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WarChief
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#1

Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:42 PM Edited by WarChief, 10 June 2013 - 12:26 PM.

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Rank GTAForum Name Gamertag
National Pres. WarChief LLMCxWarChief
Vice-President LLMCxWarBeast LLMCxWarBeast
Secretary LLMCxWarMuffin LLMCxWarMuffin
Sgt@Arms LLMCxWarBird LLMCxWarBird
Club Administator LLMCxDeadman LLMCxDeadman
Treasurer Filled Filled
Road Capt. - -
Tribune Filled Filled
Tribune Filled Filled
Master Lt. Filled Filed
Road Agent
Road Warrior Filled Filled
Outlaw LLMCxWarBandit LLMCxWarBandit
CodeSgt Spudstyle LLMCxIrishKing
Code-Enforcer LLMCxWarGem88 LLMCxWarGem88
Code-Enforcer LLMCxBigShot LLMCxBigShot
Enforcer The Outlaw LLMCxOutlaw
Enforcer LLMCxWarDemon LLMCxWarDemon
Apache LLMCxForzono LLMCxForzono
Soldier SOAFAN94 LLMCxGhostRider
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Soldier BTS Hazard LLMCxEvilHazard
Soldier granny who 69s LLMCxASSASIN69
F.N.G Filled Filled
Prospect Og M0ney LLMCxNightRider
Prospects xXVisionxX Big Boy Mexican
Prospects Grim Inc XxSoulsAtZeroxX
Prospects St. Jimmy l st.Jimmy l
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Churches will be announced an LLMC council officers through xbl message

Training will be announced by the LLMC Sgt@Arms or a Code Sgt.
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LLMC currently has 2 Chapter: Over 9,000 brothers
Mother Chapter(TLAD)(Original)-Hove Beach, Broker,Bohan,Upper Alderney
Bohan Chapter(TLAD(Original)-Bohan,Lower Alderney ( Currently in Construction in need of prospects )
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Never Kill your Brothers/Allies
Respect all Brothers/Allies
Be respectful always,even to rivals dont ever drop to there level. icon13.gif
listen to superior officers and respect their decisions.
Lost Forever, Legends Ever After.
[S.W.A.G]



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[HsKMC]~Head Shot Kings MC

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[TLMC]-The Lost MC-user posted image
Brotherhood of Bikers B.O.B

Malicious MC

Campione Crime Family

Meretti Crime Family

And the Rest of the Gook Families
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ATF(Military)
S.O.M
Gambino Crime Family

WarChief
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#2

Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:44 PM Edited by WarChief, 09 May 2013 - 12:55 AM.

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Username(GTAF) Answer Here
Age (Optional) Answer Here
Xbox Live Gamertag Answer Here
Do you have a Headset? Answer Here
Time Zone Answer Here
What skills do you have? Answer Here
How often do you visit GTAForums? Answer Here
How Many gangs have you been in Answer Here
Anything else you might want to add Answer Here
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[td] Answer Here [/td]
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[td] Answer Here [/td]
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[th]What skills do you have?[/th]
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#3

Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:49 PM

good luck, but you might want to make the topic neater? Dont even know how you have managed to get it like that :L

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#4

Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:52 PM

You're f*cked the opening post up real good! Props! icon14.gif

I've never see that before.


Just copy and paste all the text and it should correct itself,
If not check all your table codes.

Welcome back, again.

Will Troll
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#5

Posted 04 February 2013 - 05:57 PM

It's usually table codes, is what f*cked up [-TD-]'s. Check yours, should be able to fix the page a bit.

Strength
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#6

Posted 04 February 2013 - 06:50 PM

Here you go... Just copy/paste everything (except 'CODE') into your first post. Good luck.

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[color=blue]2010
In 2010 a Group of randoms were fighting off a clan known as The Black Hand at Fort Mercer on Red Dead Redemption,proving themselves quite a challenge to TBH the group of randoms decided to turn themselves into a militia claiming their first turf of Fort Mercer.

