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Posted 04 November 2016 - 08:52 PM Edited by Melchior, 04 November 2016 - 09:01 PM.

lol if a man spends all day wanking to gonzo porn it's a good thing if he never has sex with an actual woman. I don't know where you have to be at to look at the content of pornography and condemn it as being too sexy

 

If some guy is so into videos of face f*cking and gangbangs that he can't get a boner to anything else, then they're a misogynist. I'm unwilling to have any kind of conversation about how to best care for their dicks so that they can have the rich flesh and blood sex life that they're apparently entitled to. I think people here need to have a think about why boner maintenance is a political issue they care about over the obvious effects of degradation and violence being pumped into our homes and consumed en mass. 

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 09:08 PM

"The earth is flat" is not going to be on sites like Huffingtonpost or BBC or psychology today, its going to be on some sh*tty conspiracy website. And its going to be backed up by utter bullsh*t and not actual research. Plus I think if anyone believes that the earth is flat then they are dumb as sh*t and its not my problem. He's saying "research" Well its on the internet, anyone can go and see who exactly is saying "porn is addictive" and who is saying it isnt and what evidence they have and on what websites, make up your mind from there.
 
Wasn't the one who cited google or going to the internet in the first place because I realize that there is a lot of misinformation on the internet. I was just explaining why I dont think its a serious addiction like heroine or drugs. He's the one who acted like he's a scientist or some sh*t and kept throwing that " do your research or stop posting" sh*t. So I decided to look it up and found plenty of neuroscientists saying its not an addiction and they explained why it isn't.
 
Which isn't a real "research" I might add, as i'm not a scientist, and I just read some articles. But that's the same as he did really. Either ways I'd trust a neuroscientist's opinion before I trust the opinion of some dude on a gaming forum.
 
The "you're wrong, do your research" crap he does is really annoying, Like how the f*ck do you know? You're not an expert. That's mainly why I decided to google it and come up with results saying porn addiction is not real.
 
http://www.huffingto..._n_7696448.html
https://www.psycholo...s-not-addictive
http://www.thedailyb...isn-t-real.html
 
They say its not addictive in all those articles,meaning it does not have the same effect as heroine, nicotine or other addictive chemicals, people are using it because they have sexual urges. That's it. As for asexuals well they wouldn't use porn if they were asexuals in the first place, would they?
 
"have you not considered the fact that not everybody in the world can just go out and get laid whether it be down to underlying mental issues"
 
As for this, well that's mainly what i'm saying in the first place. People use porn too much because they can't get laid. Im not talking about reasons, of course there are a lot of reasons why that happens in the first place, being unattractive, socially awkward, mentally ill and so on. Fine, lets talk about these people you are mentioning, the mentally ill who can't have relationships, how are you going to cure those? Cut off their genitalia? What alternative do they have other than watch porn or masturbate? You can live your life without heroine, nicotine or drugs, but you can't live your life without satisfying your sexual urges. And for people who can't have sex, porn or masturbation is what they turn to.
 
You watch porn because you have sexual organs and a libido, you don't use heroine because you have anything in your body that is pushing you to do so. I'm not sure some people understand what "Addiction" means.
 
Someone who is unattractive and doesn't work on themselves or their social skills, they turn to porn. Tell that person that they have an addiction, what then? How the f*ck are you going to treat that addiction? The only way you they can treat it is if they go out and try and have relationships and sex.
 
Why are there so many people who watch porn or masturbate and don't have a problem with it and have healthy relationships? If it was an addiction the same as heroine or nicotine then that wouldn't be the case. Everyone who uses nicotine by smoking or other means, ends up having a problem and they find it hard to quit it, same as heroine, it f*cks up your life and sometimes kills you. That's not the case with porn or masturbation, I don't need any research to figure that out, that's just common sense. So yes, lobbing porn use along with heroine use and saying it the same is f*cking stupid. Regardless of what "research" you did or what articles you've read on the internet.
 
Doesn't matter, I can't change anyone's mind. Everyone can think what they want. He's saying "research", well there is "research" that says what he's saying is wrong and that porn addiction is not real. If you ask me, I don't believe porn use is anything like heroine/nicotine use.

