people where I want to show my cool games to a just few of them while the others are engaged in conversation in the next room, or I just want some entertainment playing whole the party is going on and I want the latest cool game in the Xbox, or I want to show a friend and his son a cool game (and I have used both RDR and GTA IV for this) and give the son something fun to do while we watch and give advice while we are talking about boring adult stuff for the next 3 hours, or I bring the X-box over to a robotic project shop where we are doing extended long term projects late into the nights and we need some break time with a video game, but on occasion one of the guys might bring in their wife or son or daughter or cousin or colleague and all they hear is the profanity, - they tune out or forget all the driving and exploring and the cool visuals and virtual world design, or my wife has friends over who are actual adults, but they get offended at profanity or sexism that pops up while the men in the party are having fun playing the game. Maybe somebody wants to demonstrate the game temporarily in an electronics store or comic store or game store with a variety of people wandering by. It's not always about playing a game beside a little kid, or letting a kid play GTA for hours unsupervised.

There are hundreds of different contexts in which it would be desirable to have alternate or missing dialog to make the game's ambiance PG. A simple PG-switch would take care of almost all of these problems.

I can manage the rest of the issues. People don't care about shooting games in general, except maybe some hardcore religious types, or soccer moms who have read a blog about video game violence, or hardcore bleeding heart liberals, and you know what? I don't want to offend them either. I just want to have fun and help my peers share in that fun, and I don't want to create an unnecessary uncomfortable social situation or a hurtful argument.

We can deal with the by-choice issues of whether to arbitrarily kill an innocent NPC on the street with a ball bat or a flamethrower (both of which I have done with other people around, and laughed about it, and I regret in retrospect in some cases depending on who was there), or hanging out in a virtual strip club getting a pixelized lap dance. We can avoid that and have a fun drive, walk, run, motorcycle, airplane experience in the city or the country. The Rockstar innuendo on signs is subtle and not directly obscene. But we can't stop every third NPC from uttering an obscenity as they walk by, without muting the sound, which I don't want to do. Playing without sound kills the game's virtual experience.

Bottom line: to you 99%'ers: Wake up and grow up. The world is bigger than your tiny imaginations.

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#52

Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:13 AM

>Suggest cursing filter
>Game is 18+
>If they are playing the game, they can handle cursing
>Worried about kids cursing, but they go to school.
>what

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#53

Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:14 AM

QUOTE (blowtorchrepair @ Monday, Feb 25 2013, 17:58)
QUOTE (djsinnema @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:46)
I could not bring my self to play GTA in front of my kids. The language would not concern me so much as all the violence. i would feel that all the  Violence is my responsibility, and that it is my personal actions. I feel that profanity might be exposed to them in alot more different ways, and what they hear during gaming is the least of my concern

I'm talking about during times of driving around the map and exploring, watching the wildlife, etc., which there will be a lot of in V. I'm not talking about playing missions where I'm bashing in skulls with the kids in the room.

to a small child in the room, who is looking at the screen only half of the time, it very much matters what is coming through the speakers. Their little brains are on RECORD all of the time.

I don't want to MUTE the game, just the option to mute the trash language some of the time.

Well, for the record I learned the word c*nt when my 5th grade friends told me at lunch in 5th grade, so they'll learn them either way. But, I get what you're saying and for the record since it's optional and won't effect me in any way, it's a good option.

However, you'll have to teach them when and where it's appropriate to swear at some point, so some day you should probably turn it off and then have a good talk with your kids on profanity and where it's okay and where it's not.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:25 AM Edited by blowtorchrepair, 26 February 2013 - 03:28 AM.

excellent comment, Saintsrow.

I was expecting more "that's stupid and not GTA." and then to be offered parenting advice, or called me a bad parent, but your response nailed it better than my attempt to frame it.

thanks

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:33 AM

QUOTE (saintsrow @ Monday, Feb 25 2013, 22:09)
QUOTE (blowtorchrepair @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:58)
QUOTE (djsinnema @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 00:46)
I could not bring my self to play GTA in front of my kids. The language would not concern me so much as all the violence. i would feel that all the   Violence is my responsibility, and that it is my personal actions. I feel that profanity might be exposed to them in alot more different ways, and what they hear during gaming is the least of my concern

I'm talking about during times of driving around the map and exploring, watching the wildlife, etc., which there will be a lot of in V. I'm not talking about playing missions where I'm bashing in skulls with the kids in the room.

to a small child in the room, who is looking at the screen only half of the time, it very much matters what is coming through the speakers. Their little brains are on RECORD all of the time.

I don't want to MUTE the game, just the option to mute the trash language some of the time.

Yes.

Like all the rest of the forum during this information vacuum, this topic was discussed before, with the same 99% of replies totally missing the point. It's impossible to search the forum for past topics, so I would not even know how to find it to make a link to reference it.

My point is this: 99% of the responders apparently cannot even imagine social situations outside their own little world. They literally cannot even imagine other situations. it's all about their headspace. Doooooh!!!! God, are they all chained in their basement, wearing a diaper while playing video games? Do they never interact with any human being outside their immediate sphere? They need to understand the world better. It's bigger than that.

