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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:23 PM

Always liked BMW's, especially the older 3 series compact types, I also like scooby impreza's too, the 4wd appeals a lot. I don't care too much about performance though, but something quick would be nice. I'm more keen for something reliable and that doesn't consume too much fuel, something that can be bashed about a bit. So in general which is the better choice for me?

I don't have much of budget to spend, perhaps 4k max, depending largely on how much I can sell my current car for.

Any thoughts or suggestions welcome.




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Posted 02 February 2013 - 09:57 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:23)
Always liked BMW's, especially the older 3 series compact types

Get a grip, man!

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:06 PM

I myself would go for an Impreza, am looking for one right now too...if possible would like to purchase one in near future. An older one ofc. Can't tell about reliability but at least Impreza is a rarer sight than a BMW of almost any series.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:07 PM

QUOTE (jaysteels @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 21:57)
QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:23)
Always liked BMW's, especially the older 3 series compact types

Get a grip, man!

The Compacts are butt ugly, but if it was down to either E36 or E46, I'd pick the E36.
Also, the E36 in the 323ti form is quite fun.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 17:06)
Can't tell about reliability but at least Impreza is a rarer sight than a BMW of almost any series.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:19 PM

QUOTE (Lurch @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:18)
QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 17:06)
Can't tell about reliability but at least Impreza is a rarer sight than a BMW of almost any series.

lol sigh.gif

Remember kids, rare = good.

The rare Daewoo Matiz is better in every way than a brand new 5 Series.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 10:40 PM

There are two Imprezas parked on my street, a Hawkeye WRX STi (with some choice mods, including about 2ks worth of AP Racing brakes) and a Blobeye WRX wagon. The only BMW is my neighbours F800GS dual-sport bike. Oddly, lots of Volvos and Audis, but no BMWs.

As for which you should get, what do you really want? Do you want something that's enjoyable and rewarding to drive? In which case I'd go for the BMW? Or a white-good form of transport that will take a monumental kicking before breaking? In which case I'd take the Subaru.

Just don't get an N/A, AWD Impreza. They're slower than plate tectonics.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:19)
QUOTE (Lurch @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:18)
QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 17:06)
Can't tell about reliability but at least Impreza is a rarer sight than a BMW of almost any series.

lol sigh.gif

Remember kids, rare = good.

The rare Daewoo Matiz is better in every way than a brand new 5 Series.

Well f*ck yeah, here we go again.... Dickheads.
Impreza is ofc equivalent to a Matiz too... sarcasm.gif


It all depends where you live, to me Imprezas are a rare sight. BMWs are freaking everywhere with other german cars.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 23:15)
QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:19)
QUOTE (Lurch @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:18)
QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 17:06)
Can't tell about reliability but at least Impreza is a rarer sight than a BMW of almost any series.

lol sigh.gif

Remember kids, rare = good.

The rare Daewoo Matiz is better in every way than a brand new 5 Series.

Well f*ck yeah, here we go again.... Dickheads.
Impreza is ofc equivalent to a Matiz too... sarcasm.gif


It all depends where you live, to me Imprezas are a rare sight. BMWs are freaking everywhere with other german cars.

It's like saying pork liver is better than pork chops, because it's more rare.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:23 PM

How about you shut your piehole?

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:26 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:40)
There are two Imprezas parked on my street, a Hawkeye WRX STi (with some choice mods, including about 2ks worth of AP Racing brakes) and a Blobeye WRX wagon. The only BMW is my neighbours F800GS dual-sport bike. Oddly, lots of Volvos and Audis, but no BMWs.

As for which you should get, what do you really want? Do you want something that's enjoyable and rewarding to drive? In which case I'd go for the BMW? Or a white-good form of transport that will take a monumental kicking before breaking? In which case I'd take the Subaru.

Just don't get an N/A, AWD Impreza. They're slower than plate tectonics.

Cheers Sivi, I think in general I want something that's going to take a bit of wear n tear, considering the roads up here in N. Wales countryside. Plate tectonics sounds a bit too damn slow lol.gif icon14.gif

Appreciate all the advice, I realise there are a good few Beemer fans here tounge.gif

Out of interest how does this car seem?

http://www.ebay.co.u...0-/181070073572?

Decent price?

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:28 PM Edited by Garfield 2, 02 February 2013 - 11:37 PM.

Decent price alright, but looks like a chav's car.
The trouble with the Imprezas, Civics, Integras, Supras and all similar cars (basically JDM cars) is that they've been abused for a long time. It may not be necessarily the case in the UK, but in Ireland I wouldn't go anywhere near an Impreza.

Besides, it needs to be blue with golden alloys smile.gif

How bout this: http://www.autotrade.../1500?logcode=p

PS. It's funny that the WRX STI is Insurance Group 20D, while the BMW M5 is 20A.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 23:28)
Decent price alright, but looks like a chav's car.
The trouble with the Imprezas, Civics, Integras, Supras and all similar cars (basically JDM cars) is that they've been abused for a long time. It may not be necessarily the case in the UK, but in Ireland I wouldn't go anywhere near an Impreza.

