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|QUOTE (_____ @ Sunday, Mar 3 2013, 22:07)|
|[...]Games can be exclusive for a limited period of time.[...]|
Posted 03 March 2013 - 11:19 PM
|QUOTE (Filip454 @ Monday, Mar 4 2013, 01:53)|
| You haven't debunked the first "lie", because you have no proof, again. I gave too much proof.|
And R* haven't said that it would be a time limited exclusive.
|QUOTE (ClaudeSpeedRulez @ Monday, Mar 4 2013, 01:59)|
|They can, that's not always the case, and if it was, Rockstar shouldn't be as vague as they were back then just saying "Xbox 360 exclusive", they should use a more specific wording in order to not mislead people.|
Such misleads are still happening with their marketing timeframes, "soon" "in a few months" are turning out to be years of wait.
Posted 03 March 2013 - 11:31 PM
|QUOTE (_____ @ Sunday, Mar 3 2013, 23:19)|
| As I said above, it's a marketing strategy.|
Delays happen for a reason, to improve the game. You would be surprised to know that fans could potentially be responsible for delays, but I can't talk about that.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:15 AM Edited by ClaudeSpeedRulez, 04 March 2013 - 12:21 AM.
|FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS: |
What is "Hot Coffee"?
The term "Hot Coffee" has come to be used to refer to an unauthorized third party modification to the retail version of Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.[...]
|Rockstar Games, the publisher of the Grand Theft Auto series, initially denied allegations that the minigame was "hidden" in the video game, stating that the Hot Coffee modification (which they claim violated the game's End User Licence Agreement) is the result of "hackers" making "significant technical modifications to and reverse engineering" the game's code. However, this claim was undermined when gothi from PS2 Save Tools released the GTA:SA Censor Remover for PS2 and Xbox in June 2005 which allowed the scenes to be accessed in each of the console versions. These new methods of accessing "Hot Coffee" demonstrated that the controversial content was, indeed, built into the console versions as well.|
|Hackers are responsible for a downloadable modification that enables sexually explicit minigames to be played in the blockbuster criminal adventure video game "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas," the game's maker said on Wednesday.|
The modification, which allows simulated sex in the personal computer version of one of the most popular and controversial video games in history, has led to an investigation by the industry ratings board. It also has intensified criticism of the industry that pulled in $7.3 billion in US software sales in 2004.
Some critics are calling for the game's rating to be changed from "M" (Mature 17+) to the rare "AO" (Adult Only), which would threaten to crimp sales at large retail outlets.
Gaming enthusiasts have been buzzing about the modification, dubbed "hot coffee" for weeks. Video clips identified as representing the modified minigame can be found on some gaming enthusiast Web sites.
"We have learned that the 'hot coffee' modification is the work of a determined group of hackers who have gone to significant trouble to alter scenes in the official version of the game," Rockstar Games, a subsidiary of Take-Two Interactive Software Inc, said in a statement.
The Entertainment Software Rating Board last week launched a probe into whether the sexual minigames were deliberately hidden in the game code and unlocked by the "hot coffee" modification -- or if they are solely the result of the modification.
"Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" got its "M" rating for blood and gore, intense violence, strong language, strong sexual content and drug use.
Sex is suggested in the official version of the game, but does not happen on screen.
Players who download the "hot coffee" modification from the Internet can make a male character engage in various sex acts with a virtual "girlfriend."
The "hot coffee" modification, which violates the game's software user agreement, is the result of hackers disassembling and then combining, recompiling and altering the game's source code, Rockstar said.
Rockstar added that the "hot coffee" scenes could not be created without intentional and significant technical modifications and reverse engineering of the game's source code.
Games in the "Grand Theft Auto" series have drawn numerous detractors, including Democratic California law maker Leland Yee and the National Institute on Media and the Family, an outspoken opponent.
Rockstar said it is investigating ways to increase the security protection of the source code and prevent the game from being altered by the "hot coffee" modification.
The company also is assisting the ESRB in its investigation into the modification.
"We remain confident that the ESRB assigned 'Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas' the correct rating, 'M'," Rockstar said.