2 Months Later

The militia began to become a recognized (clan) often recruiting they grew in numbers and therefore formed the Soldiers of Redemption (S.O.R). Lasting a steady year on RDR more turf was claimed and more branches of the military were formed.

Mid-2011

With Leaders lost and Gained the SOR created a general council with 5 consistent Generals (STR8 B05S,Thaonenonly, PassingtheAmmo, xWarriorx, SkullCracker.

1 Month Later
With members loosing activity and the game growing old (SOR's) activity slowly decreased to a hult.

2012

3 former Generals of the SOR (STR8 B05S, Thaonenonly, PassingtheAmmo) Began communicating once again. PassingtheAmmo came up with the idea of creating an MC claiming he was friends with a group of riders known as The Sons of Anarchy (SoA).
Only the SoA were not so friendly, often in shootouts and turf wars we began to have our daily battles,but outnumbered by the SoA 32 members to 5 we still didn't give back down. Together The 5 members formed the Lost Legends Motorcycle Club (LLMC).
We started to build a foundation but constantly under the threat of the SoA & The Lost MC
we new we had to train entering our first clan battle with the SoA we were Defeated unable to accept defeat we challenged them to a rematch that proved successful in our favor and with a Tie-Breaker to follow also proved us victorious. With great respect from each MC after the Battle no trash talk was announced just a mear "Good Game" we soon began to form respect for the other MC not firing at each other in Free Modes we eventually formed an alliance.

Late-2012

Still a small strong Brotherhood with only 12 members LLMC looked weak in the eyes of other clans not being noticed for we were shadowed by our Brothers in the SoA.With the president of LLMC beging to turn the clan into a (99%) riding club sparked revolution inside the Club a decision had to be made and a new President had to be elected. With a 12-0 vote LLMCxWarChief was elected as the new President within a short period of time the MC began recruiting an gathering close friends that lived in Liberty City.

2013

With The Brotherhood between LLMC & SoA still strong we were able to build our army with 40 strong members we continue to grow and expand over Gta4. Now we have a name for ourselves and are often challenged on our strength, skill, & Loyalty with a record of 16-4 :sui:  we continue to pose a threat on TLAD.[/color]


