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#1831

Posted 19 July 2013 - 03:04 AM

QUOTE (finn4life @ Thursday, Jul 18 2013, 21:54)
QUOTE (gionascm2 @ Friday, Jul 19 2013, 10:26)
@Finn4life:  Well I don't think they're raising prices here in Canada.

And even if you're right and digital is not cheaper, that's only at first glance. But if you know the right
tricks to exploit the system, you can get tonnes of free digital games, which will save you potentially
thousands of dollars in the long run. This alone makes digital much superior to physical copies.

Actually that's a good point,I kinda forgot to elaborate on that before as I was hurrying.

Personally I wouldn't do the sharing thing with someone expecting to come out of it winning, most of my friends only game occasionally, the friends I do know who game all the time use PC.

200 games at console prices? Stuff that, this generation I've bought like 15-20 games in total for console, I hardly played most of them either. I don't know where you find the time!

I actually only had like 30 games this gen, but I'm just being ambitious. In
reality, maybe 100-120 games would be more realistic.

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#1832

Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:13 AM

QUOTE (Antagonista @ Thursday, Jul 18 2013, 22:00)
You never know with today's technology haha.

I'm really hoping that they release special edition consoles (with different colors like white, blue, silver) instead of just the boring black color.


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Would love the blue one

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#1833

Posted 19 July 2013 - 07:53 AM

I really like the gold one, the controller needs to be changed though, leaving the buttons black looks sh*t, that's why my ps3 controller is a custom whited out one.

You know I might just wait for colours to release. I'm not fussed about getting a PS4.

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#1834

Posted 19 July 2013 - 08:42 AM

Showed this to a friend and now she's DETERMINED to get a red PlayStation 4. I'm loving the silver and the white one, though. Definitely the silver... I can stare at that sh*t all day....... icon14.gif

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#1835

Posted 19 July 2013 - 11:58 AM

QUOTE (gionascm2 @ Friday, Jul 19 2013, 01:26)
And even if you're right and digital is not cheaper, that's only at first glance. But if you know the right
tricks to exploit the system, you can get tonnes of free digital games, which will save you potentially
thousands of dollars in the long run. This alone makes digital much superior to physical copies.

The fact remains that if the pricing of downloadable games was right, you wouldn't have to pull these tricks.
The cost of a videogame is very fragmented: there's developer costs (building, facilities, employee salaries etc.), there's the publisher who wants to see their investments returned, there's the console manufacturer who asks a fee, there's marketing, printing and distribution, the wholesalers who want a cut and finally the retailers. So the $60 price tag has to account for all of that. But that's for physical distribution. If you were to go digital, you can cut off a chunk of that chain, starting with printing and distributing the discs. Wholesalers typically pay around $30 per game. Minus the cost of printing and distribution, co-op marketing and accounting for lost/stolen units, the publisher gets roughly $18 per sold game.
Now, if they were to go digital, you would have to add the cost of server bandwidth and IT personnel. Let's say that's $7 per game (very roughly). That would mean that even if they were to ask $30 per game (as a download), they would still make more profit ($5 in this example).
But they're still asking the retail price of $60. Now I don't know where all that extra money is going to, but that's the thing. You don't know if the developer ever sees any of that money. For all we know, the platform holder (Microsoft, Sony) and/or the publisher keep all of it. I still see publishers as a necessary evil as most of them are only interested in making the big bucks (and not unjustly so, just look at THQ). In an ideal world, developers would (somehow) get enough funding to get them going and would be able to advertise and publish the games themselves (digitally). But that's a long way from reality.

Right now, a good motivation for publishers and platform holders to drop the prices of downloadable games would be to combat the second-hand market. But they're not doing that, instead they f*ck the costumer in the ass with DRM and other bullsh*t and keep the prices of downloads unreasonably high. suicidal.gif

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#1836

Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:28 PM

Blue PS4 looks cool as f*ck, I want it. monocle.gif

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#1837

Posted 19 July 2013 - 01:40 PM

I like the black and white on the best. It looks just about right for me. The Violet one looks like crap to be honest but the others are still cool.

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#1838

Posted 19 July 2013 - 04:58 PM

The only way to get the prices down on consoles would be to
make them open distribution platforms. If you had amazon,
GAME, gamestop, steam etc. all selling the same game they
would bring down the prices to compete with each other.