Besides, it needs to be blue with golden alloys smile.gif

How bout this: http://www.autotrade.../1500?logcode=p

PS. It's funny that the WRX STI is Insurance Group 20D, while the BMW M5 is 20A.

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Is a piehole the place where pies go?

Seems like a great price, good find.
You're spot on about that Impreza, chavved up a bit confused.gif .

In general how do BMW's handle in ice/snow?

will need to google these insurance group things 20a ? 20d? monocle.gif



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Posted 02 February 2013 - 11:46 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 18:26)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 22:40)
There are two Imprezas parked on my street, a Hawkeye WRX STi (with some choice mods, including about 2ks worth of AP Racing brakes) and a Blobeye WRX wagon. The only BMW is my neighbours F800GS dual-sport bike. Oddly, lots of Volvos and Audis, but no BMWs.

As for which you should get, what do you really want? Do you want something that's enjoyable and rewarding to drive? In which case I'd go for the BMW? Or a white-good form of transport that will take a monumental kicking before breaking? In which case I'd take the Subaru.

Just don't get an N/A, AWD Impreza. They're slower than plate tectonics.

Cheers Sivi, I think in general I want something that's going to take a bit of wear n tear, considering the roads up here in N. Wales countryside. Plate tectonics sounds a bit too damn slow lol.gif icon14.gif

Appreciate all the advice, I realise there are a good few Beemer fans here tounge.gif

Out of interest how does this car seem?

http://www.ebay.co.u...0-/181070073572?

Decent price?

With Subs, don't go EJ20 or 22 unless it's turboed. An NA EJ25 is fairly decent. There's always a decent aftermarket for subaru stuff.

For BMW's, avoid the 4 cylinders and go for a gasser 6. Other than that it doesn't really matter. I'd get the smallest, ightest chassis with the biggest engine you can afford to run.

That's coming from someone with an e28 535 and an e30 318 in the driveway and whose friends all drive various BMW's and Subarus.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:21 AM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 23:43)
Seems like a great price, good find.
You're spot on about that Impreza, chavved up a bit  confused.gif .

In general how do BMW's handle in ice/snow?

will need to google these insurance group things  20a ? 20d? monocle.gif

http://www.tescobank...-explained.html

In terms of ice/snow driving, it really depends on the amount of skill you have. It's more difficult of course to drive on ice and in snow with a RWD car, however it's definitely going to be much easier with an E46 330ci than an E30 325i. Electronics do help.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:56 AM

QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 00:23)
How about you shut your piehole?

How about you grow the f*ck up and deal with it? Seriously, it's like having a whining toddler on the forum.

ajbns87- that Turbo 2000 looks quite tidy but I'd be wary of buying one that's been ready-modified, especially when the picture are so small.

Rather than Ebay, I'd advise an enthusiast site like PistonHeads. The quality of vehicles and adverts tends to be much higher.

This is a very tidy, mildly fettled Turbo 2000
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Or

Here's a slightly newer WRX Wagon, appears to be completely standard and great condition
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That last one looks like a particularly good shout to me- buy on condition; it's at a good price point, a decent spec, it's standard and it's always nice to see cars like this parked on a decent, upmarket street rather than some council dive (the house outside which a car is parked can say a lot about how well cared for it is).

Personally, I think that blue/gold is overplayed. I like the red/gold and blue/silver to mix things up a bit.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:17 AM

If i were you,im going to take the 330i or 330Ci E46

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:59 AM

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Definitely going to make enquiries about that red one inlove.gif , looks perfect.

Quickest way to find out insurance for myself on one of these? Or any rough idea? I'm 26, no claims since I started driving (8 years) - been on a speed awareness course though confused.gif

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:19 AM Edited by sivispacem, 03 February 2013 - 11:34 AM.

I banged in some general details for a 26-year-old, 8 years driving, 5 years NCB, no penalties, working an average job, living in an average area, parked on a drive. Unfortunately, because of the modifications, the lowest quote I got was about 1400. I imagine you could get it significantly under this, but you'd need to enquire with specialist brokers like Adrian Flux.

The WRX Wagon comes out at about 650 if I use my details, which aren't that dissimilar to yours I imagine.

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I know the colour isn't as nice, but here is a very tidy completely standard turbo 2000.
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It's the only totally standard one I've found for sale anywhere- almost all are running aftermarket exhausts and the like. I've got a quote of just over 900 on that.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 12:23 PM

If I were you I'd go for the 330Ci or a 330i.

If I were to choose one of those three, I'd pick the blue WRX wagon.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:14 PM

QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 12:23)
If I were you I'd go for the 330Ci or a 330i.

If I were to choose one of those three, I'd pick the blue WRX wagon.

What makes you pick the Wagon over the other options? I find the Saloons a lot more aesthetically pleasing.

Thanks for doing all that searching Sivi, that 1400 quote is a bit off putting, how old do I have to be! or is it just the car itself!

BMW's look nicer and might be nicer to drive, but in general am I correct in saying, they won't be as durable as a subaru?

quick question regarding these insurance policies, a lot of these cars are tuned, will these modifications all be known to the insurers, or is it my obligation to let them know if the previous owner hadn't?

