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#121

Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:16 PM Edited by AtomicPunk, 11 January 2013 - 05:27 PM.

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Thursday, Jan 10 2013, 18:16)
QUOTE (Melchior @ Thursday, Jan 10 2013, 23:05)
QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Friday, Jan 11 2013, 07:38)
You people in the U.K should worry about the U.K., not my country. You handed over your freedoms....hell, you never fought for'em to begin with, so you deserve what you have.

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What about the numerous revolutions throughout history that lead to Britain becoming a paragon of democracy? And I have no idea how you measure freedom because Britain tops the US consistently in things like freedom of speech and government transparency. Or is the level of "freedom" directly proportional to how well armed the citizenry is?

Having had a dig through one of the sets of combined meta-statistics, the US is actually slightly freer due to the lack of weighting on things like "firearm freedoms". If you remove them from the freedom statistic- I mean, come on, it's pretty much only the US where there's an enshrined right to firearm ownership- the UK and US are level pegging. If you remove freedom from taxation- which is a fundamental contradiction as taxation is part of the social contract for citizen membership of the state, and without state membership a citizen is effectively without rights at all- then the UK trounces the US. I can scarcely believe that the great capitalist nation of the US ranks significantly lower on business and property ownership than the "socialist" UK, can you?

But in the big one, the EIU "Democracy Index", the UK tops the US. Oh, and in the "Freedom from Corruption Index", too. And at least one of the Business Freedom indices. And the Freedom of the Press index. What were you all saying about Brits handing their rights in at the door?

Taxation is illegal in most cases in America, and is certainly unpopular, with all the money that's missing and nothing getting done, like the upkeeping of roads, etc.. But *they* wanna raise them even higher. That's what the British didn't seem to understand, and one of the reasons they left running for their lives. And you're close to right about buisness, as of late. We can thank people like the banksters, crooked politicians like the Clintons and Nafta for that, among other things. As far as freedom of the press, I think you're wrong there. The same people who own the banks, own all medias. How can there be freedom when one group of people own & control the game and everything in it, AND make all the rules?

About you being left-winged: I don't mean it as an insult, but you reek of it. If it quacks like a duck...


As far as your claim that socialism is better than capitolism: Puhlease. Socialism has failed so many times--I mean, how many more before you all get it? It doesn't work. It will never happen in the U.S. either. There would be civil war before that ever happens and Obama has figured that out. There'll be civil war anyway. It's very near. At this point, all it will take is a couple little things to set it off. The rubberband is that tight--the people being the rubber band. IMO, politicians are about to be held accountable by the people. There should've been a revolution long ago. Should be one every 15-20 years, if you ask me. But at the same time, I don't agree with this version of capitolism either. Too many crooks in the game. Too many dual citizens.

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I agree with what you said. Good post.

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Americans have the right to bear arms, and always will. How else could a people protect themselves from a tyrannical government like the U.S. government. The forefather knew it was only a matter of time before this country ended up in the wrong hands, like it is today, and they knew that is the one gift, the only gift, that would save the people. Not to mention protecting oneself from criminals. Cops take too long. Where I live, I am the cops. Unfortunately, there are idiots that have guns, that shouldn't own them. Too many irresponsible people out there. But everyone cannot be punished because of the idiots. This whole thing about assault rifles is laughable because the same damn thing can be done with a .22. The second ammendment is here to stay and when it all goes down, anti-gun nuts will be cowering behind people like me, fighting for what's right.

When people start burning video games, and pulling music off the shelf, etc., etc., they are illegally infringing on freedom. What idiots they are!

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 05:39 PM

BULLSH*T. I Played Gta all my life and havent robbed or killed anyone. This is utter Nonsense.....It is like blaming Soda for fat people (No Pun intended to anyone)

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:21 PM Edited by Kifflom112, 11 January 2013 - 06:24 PM.

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Name me one nation that specifically states you have the right to drive drunk?

The U.S. says anything not specificly reserved to the feds belongs to the states and people.
So it isn't a case of 'giving' the right to do something.

No, you're dodging the point.

So by your analogy the 'right' to drive drunk or the 'right' to do anything belongs to the people. So I can have the 'right' to murder somebody yu know as that right belongs to the state and myself?

No, no it does not.

monocle.gif How exactly is this relevant to burning videogames from people stupid enoughvto turn them in?

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 06:59 PM Edited by sivispacem, 11 January 2013 - 07:24 PM.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Friday, Jan 11 2013, 18:16)
Taxation is illegal in most cases in America

Hilarious. Care to direct me towards something which categorically proves that taxation is illegal or largely illegal in the US, rather than deferring a proportion of it to be the sole responsibility of the state?

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Friday, Jan 11 2013, 18:16)
As far as freedom of the press, I think you're wrong there.