As it stands platform holders have a closed market, so they can
sit it out with the digital version on a server costing them no overheads.

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#1839

Posted 19 July 2013 - 05:58 PM

I really like the silver one. But even if they release the PS4 on different colours, I am pretty sure it will be available only in Japan. confused.gif

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#1840

Posted 19 July 2013 - 06:43 PM

You're probably right. It would be cool to import it from Japan though. Keep it as a collector's thing.

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#1841

Posted 20 July 2013 - 10:14 AM

QUOTE (UtricularEwe001 @ Saturday, Jul 20 2013, 04:58)
I really like the silver one. But even if they release the PS4 on different colours, I am pretty sure it will be available only in Japan. confused.gif

@Finn4life, Yes!

Yes!
Seriously, it's a shame Australia doesn't get the coloured releases, aside from the super slim.

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#1842

Posted 20 July 2013 - 04:00 PM

QUOTE (dragonbane (Neogaf))
So what are their studios and partners working on then?

Japan Studio #1 - Knack (PS4)
Japan Studio #2 - Puppeteer (PS3)
Japan Studio #3 - Freedom Wars (Vita)
Japan Studio #4 - (?)The Last Guardian (PS4?)
Japan Studio #5 - ? (PS4/Vita)

Acquire - rain (PS3; collaboration with Japan Studio)

Polyphony Digital - GT6 (PS3/PS4?)

Naughty Dog #1 - ? (just released TLOU) (PS4)
Naughty Dog #2 - ? (PS4)

Bend Studio - ? (PS3/PS4/Vita)

San Diego Studio #1 - MLB 14: The Show (PS3/PS4?)
San Diego Studio #2 - rumoured unannounced title (PS4?)

Santa Monica Studio #1 - Stig's new IP (PS4)
Santa Monica Studio #2 - ? (just released GoW:A) (PS4)

Ready at Dawn - The Order: 1886 (PS4; collaboration with Santa Monica Studio)

Sucker Punch Productions - Infamous: Second Son (PS4)

Evolution Studios - DriveClub (PS4)

Guerrilla Games #1 - Killzone SF (PS4)
Guerrilla Games #2 - New IP (PS4)
Guerilla Cambridge - Killzone Mercenary (Vita)

Media Molecule #1 - Tearaway (Vita)
Media Molecule #2 - TBA (PS4)

London Studio #1 - (?)SingStar (PS4)
London Studio #2 - (?)PS Eye (PS4)
London Studio #3 - (?)AAA New IP (PS4/Vita?)

Sony Online Entertainment #1 - DC Universe port for PS4
Sony Online Entertainment #2 - PlanetSide 2 port for PS4
Sony Online Entertainment #3 - Everquest Next (PC/PS4?)

Supermassive Games - Until Dawn (PS3/PS4?)

Quantic Dream #1 - Beyond: Two Souls (PS3)
Quantic Dream #2 - Singularity (PS4)

Sumo Digital - (?)Little Big Planet 3 (PS3/PS4?)

Housemarque #1 - Super Stardust HD Successor (PS4)
Housemarque #2 - New IP (PS4)

Honey Slug - Hohokum (PS3/PS4/Vita)

Humanature Studios - Doki Doki Universe (PS3/PS4/Vita)

Insomniac Games #1 - Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus (PS3)
Insomniac Games #2 - (?)Ratchet & Clank (PS4; probably still a long way off)

Sanzaru Games - ? (PS3/PS4)

Giant Sparrow - ? (PS4?)

Zindagi Games - ? (PS4?)

Clap Hanz - ? (PS4?)

Novarama - ? (PS4?)

Queasy Games - ? (PS4?)

Ovosonico - ? (PS4?)


Other Rumours:

-Agent (PS4?)
-2 JRPGs teased by Verendus (PS4)


Man, That's a lot of PS4 exclusives yet to be announced!

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#1843

Posted 20 July 2013 - 05:09 PM

What games are you guys getting with your PS4, i'm really stuck on a decision.

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#1844

Posted 20 July 2013 - 05:19 PM

QUOTE (gtamad8 @ Saturday, Jul 20 2013, 17:09)
What games are you guys getting with your PS4, i'm really stuck on a decision.