The PlayStation2 version of "Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas" was the No. 1 game of 2004, selling just over 5 million copies, according to NPD Funworld.
Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:16 AM Edited by _____, 04 March 2013 - 11:22 AM.
Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:59 PM Edited by Filip454, 04 March 2013 - 09:02 PM.
|Actually you didn't give me any proof. I looked on Gouranga a little bit and I can't find that video; I also don't see how that site can be trusted anyway after looking in the "about" section. There's nothing official about it. So you have to prove that the video came from a legit source in the form it's found on YouTube.|
|Delays happen for a reason, to improve the game. You would be surprised to know that fans could potentially be responsible for delays, but I can't talk about that.|
|However, you can't compare this case to the Q&A about 9/11 and beta changes (which was the topic of this discussion). I can't think of any reason why they would lie about the changes. Just because they lied one time it doesn't mean they lie all the time. Everybody has lied at some point, that doesn't mean you are a liar all the time (except all people tend to lie in conversations involuntarily, but that's another thing).|
|I'm pretty sure they signed a contract for a certain period of time with Microsoft. They didn't lie by not telling people what kind of exclusive it was; it was just a marketing strategy so perhaps people would buy a 360, the same kind of strategy they used to release the PC version later on. Just because they didn't announce a PC version before the game was released it doesn't mean they lied about releasing one.|
|So you have to prove that the video came from a legit source in the form it's found on YouTube.|
Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:17 PM
Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:27 PM
|QUOTE (_____ @ Monday, Mar 4 2013, 11:16)|
| That proves exactly the contrary of what you said. If you want to talk about responsibility, the "hackers" are the ones to blame for enabling the minigame. You can't access these scenes in the original unmodified game.|
The only part that could be considered a lie is the "initially denied allegations that the minigame was "hidden" in the video game" part. They have also exaggerated quite a bit but in the end they admitted the content was already in the game but not accessible without altering the game's code, which is true. They simply denied allegations for legal reasons, and a lot of people would do this.
However, you can't compare this case to the Q&A about 9/11 and beta changes (which was the topic of this discussion). I can't think of any reason why they would lie about the changes. Just because they lied one time it doesn't mean they lie all the time. Everybody has lied at some point, that doesn't mean you are a liar all the time (except all people tend to lie in conversations involuntarily, but that's another thing).
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:21 AM
|QUOTE (ClaudeSpeedRulez @ Sunday, Mar 3 2013, 22:00)|
| Apart from the bus talk.|
Rockstar lied about Liberty City Stories and Vice City Stories being only and solely only PSP exclusives, and would never be ported to any other game platform ever. But they ended up being ported to the PS2 and are now on PlayStation Network too if I'm not mistaken.
They also said that Episodes from Liberty City would be Xbox360 exclusives, but they were ported to PS3 and PC a few weeks or so later.
Every GTA fan knows about these facts, but...
Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:53 PM
|QUOTE (lol232 @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 00:21)|
|but they released TLaD on PC and PS3 1 year and 2-3 Months later,|
and they released TBoGT On PC and PS3 5-6 months later.
(And both Games were merged into Episodes from Liberty City, and the Merged game, EfLC was also made for XBOX 360)
|QUOTE (lol232 @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 00:21)|
|And they never said it's an XBOX 360 exclusive.|
Only exclusive thing was that they got it way, way earlier.
Posted 05 March 2013 - 05:32 PM Edited by Filip454, 05 March 2013 - 05:38 PM.
|You're basically giving me your word to trust. In the "about" section of the site it doesn't say that R* owned or hosted the site. Without the original source you can't confirm anything.|
Posted 05 March 2013 - 10:01 PM
|QUOTE (Filip454 @ Tuesday, Mar 5 2013, 20:32)|
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 12:18 PM
|I wouldn't say that's a lie, they were just being dubious for some reason. Maybe they accidentally released his full name in that app.|
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Posted 07 March 2013 - 02:04 PM
|QUOTE (Prince Gumball @ Thursday, Mar 7 2013, 19:11)|
|I'm sure Claude speaks outside of GTA 3 and SA, because if he can't speak, He can't survive.|
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