I've only had to buy one car in my life, my current 206, which is over 150,000mile now turn.gif

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:17 PM

QUOTE (ajbns87 @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 13:14)
QUOTE (Garfield 2 @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 12:23)
If I were you I'd go for the 330Ci or a 330i.

If I were to choose one of those three, I'd pick the blue WRX wagon.

What makes you pick the Wagon over the other options? I find the Saloons a lot more aesthetically pleasing.

Thanks for doing all that searching Sivi, that 1400 quote is a bit off putting, how old do I have to be! or is it just the car itself!

BMW's look nicer and might be nicer to drive, but in general am I correct in saying, they won't be as durable as a subaru?

quick question regarding these insurance policies, a lot of these cars are tuned, will these modifications all be known to the insurers, or is it my obligation to let them know if the previous owner hadn't?

I've only had to buy one car in my life, my current 206, which is over 150,000mile now turn.gif

6 pot BMWs are known for doing huge mileages. You see a lot of them for sale in Germany with 250k mileage.

My grandpa's 1989 525i E34 did 592k kms before it was crushed in 2011.

Why the wagon? It's less showy than the saloon, so you're less likely to be pulled over in any case + practicality.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:23 PM Edited by sivispacem, 03 February 2013 - 02:01 PM.

Wagon advantages:

1) Cheaper insurance, as less are stolen/crashed
2) Lower purchase price, as slightly less desirable
3) Less likely to be covered in chav tat.

It's more of an issue of the car itself than it is the driver- well, it's more of an issue of price comparison sites being crap for taking into account modifications. If you have a modified vehicle, you really need to use a proper broker.

You'll need to declare your mods to the insurance company, they aren't known.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 13:23)
Wagon advantages:

1) Cheaper insurance, as less are stolen/crashed
2) Lower purchase price, as slightly less desirable
3) Less likely to be covered in chav tat.

It's more of an issue of the car itself than it is the driver- well, it's more of an issue of price comparison sites being crap for taking into account modifications. If you have a modified vehicle, you really need to use a proper broker.

You'll need to declare your mods to the insurance company, they aren't known.

If I was living in a nice town with nice roads, I wouldn't think twice about getting a really tidy BMW, but I happen to live near the middle of no where, roads are beyond repair, dirty and narrow. Need something that can take that sort of wear n tear, so I'm leaning towards a subaru, something with 4wd especially.

If I happened to buy one of these tuned up cars, then 'forgot' to mention the turbo injection etc....or let's pretend I didn't know....would insurance be void?

I guess either way insurance is going to be high if I want something showy/fast, unless I go through a specialist broker, will do some research,

thanks again, very useful sub-forum here smile.gif

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 03:56 PM

If you were involved in an accident, they wouldn't pay out, basically. Not to you, and they'd then hound you through the small claims court to get back anything they paid out to a third party. Then they'd blacklist you and potentially report you to the police for fraud. Really not worth it over a couple of hundred quid.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 05:10 PM Edited by Lurch, 03 February 2013 - 06:02 PM.

I quite like those first gen turbo 2000's. Wish we had a more affordable older subaru here (aside from the super rare Legacy Sports Sedans and XT4 turbos, and the really old, no-so-powerful GL and Loyale turbos.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 07:58 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 03:56)
QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 00:23)
How about you shut your piehole?

How about you grow the f*ck up and deal with it? Seriously, it's like having a whining toddler on the forum.

You all need to mature in attitude. Everytime I turn around there is instigating and arguing here. Can we just have peaceful discussions? dontgetit.gif It's not hard, lol.

Anyways, I'd honestly go for the BMW as well...

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 09:14 PM

QUOTE (Kifflom112 @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 20:58)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 03:56)
QUOTE (Sup3rman @ Sunday, Feb 3 2013, 00:23)
How about you shut your piehole?

How about you grow the f*ck up and deal with it? Seriously, it's like having a whining toddler on the forum.

You all need to mature in attitude. Everytime I turn around there is instigating and arguing here. Can we just have peaceful discussions? dontgetit.gif It's not hard, lol.

Anyways, I'd honestly go for the BMW as well...

Please don't try and patronise me, I've already discussed it with sup3rman via PM and an understanding gas been reached.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Saturday, Feb 2 2013, 14:40)
As for which you should get, what do you really want? Do you want something that's enjoyable and rewarding to drive? In which case I'd go for the BMW? Or a white-good form of transport that will take a monumental kicking before breaking? In which case I'd take the Subaru.

I hope you're not implying that the STi isn't fun to drive... or else I think you have Toyota mixed up with Subaru. I drove a manual E36 for a few hours and it felt sluggish and dull compared to my WRX. The base Impreza (which is the model I'm assuming you were referring to) is an econobox whereas the WRX (especially in recent years) and STi are performance, enthusiast cars that tend to out-perform all but the most top-of-the-line BMW's. The WRX/STi and the N/A Impreza's are very different cars with very different audiences.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:13 AM

The OP of the thread very obviously isn't looking for an STi or a WRX, though, it seems pretty clear to me that he's interested in N/A models. If so, I'd have to agree with Garfield on the recommendation of a 330i or 330ci.




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