Just for example, in fact there are myriad opportunities where a mixed group of people may wonder in on a game playing session among GTA-consenting adults, such as family reunion, or a party consisting of all kinds of people where I want to show my cool games to a just few of them while the others are engaged in conversation in the next room, or I just want some entertainment playing whole the party is going on and I want the latest cool game in the Xbox, or I want to show a friend and his son a cool game (and I have used both RDR and GTA IV for this) and give the son something fun to do while we watch and give advice while we are talking about boring adult stuff for the next 3 hours, or I bring the X-box over to a robotic project shop where we are doing extended long term projects late into the nights and we need some break time with a video game, but on occasion one of the guys might bring in their wife or son or daughter or cousin or colleague and all they hear is the profanity, - they tune out or forget all the driving and exploring and the cool visuals and virtual world design, or my wife has friends over who are actual adults, but they get offended at profanity or sexism that pops up while the men in the party are having fun playing the game. Maybe somebody wants to demonstrate the game temporarily in an electronics store or comic store or game store with a variety of people wandering by. It's not always about playing a game beside a little kid, or letting a kid play GTA for hours unsupervised.

There are hundreds of different contexts in which it would be desirable to have alternate or missing dialog to make the game's ambiance PG. A simple PG-switch would take care of almost all of these problems.

I can manage the rest of the issues. People don't care about shooting games in general, except maybe some hardcore religious types, or soccer moms who have read a blog about video game violence, or hardcore bleeding heart liberals, and you know what? I don't want to offend them either. I just want to have fun and help my peers share in that fun, and I don't want to create an unnecessary uncomfortable social situation or a hurtful argument.

We can deal with the by-choice issues of whether to arbitrarily kill an innocent NPC on the street with a ball bat or a flamethrower (both of which I have done with other people around, and laughed about it, and I regret in retrospect in some cases depending on who was there), or hanging out in a virtual strip club getting a pixelized lap dance. We can avoid that and have a fun drive, walk, run, motorcycle, airplane experience in the city or the country. The Rockstar innuendo on signs is subtle and not directly obscene. But we can't stop every third NPC from uttering an obscenity as they walk by, without muting the sound, which I don't want to do. Playing without sound kills the game's virtual experience.

Bottom line: to you 99%'ers: Wake up and grow up. The world is bigger than your tiny imaginations.

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:39 AM

Do rated R movie DVDs come with a profanity filter option?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:40 AM

But OP, what do you want? You know that there won't be any profanity filter options on consoles

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:41 AM

QUOTE (Mr. Darko @ Monday, Feb 25 2013, 20:39)
Do rated R movie DVDs come with a profanity filter option?

Well, there are DVDs that come in rated and unrated.

Look, what's the harm? It's optional. None of us will have to use it. So what's the issue?

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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:43 AM

QUOTE (blowtorchrepair @ Monday, Feb 25 2013, 22:12)
How many of you GTA fans are parents?  I am, and I must say with complete honesty that my only fear of exposing my child to my playing GTA IV (and soon GTA V) is not the guns, the violence, the car chases, or the shooting of various weapons.  My only fear is the exposure of a young mind that will repeat everything that it hears to the constant barrage of horrible comments, names, etc. spewed from from peds and other NPCs as I pass them in the game. 

Of course, some might say that the foul language is a part of GTA, or at least the modern GTA games, but after I've heard the ped/NPC character comments over several dozen times then the comments aren't really funny anymore, and the foul language is certainly not integral to simple game play such as driving around the map, exploring, etc.  When I want to play GTA IV in the presence of a young person I can say that it is the uncontrollable foul language of the game which makes this impossible. 

I would welcome the addition of some type of foul language filter for GTA V.  Something like this would, of course, be an optional toggle.

your thoughts?

"Hey ya'll I'm a parent I'm gonna play GTA in front of my kids and maybe let them on the controller as well let them get hold of guns and whatever other weapons they can get hold of, killing cops hookers and whatnots but surely I hope there's a profanity filter because I'm a Christian turd and anything that is offensive in the name of Jesus and God is definitely not for my kids.

Like I said. The violence and killing is cool though."


Kill yourself.

Like seriously.

You're old enough to have kids, yet do not grasp the concept of the age rating. RIP to your kids' futures with a lousy parent like you. Obviously I would assume your spouse is among the same pathetic calibre as you are.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 03:45 AM Edited by Mr. Darko, 26 February 2013 - 03:55 AM.

QUOTE (Racecarlock @ Tuesday, Feb 26 2013, 03:41)
QUOTE (Mr. Darko @ Monday, Feb 25 2013, 20:39)
Do rated R movie DVDs come with a profanity filter option?

Well, there are DVDs that come in rated and unrated.

Look, what's the harm? It's optional. None of us will have to use it. So what's the issue?

There's nothing wrong with an option, I just think there's some misplaced priorities here. I'm just saying, I wouldn't expect it.

EDIT: I guess what I mean, mainly, is that there's really no disputing whether or not such an option is ok. I mean, who does it hurt (well, other than most likely taking up quite a bit of time, when you think about it)? Now I'm just discussing the plausibility of such an option.




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