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[th]GTAForums Username[/th]
[th]Gamertag[/th]
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[th]National President[/th]
[td] WarChief[/td]
[td] LLMCxWarChief[/td]
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[th] [/th]
[th] [/th]
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[th]V. President[/th]
[td] LLMCxWarBeast [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarBeast [/td]
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[th]Treasurer[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] N/a [/td]
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[th]Secretary[/th]
[td] LLMCxWarMuffin [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarMuffin [/td]
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[th]Road Captain[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxDeathBet [/td]
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[th]Sergeant-At-Arms[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarBird [/td]
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[th] [/th]
[th] [/th]
[th] [/th]
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[th]Master Lt.[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarMonster [/td]
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[th]Lieutenent[/th]
[td] LLMCxWarGazm [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarGazm [/td]
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[th] [/th]
[th] [/th]
[th] [/th]
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[th]Warden[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] N/a [/td]
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[th]Road Agent[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] N/a [/td]
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[th]Tribune[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] N/a [/td]
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[th]Road Warrior[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] N/a [/td]
[/tr]
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[th]Code Enforcer[/th]
[td] LeprechaunNazi [/td]
[td] LLMCxChronicle [/td]
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[th]Code Enforcer [/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxBigShot [/td]
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[th]Code Enforcer[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxLLMCxWarReaper [/td]
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[th]OutLaw[/th]
[td] LLMCxFieryChaos [/td]
[td] LLMCxFieryChaos [/td]
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[th] OutLaw[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarZombie [/td]
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[th] Enforcer[/th]
[td] LLMCxDeadman [/td]
[td] LLMCxDeadman [/td]
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[th] Enforcer[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarMule [/td]
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[th]Enforcer [/th]
[td] death killer860 [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarHero [/td]
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[th] Enforcer[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarAngle [/td]
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[th] [/th]
[th] [/th]
[th] [/th]
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[th]Soldier[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarGem88 [/td]
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[th]Soldier[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarLegend [/td]
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[th]Soldier[/th]
[td] - [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarDog [/td]
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[th]Soldier [/th]
[td]N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxNightMare [/td]
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[th] Soldier[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxDak [/td]
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[th]Soldier [/th]
[td] - [/td]
[td] LLMCxAlphaWolf [/td]
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[th] Soldier[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarHogan [/td]
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[th] Soldier[/th]
[td] - [/td]
[td] LLMCxP3NGU1N [/td]
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[th] Soldier[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarHorse [/td]
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[th] Soldier[/th]
[td] - [/td]
[td] WAFFLES1356 [/td]
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[th]F.N.G[/th]
[td] N/a [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarDemon [/td]
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[th]F.N.G[/th]
[td] - [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarLogic [/td]
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[th]F.N.G[/th]
[td] - [/td]
[td] LLMCxGstone [/td]
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[th] F.N.G[/th]
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[th] F.N.G[/th]
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[td] LLMCxWereWolf [/td]
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[th] F.N.G[/th]
[td] - [/td]
[td] LLMCxWarCrip [/td]
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[th] Prospect[/th]
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[td] Its Twiisty[/td]
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[th] Prospect[/th]
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[td] Ah High Rolla[/td]
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[td]Damean Wright[/td]
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[th] Prospect[/th]
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[td]II Omen4500 II[/td]
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#7

Posted 04 February 2013 - 08:15 PM

Sorry to be a bother, but are you sure all of the members on you roster are signed up to the forums?

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#8

Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:50 AM

Good luck chief

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#9

Posted 05 February 2013 - 11:50 AM

Good luck , from Kings Of Los Santos and hope to meet you one day

WarChief
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#10

Posted 05 February 2013 - 04:43 PM

Hey thanks guys, yeah i was editing n i messed it up so i was like F it. But yeah thanks ill fix it when i get home.

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#11

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:55 AM

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Will Troll
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#12

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:58 AM

By the way mate, you can only keep people on your roster that have a GTAF account. The externals need to be moved off. But theres nothing that says you cant count them in and put them in a member count number on your page.

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#13

Posted 06 February 2013 - 01:59 AM

QUOTE (Officer Will Troll @ Wednesday, Feb 6 2013, 01:58)
By the way mate, you can only keep people on your roster that have a GTAF account. The externals need to be moved off. But theres nothing that says you cant count them in and put them in a member count number on your page.

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#14

Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:04 PM

WHEEEEEEEYYYY I see you got you page fixed finally wink.gif Good Luck on Forums and do you want to make an Alliance? Its GFather Malikov btw, I was in Black Widows MC before the Patch Over cool.gif

-Red Bratva MC President.

WarChief
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#15

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:08 PM

Hey can someone inform me on how to add profile pics and signitures ive made a couple but im notunderstanding the whole Url point... And G-father yeah we deffinitly need to have a sitdown and discuss a couple things and if our visions are the same and all goes well we would be glad to call Red Bratva MC brothers.

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#16

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:22 PM Edited by Boss Falcone, 06 February 2013 - 10:24 PM.

First of all Welcome to GTA Forums.

Now back to Business remove all these people of your roster. They do not have accounts.
I check through your whole roster and none of these members have accounts here.

LLMCxWarMuffin
LLMCxWarBeast
LLMCxWarGazm
LeprechaunNazi
LLMCxFieryChaos
WarZombie
LLMCxWarAngle
Airlock

At the top of the roster it says you have 48 Members. So Tell them 48 Members to sign up.
Remove all them People I have mentioned above and you won't be breaking any rules.