 

The big problem is that today we as a culture, especially in the field of so-called "journalism," are obsessed with having to be "fair and balanced," i.e., if there are 100,000 studies for one side of an argument and only 2 that prove the other, the media will undoubtedly present them both as options or realistic realities.  Which is a false equivalency, as Sivis stated, for every 1 article on it not being addictive you could find 10 or 100 that state the opposite.  THis is scientific proof in itself that the research in the minority is false.

 

Think of this way, drugs... booze, what do they provide?  Drugs, sex, video games, social media, chocolate, jerking off... all of these activities cause the brain to release "feel good" chemicals, dopamine, serotonin, etc, so it seems only logical that if humans can get hooked on this brain output caused by one substance, it can also get hooked on the brain output caused by others.  Sure, porn, video games, social media... they don't have additional physically addictive elements to them that causes a dope-sickness like state, but that only means that your body isn't hooked, just your brain, and a hooked brain is the real problem, as time alone can cure a purely physical addiction where as will power and other therapeutic methods are required to break the mental addiction, the addiction that causes humans to make bad decisions as they seek the relief of the addictive thing.

 

And before you ask, back off man, I'm a scientist, one who collects and studies spoors, mold and fungus.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 09:43 PM Edited by Eutyphro, 04 November 2016 - 09:44 PM.

lol if a man spends all day wanking to gonzo porn it's a good thing if he never has sex with an actual woman. I don't know where you have to be at to look at the content of pornography and condemn it as being too sexy

 

If some guy is so into videos of face f*cking and gangbangs that he can't get a boner to anything else, then they're a misogynist. I'm unwilling to have any kind of conversation about how to best care for their dicks so that they can have the rich flesh and blood sex life that they're apparently entitled to. I think people here need to have a think about why boner maintenance is a political issue they care about over the obvious effects of degradation and violence being pumped into our homes and consumed en mass. 

 

Because 'boner maintenance' as you call it, how men get off, and how women are treated by men, are related, is why it is an issue. Men being mentally unhealthy isn't just negative for men themselves. It's also bad for women and society in general. If men become overwhelmingly unsociable and unable to romantically relate to women, it won't just affect the men themselves. When men become unable to pleasure women and treat them right, it will cause women to become sexually and romantically frustrated as well.

But the problem is bigger than that of men watching too much porn. We're raising an entire generation who increasingly is substituting looking at screens for real social contact, and that involves women (and men) looking at their phones all day instead of having real social contact. A generation with the attention span and the intellectual shallowness of a twitter post. Humanity is becoming increasingly stupid and shallow in general.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 10:07 PM

 

lol if a man spends all day wanking to gonzo porn it's a good thing if he never has sex with an actual woman. I don't know where you have to be at to look at the content of pornography and condemn it as being too sexy

 

If some guy is so into videos of face f*cking and gangbangs that he can't get a boner to anything else, then they're a misogynist. I'm unwilling to have any kind of conversation about how to best care for their dicks so that they can have the rich flesh and blood sex life that they're apparently entitled to. I think people here need to have a think about why boner maintenance is a political issue they care about over the obvious effects of degradation and violence being pumped into our homes and consumed en mass. 

 

Because 'boner maintenance' as you call it, how men get off, and how women are treated by men, are related, is why it is an issue. Men being mentally unhealthy isn't just negative for men themselves. It's also bad for women and society in general. If men become overwhelmingly unsociable and unable to romantically relate to women, it won't just affect the men themselves. When men become unable to pleasure women and treat them right, it will cause women to become sexually and romantically frustrated as well.

lol no the discussion in here as nothing to do with women. It's about pornography addiction. The social issue apparently is that porn is too good. 


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Posted 04 November 2016 - 10:23 PM

An equivalent to porn addiction that disproportionately affects girls is social media addiction. It's a general development of civilized humans becoming increasingly anti social. And that's not just something that affects men. It affects everyone. And it is both negative when it affects men, and when it affects women, because neither men nor women are disposable, obviously.


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Posted 04 November 2016 - 10:47 PM

An equivalent to porn addiction that disproportionately affects girls is social media addiction.

Do we not see a qualitative difference between pornography and videos of dogs playing musical instruments? 

 

 

 

It's a general development of civilized humans becoming increasingly anti social. 

OK?

 

 

 

 And it is both negative when it affects men, and when it affects women, because neither men nor women are disposable, obviously.