I made a topic about it. Feel free to brief it.

http://www.gtaforums...howtopic=565536

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#1845

Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:24 PM

New PS4 OS Images biggrin.gif

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#1846

Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:26 PM

waiting for NeoGAFers to call them Bullshots lol

looks nice. Hope its easy and quick to use

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#1847

Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE (iNero @ Tuesday, Jul 23 2013, 21:26)
Hope its easy and quick to use

This is all that matters to me tbh, although it does look sleek.

Don't really want it to be like the current PS Store.

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#1848

Posted 23 July 2013 - 09:32 PM

It might be easier for some but I really don't plan on utilizing the facebook/social media integration
PSN stuff.

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Posted 23 July 2013 - 10:23 PM

So long as everything is quick and responsive, this'll be one damn fine OS.
I'm cool with the social media integration. It was going to happen sooner or later, and it's a good way to compliment the Gaikai game-sharing features. Always nice to have the option, though. It's nice we can use the PS4 as we would an old-school system, if we really wanted to.

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#1850

Posted 23 July 2013 - 11:50 PM

Planetside 2 will run on Ultra/Max Settings on PS4:

@5:12


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#1851

Posted 24 July 2013 - 07:03 AM

Awesome.

The only thing I will use the interface for, much like I only use with Xbox live is just for checking the marketplace for any new stuff, using the party chat, and loading a game up, could give a f*ck about anything else.

I honestly have never understood having facebook or twitter on consoles, I know they may as well if they can but it was like the first things they got above any video streaming on the xbox, and sure, some people don't have a pc or kids only have a console in their room but those spoilt f*cks probably have phones anyway, just makes no sense to me.

Anyway, I have definately noticed a LOT of PS4 exclusives so far, especially in terms of indie games and non AAA titles, most of them being pretty decent. Also more hardcore/pc style games too, much like planetside as above, but hints that we could possibly get ArmA3 and DayZ eventually. Now that would be something.

Mainstream gaming has ruined it for game development, everything is just sh*tty watered down game we get every year that sucks and appeals to the lowest form of human life.

With the PS4 being open to publish hopefully we are going to get more of this, it is one of the many many reasons the PS4 will become way more desirable than the Xbox One ever could.

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#1852

Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:30 AM

New UI pictures -

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#1853

Posted 24 July 2013 - 09:54 AM

What does it look like without the online stuff? Can we change themes and background colors to the standard one? That's what I want to know, not this.

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#1854

Posted 24 July 2013 - 10:18 AM

I want the old XMB back. XMB was great because they couldn't really shove anything in your face. With PS4 their main objective seems to be "shove facebook, twitter and knack into your face, make sure there's nothing that's easily accesible. when they want to load a game, I want them to watch a 4 minute Knack video, then post a comment about it on Twitter, then tag yourself in 5 photos on facebook and then go through a final twitter authentication process where you confirm that you've wasted 20 minutes doing all this"

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#1855

Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:01 AM

^Yeah I agree. The XMB did need updating, but it would have been cool if they could have integrated the two together somehow. XMB was so beautifully simple.

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#1856

Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:26 AM

This may be a stupid question but what's an XMB,

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#1857

Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:38 AM

QUOTE (billy james @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 14:26)
This may be a stupid question but what's an XMB,

XrossMediaBar aka main menu of PS3/PSP.

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#1858

Posted 24 July 2013 - 11:39 AM

QUOTE (billy james @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 22:26)
This may be a stupid question but what's an XMB,

Cross-Media bar. It's the PS3's interface.

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#1859

Posted 24 July 2013 - 01:42 PM Edited by Forzum, 24 July 2013 - 01:50 PM.

There's also a rumor that Demon's Souls 2 is being made AWS for the PS4, it would not surprise me since they still own the IP to the Demon's Souls franchise, but the question is if Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls 2 are being made at the same time, or if SCEJ will be making Demon's Souls 2 all alone, if so we could have Dark Souls & Demon's Souls 2 both next year or at least Demon's Souls 2 the year after biggrin.gif

Regarding the PS 4, I'm really interested in it, have preorderd it. Hopefully we will get a release date at gamescom.

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#1860

Posted 24 July 2013 - 01:52 PM

QUOTE (finn4life @ Wednesday, Jul 24 2013, 12:39)


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This.

hope the is classic XMB settings in the PS4 menu somewhere - hate clutter on my PC desktop and everything tucked away in folders - the new XMB just looks messy.




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