Once one of them member does sign up you can put them up on the roster.

Thanks and have a nice day from the FIB

EDIT: I am not trying to be mean I am just stating the facts.

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#17

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:24 PM

Also is it possible that i can have two people edit this topic because i would like to have my secretary update stuff like when we make alliances or have meetings

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#18

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:26 PM

Yes you can give your password to your member which then he can change and add things to your
page but be careful. Make sure he is a trustworthy person also read what I said above.

WarChief
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#19

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:31 PM

Yeah thanks, they created the account but they failed to validate it by going into their emails

Boss Falcone
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#20

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:32 PM

QUOTE (WarChief @ Wednesday, Feb 6 2013, 22:31)
Yeah thanks, they created the account but they failed to validate it by going into their emails

Yes but if they did sign up but did not Go to their emails.

They would still come up on the members List. They did not meaning none of them have
made accounts.

So remove them and once they full sign up add them.


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#21

Posted 06 February 2013 - 10:59 PM

Na dude, LLMCxWarMuffin just told me he validated it and now u can check n it says hes a member.

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#22

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:01 PM

QUOTE (WarChief @ Wednesday, Feb 6 2013, 22:59)
Na dude, LLMCxWarMuffin just told me he validated it and now u can check n it says hes a member.

Ok 1 Member remove the rest of the from the roster at least.

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Itz Only Adz
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#23

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:12 PM

QUOTE (WarChief @ Wednesday, Feb 6 2013, 22:08)
Hey can someone inform me on how to add profile pics and signitures ive made a couple but im notunderstanding the whole Url point... And G-father yeah we deffinitly need to have a sitdown and discuss a couple things and if our visions are the same and all goes well we would be glad to call Red Bratva MC brothers.

Well if you want we could have one right now if you want? Ill set up a game to. Just let me know man icon14.gif

-RBMC President.

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#24

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:27 PM

Dude im not home im on my phone so im not gonna edit the topic n mess it up from my phone when i get home ill inform my guys if they cant get on the computer ill remove them. And Gfather when i get home we can hold a meeting

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#25

Posted 06 February 2013 - 11:55 PM Edited by Officer Will Troll, 07 February 2013 - 12:00 AM.

Just to keep in mind, you dont have to fully kick members from your clan if they're not on here, of course. Just can only show those w/ forum accounts. See, the gangs section is designed so gangs can interact and operate with each other. Meet each other, form alliances, start wars (Preferbly in-game and not topic flame wars), etc. Boss Falcones tryna help you guys get your requirements met, as staff has the right to lock topics that don't meet the requirements. But yeah, you wont have to kick people from the faction that don't want to make an account for the forum roster, you can have externals too. For ex, TD has a few guys on our topic and a good amount of externals.

Internals meaning people on the site.

Externals meaning people off the site, through 3rd party means (Xbox live, games, private forums, etc)

WarChief
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#26

Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:57 AM

To anyone this may Concern or affend (moderators) i am not home at the moment when i get home i will imediatly fix my topic. Thank you

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#27

Posted 07 February 2013 - 05:45 AM

I have fixed the first post for you.

Please ensure that all the members on your roster are registered here ASAP.

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#28

Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:36 PM

Ok,because of the fact that i tried to fix it from my phone i screwed up my topic again so i just copied the post from strength. I will fix it and remove all external members after school.

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#29

Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:01 PM

Just please dont lock my topic its already hard enough for me to keep fixing this sh**. Let alone starting over.

Toke
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#30

Posted 07 February 2013 - 03:26 PM

Well I've given you the three days that I told you I would to get your members signed up and I see you've not removed those members that are not signed up here.

I've decided to give you 24 more hours. At the end of that 24 hours if you do not have those members signed up here I will lock your thread.

Have nice day.

Oh ya, don't double post, just edit the original post instead of making a follow-up one.




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