Poor men :(


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Posted 04 November 2016 - 10:58 PM

How do yall feel about the superpower's theory? For some odd reason any time im off porn, so many chicks notice me. It's like you give off a sexual presence if that make's sense. Has his happened to anyone?


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Posted 04 November 2016 - 10:59 PM

Poor men :(

I know you are only interested in pandering and white knighting by being outraged at how we should protect women from men that watch bukkakes on the internet. I think you should receive a medal of honor for your quest of saving fragile helpless damsels in distress from gangbang watching brutes.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 11:23 PM

 

Poor men :(

I know you are only interested in pandering and white knighting by being outraged at how we should protect women from men that watch bukkakes on the internet. I think you should receive a medal of honor for your quest of saving fragile helpless damsels in distress from gangbang watching brutes.

 

I like how you constantly project your masculinity onto me. I'm not interested in 'white knighting' in fact these days a majority of feminist women are libfems who defend the sex industry as offering empowerment. If anything, my radical feminist politics would probably get in the way. 

 

If I wanted to attract more women I would quit smoking and work on my abs, not join a political movement. 


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Posted 04 November 2016 - 11:37 PM

I didn't ask other people to do research for me, the f*ck are you talking about?

Er, yes you did. Telling other people to go Google something instead of directly citing it yourself is absolutely asking people to do your research for you. Whilst we're on the subject if citations, all three if yours reference the same study. What's wrong, couldn't find more than one unique study reaching a conclusion you liked? Funny that you selectively ignore the numerous academic studies, including this one which note the same psychological reactions as in cases if drug dependency.

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 11:44 PM Edited by Triple Vacuum Seal, 04 November 2016 - 11:55 PM.

Again, I'm completely aware opiates and pornography are two completely different ballparks but the basic fundamental concept of addiction is the same.

 

This is exactly what those in denial fail to recognize. The idea that porn addiction is not a serious addiction on the basis that society is rife with much stronger addictions is really no different from saying, "black tar heroin is not a serious addiction because there's stronger heroin." In fact, the 'could be worse' premise is meaningless because such a characterization can be made about pretty much everything.
 

 

 

Prostitution is inherently exploitative and coercive because it's a Capitalist industry, only instead of moving boxes for low pay, you f*ck scummy men for hours on end. If women are made to f*ck men under threat of destitution, it's rape….


Under the threat of destitution? Certainly. But unless you’re referencing illegal prostitution and the statutory fringes of escort services, that would otherwise be an overstatement. Sex for pay isn’t on par with rape if the consent is explicit. When it’s no longer a matter of destitution we’ve gotta acknowledge how the spectrum fades away from bold print ‘prostitution’ in both the legal and historical context. Otherwise, you would have to consider certain arranged marriages, escorting, sugar daddying, gold digging, and outright thotism as falling under the umbrella of rape because they all fall under the same reciprocal understanding between the service provider and the procurer. Interesting how the richer the participants are, the less the whole arrangement is viewed as prostitution. That’s certainly consistent with capitalism’s tendency to favor the motives of property owners while demonizing the same attitudes among others. But capitalism is an outgrowth of mercantilism; prostitution predates both systems.

I’m playing devil’s advocate here because despite the profession’s current morality and stigma, there could eventually be an ethical sex trade that serves an appropriate and healthy role in the community…probably not under capitalism though.
 

 

 

Also, 'creeps who are into teenagers'? like every other guy will tell you how much he loves 'young girls.’…..

 

There isn’t much of a consensus there though. Most males, teen through adult, are more attracted to young women than old teens. Grown women are the gold standard of sex symbols even during boyhood. The consensus probably falls between 23 and a young-looking 32, the child-bearing ages in general really. Hetero males are inherently attracted to the tits, hips, and asses because they represent child-bearing functions. Now of course these preferences are in regards to aesthetics more so than sex appeal. Younger women/men are not particularly known for their sexual skills.


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Posted 05 November 2016 - 04:47 AM Edited by Chiari, 05 November 2016 - 04:47 AM.

It is OCD. It's that simple. It is treated as OCD and it is diagnosed as OCD. It is important to recognize that.

Side note it is absolutely hilarious to cite a psychologist.

Psychiatrist: 4 year degree (usually biology based) --> MS 4 years --> Residency 4 years. Has prescriptive authority and diagnostic ability.

Pyschologists: 4 year degree --> Barista at starbucks.

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Posted 05 November 2016 - 09:19 AM Edited by Majestic81, 05 November 2016 - 09:21 AM.

Firs of all, i'm not the one who went into google, read some article and then formed my opinion on this whole thing. I said there are a lot of misinformation on the internet. I did the whole google thing and decided to check it out just to prove to El Diablo that there are both sides of the argument when he kept throwing at me that "do your research sh*t".

 

 

"The earth is flat" is not going to be on sites like Huffingtonpost or BBC or psychology today, its going to be on some sh*tty conspiracy website. And its going to be backed up by utter bullsh*t and not actual research. Plus I think if anyone believes that the earth is flat then they are dumb as sh*t and its not my problem. He's saying "research" Well its on the internet, anyone can go and see who exactly is saying "porn is addictive" and who is saying it isnt and what evidence they have and on what websites, make up your mind from there.
 
Wasn't the one who cited google or going to the internet in the first place because I realize that there is a lot of misinformation on the internet. I was just explaining why I dont think its a serious addiction like heroine or drugs. He's the one who acted like he's a scientist or some sh*t and kept throwing that " do your research or stop posting" sh*t. So I decided to look it up and found plenty of neuroscientists saying its not an addiction and they explained why it isn't.
 
Which isn't a real "research" I might add, as i'm not a scientist, and I just read some articles. But that's the same as he did really. Either ways I'd trust a neuroscientist's opinion before I trust the opinion of some dude on a gaming forum.
 
The "you're wrong, do your research" crap he does is really annoying, Like how the f*ck do you know? You're not an expert. That's mainly why I decided to google it and come up with results saying porn addiction is not real.
 
http://www.huffingto..._n_7696448.html
https://www.psycholo...s-not-addictive
http://www.thedailyb...isn-t-real.html
 
They say its not addictive in all those articles,meaning it does not have the same effect as heroine, nicotine or other addictive chemicals, people are using it because they have sexual urges. That's it. As for asexuals well they wouldn't use porn if they were asexuals in the first place, would they?
 
"have you not considered the fact that not everybody in the world can just go out and get laid whether it be down to underlying mental issues"
 
As for this, well that's mainly what i'm saying in the first place. People use porn too much because they can't get laid. Im not talking about reasons, of course there are a lot of reasons why that happens in the first place, being unattractive, socially awkward, mentally ill and so on. Fine, lets talk about these people you are mentioning, the mentally ill who can't have relationships, how are you going to cure those? Cut off their genitalia? What alternative do they have other than watch porn or masturbate? You can live your life without heroine, nicotine or drugs, but you can't live your life without satisfying your sexual urges. And for people who can't have sex, porn or masturbation is what they turn to.
 
You watch porn because you have sexual organs and a libido, you don't use heroine because you have anything in your body that is pushing you to do so. I'm not sure some people understand what "Addiction" means.
 
Someone who is unattractive and doesn't work on themselves or their social skills, they turn to porn. Tell that person that they have an addiction, what then? How the f*ck are you going to treat that addiction? The only way you they can treat it is if they go out and try and have relationships and sex.
 
Why are there so many people who watch porn or masturbate and don't have a problem with it and have healthy relationships? If it was an addiction the same as heroine or nicotine then that wouldn't be the case. Everyone who uses nicotine by smoking or other means, ends up having a problem and they find it hard to quit it, same as heroine, it f*cks up your life and sometimes kills you. That's not the case with porn or masturbation, I don't need any research to figure that out, that's just common sense. So yes, lobbing porn use along with heroine use and saying it the same is f*cking stupid. Regardless of what "research" you did or what articles you've read on the internet.
 
Doesn't matter, I can't change anyone's mind. Everyone can think what they want. He's saying "research", well there is "research" that says what he's saying is wrong and that porn addiction is not real. If you ask me, I don't believe porn use is anything like heroine/nicotine use.

 

The big problem is that today we as a culture, especially in the field of so-called "journalism," are obsessed with having to be "fair and balanced," i.e., if there are 100,000 studies for one side of an argument and only 2 that prove the other, the media will undoubtedly present them both as options or realistic realities.  Which is a false equivalency, as Sivis stated, for every 1 article on it not being addictive you could find 10 or 100 that state the opposite.  THis is scientific proof in itself that the research in the minority is false.

 

Think of this way, drugs... booze, what do they provide?  Drugs, sex, video games, social media, chocolate, jerking off... all of these activities cause the brain to release "feel good" chemicals, dopamine, serotonin, etc, so it seems only logical that if humans can get hooked on this brain output caused by one substance, it can also get hooked on the brain output caused by others.  Sure, porn, video games, social media... they don't have additional physically addictive elements to them that causes a dope-sickness like state, but that only means that your body isn't hooked, just your brain, and a hooked brain is the real problem, as time alone can cure a purely physical addiction where as will power and other therapeutic methods are required to break the mental addiction, the addiction that causes humans to make bad decisions as they seek the relief of the addictive thing.

 

And before you ask, back off man, I'm a scientist, one who collects and studies spoors, mold and fungus.

 

Im well aware of that. However, when you keep telling me to do my research, its been proven by science, its a fact. etc. Then im gonna throw a few articles at you that have been done by scientists that shows you, you are wrong. I merely went into google to show El Diablo the error of his arguments and the weak points he's making.

 

On the subject of addiction. When you eat chocolate, you release "Feel good" chemicals too. Do we have chocolate addiction now? Not everything that involves fun, needs to be labeled as an addiction. I just think that downplays how serious heroine and other strong addictions are man. That's my point. Whatever happened to lazy people and f*ckups that do lazy habits. Watching excessive porn is a lazy habit, doesn't feel like an addiction to me. How are you going to treat it anyway? There are no treatments that has proven effective. I can imagine why.

 

I didn't say there aren't people who suffer from watching too much porn. I just said comparing these people to nicotine and heroine addicts doesn't seem fair or right.

 

Should we have therapists wanting to cure, jerk off addiction, tv addiction, junk food addiction, social media addiction? where do you draw the line? Is everything that gives you a little fun now is at risk of being labeled addictive?

 

Maybe some people here should try and take a look at a heroine addict and a so called porn addict, and see the difference. Maybe they'd understand my point then and get some perspective.

 

 

I didn't ask other people to do research for me, the f*ck are you talking about?

Er, yes you did. Telling other people to go Google something instead of directly citing it yourself is absolutely asking people to do your research for you. Whilst we're on the subject if citations, all three if yours reference the same study. What's wrong, couldn't find more than one unique study reaching a conclusion you liked? Funny that you selectively ignore the numerous academic studies, including this one which note the same psychological reactions as in cases if drug dependency.

 

I know there are mixed opinions, as I have stated multiple times now.. However, I was already of the opinion that porn is not an addiction before reading what these links had. Reading what these scientists found just makes my belief stronger, and dude.. they say this does not necessarily mean that pornography itself is addictive. In that link you've posted. All they found is that people who watch porn excessively, their brain works differently than the healthy volunteers. They said, they mirror the behavior of drug addicts too. Doesn't mean they are experiencing the same effects as drug addicts. There is a difference.

 

I'm not sure what you tried to prove in that link you've posted. That the brains of these supposedly sex addicts work differently than healthy ones? Well no sh*t, of course they do. Why don't they try to compare it with real addicts like heroine. That link really does not prove anything or reveal anything substantial. If anything, it shows how weak the argument is that porn is an "addiction".


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Posted 05 November 2016 - 11:53 AM

I know there are mixed opinions, as I have stated multiple times now.

Except right at the beginning where you said:

@thread. Porn addiction.. lmfao.. Its not addiction

So even though you're now apparently acknowledging that there's not an academic consensus supporting the idea that pornography addiction is mythical, you still believe it is with enough conviction to make the above statement? And that doesn't seem at all silly or contradictory to you?

However, I was already of the opinion that porn is not an addiction before reading what these links had. Reading what these scientists found just makes my belief stronger

So...confirmation bias? You already hold a view on a subject, therefore seek out evidence that corroborates and reinforces that view whilst selectively ignoring anything which doesn't. That sound about right, or do you actually want us to believe you've properly evaluated all the available evidence and come up with an objective conclusion.

All they found is that people who watch porn excessively, their brain works differently than the healthy volunteers

...no, what they conclude is that people who suffer from compulsive sexual behaviour exhibit the same behaviours when exposed to pornography as in drug addicts when exposed to drugs. And I'm fully aware that this isn't incontrovertible evidence of pornography addiction being accurate. But judging from your post above, you don't actually take issue with the notion that people can and do have harmful and excessive intake of pornography, but the characterisation of this as an "addiction". But I'm not sure on what grounds you can reasonably dispute the definition of "addiction".

Can users of pornography do so compulsively? Yes, they can. Can compulsive use of this nature interfere with the ordinary pursuit of one's life and activities? Yes. Therefore I fail to see on what grounds you can dispute the characterisation of harmful, excessive and compulsive pornography consumption as an addiction. Pornography addiction is fairly recent, conceptually speaking, but falls more generally under sexual behaviour addictions. Trying to isolate excessive, harmful and compulsive pornography consumption from other forms of compulsive sexual behaviour as you do above sort of misses the point. Are all compulsive sexual behaviours mythical, or is it just compulsive pornography consumption?

As a side note, comparing sexual addictions with illicit drug, nicotine, alcohol addiction et cetera is not really viable because these all create physical dependence as well as physiological dependence. It would be far more reasonable to draw comparison with other behavior-based addictions that don't have a physical aspect such as gambling.
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Posted 06 November 2016 - 01:06 PM

@Majestic81 This might help.

 

 

Of course, had you read the previous replies and debates in this thread, there would be no need for me to post this video yet again. Also, I see we've argued here before, so how is it that you haven't seen the video? Or you have, but you still somehow do not understand that porn really can cause an addiction?

 

 

How do yall feel about the superpower's theory? For some odd reason any time im off porn, so many chicks notice me. It's like you give off a sexual presence if that make's sense. Has his happened to anyone?

Ah, the "superpowers"... I believe it pretty much comes down to increased confidence. Like it says in the video above: "Since quitting, girls notice me - or did I simply start noticing them noticing me?" So yeah, there's nothing mystical or supernatural about quitting porn, lol, no superpowers.

 

It's just you getting back to how you're naturally supposed to be, if you will.

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 04:49 PM Edited by ΣΓ, 16 November 2016 - 04:47 AM.

I wasn't going to reply to this initially because I got bored of this conversation since I don't fundamentally disagree with you but your replies have been bugging me for a while (I reordered your points for to be able to address them more easily).

It's not a hyperbolic statement. Under Capitalism, if you are not part of the wealthy elite, you work under threat of destitution.

Sure if you strip it entirely of societal context.

Okay, but even if you're only watching feature porn (I wouldn't accept that the roles are equal, in fact neither do you judging by your wording) still your only defense of pornography is that it eventually drove you away? 

They don't typically interview coal miners but if you asked one if they liked their job, they'd say that they do. References to choice are a liberal deflection.
  
Where does 'education' come from if not from media?

Part of me hates capitalism but I am not completely sold on the alternatives. I understand what it is like to be exploited. I work in a factory and while I could get a better position in this company with little effort I honestly prefer to be exploited than to be part of the problem (for whatever period I desire to work there). Being in the porn business isn't all that bad according to some people. Granted others hate their job but for a lot of them the money is what keeps them there. They could easily get a sh*ttier job but they don't want to. So what I'm trying to say is that being in porn is not that bad\different compared to other jobs.

Which is bad how? What the f*ck is your problem with sex between consenting adults? If the woman is into it then it is safe to say that she doesn't feel degraded. There's no point in analyzing this further.

I am a more special case I think. Porn can teach you the meaninglessness of casual sex but it is better to learn this fact by having real sex. I don't really defend it. I think it's not all bad. Even if we got rid of most of it there would probably still be amateur porn or something. I don't see any ethical dilemma with that kind of porn (e.g. a couple agreeing to make a video of themselves and sharing it with the world).

It depends on how you ask the question. They are likely to say yes because in their mind they imagine that there really aren't any other jobs left for them. This is a false analogy to what I was saying. The pornstars I've heard speak positively about their job actually go into detail about it. They don't just say "yeah, I like it, it's a job". They typically think that this negative view of porn and porn actors is wrong.

The media doesn't even come close to teaching men (or women for that matter) to be sexist. I think the more direct contribution comes from your parents. Sexist parents raise sexist children a lot of the time. I come from a family with such parents and I can tell you that I could have been a different person right now had I been less lucky. Somehow I managed to think my way out of most of their prejudices.

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