Think I'm wrong all you want. The facts speak for themselves.

UK ranking on the Reporters Without Borders Freedom of the Press Index 2011-12- 28th
US ranking on the Reporters Without Borders Freedom of the Press Index 2011-12- 47th

How can you argue with that?

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Friday, Jan 11 2013, 18:16)
About you being left-winged: I don't mean it as an insult, but you reek of it. If it quacks like a duck...

Then, if you forgive my extension of the metaphor, you've obviously been told a fish is a duck. Part of the issue is not your own doing- the fact that various parties in the US have spent the best part of the last hundred years telling the citizenry that the centre and centre-right are the "left wing" in order to justify their own extremism. Compare US conceptions of what "left-wing" means to anyone else's understanding and you'll come up with two totally different ideas- one from pretty much the rest of the world, and one from the US alone. But it's not as if there isn't a whole wealth of information around which actually enables you to school yourself in what these terms really mean. You should try it out sometime, instead of getting your definitions from hard-line Conservatives.

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As far as your claim that socialism is better than capitolism: Puhlease.

When have I ever claimed that? What an idiotic straw man.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Friday, Jan 11 2013, 18:16)
Socialism has failed so many times

I'm not aware of any purely socialist state ever having existed. The best benchmark for economics, in my view, is the expansive and Capitalism-rooted Ordoliberal social market economy created in postwar Germany. That's got some socialist policies on top of a basis of market capitalism, and it resulted in the fastest period of economic expansion and social progression that's ever occurred in the Western world. That's a working application of socialist policies, though not actual socialism proper. But then again, I never made the statement that Socialism was superior to Capitalism (and in my view it isn't) so your diatribe is completely irrelevant.

QUOTE (AtomicPunk @ Friday, Jan 11 2013, 18:16)
There would be civil war before that ever happens and Obama has figured that out.

The fact you think current US policies are socialist at all- never mind an indicator of a progression towards actual Socialism (note the use of capitals), indicates to me that you've clearly got absolutely no understanding of the subjects you are trying to discuss. The nature of your argument supports this. Please, if you want to debate the issue properly, at least school yourself in the proper definitions of the terms you throw about like confetti.

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 07:08 PM

Yea, it's not guns or bad parenting, it's video games.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 04:16 AM

QUOTE (MIKON8ERISBACK @ Saturday, Jan 5 2013, 22:21)
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Nothing new really, people have been going against violent video games for years by doing all sorts of stuff but it does absolutely nothing. Video games will thrive for years to come and the argument (one of them) that the next motive for upcoming mass shootings (I absolutely hope there won't be any) will be violent video games. Obviously it's all speculation though, but yet at the same time it comes from idiots, so really all we're seeing here is another case of idiocy and time wasting.

Video games are the new motion pictures. Literally. Very recently, revenue from video game sales began to overtake that of movies. Video games nowadays are a lot like 100% interactive player controlled CGI motion pictures. I really hope that people are waking up and will soon realize the real roots of the problem rather than solely blaming guns or video games.

Outlaw neither. Instead, we need some good old fashioned common sense parenting and law enforcement.

And if Smellevision or the Holodeck came into fruition, they'll surely blame it for the next school shooting. I do agree, I have to say that this is fast becoming like the latter-day Salem witch hunts in which people went batsh*t and blamed everyone irrationally.

While I do commiserate on the victims of the Sandy Hook and the recent Kawit, Cavite shootings, I do hate it when they go too emotional and flick the finger on something they can easily blame on.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:09 PM

"They" are really freaking out.

Woman Arrested for Breach of Peace when she was discovered with a BB Gun at a Town Hall Meeting.

News reader says, "Teenager was Arrested for having brought a Pellet Gun WITH a SILENCER to school. The Teen was expelled from school after the school Resource Officer found it in the teens backpack."

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#128

Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

If your so obstinate about the right to tool yourself up, why don't you go to Yemen? They've got a constitutionally enshrined right to bear arms, and I hear the weather's nice too.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:06 PM Edited by lil weasel, 12 January 2013 - 07:30 PM.

I fail to see your problem with the U.S. Constitution. Our 'protections' are enumerated in that piece of paper. It takes ratification by the States to change it. Although there are many corrupt (some don't even realize it) minds that demand changes that in the Long Run could end the 'Experiment' in this new government.

Just because your Parliament can change its mind in a minute without regard to what the People want you should consider how that protects your 'rights', and cry in your own beer over our amendments.
Then I suppose that being part of a government that has ingrained the need for the peons to kneel, bow, and submit to the Elite, what can we expect?
'Sour Grapes' for your need to bring everyone else to your level of subservience.

Again, I will remind you of how your people had to BEG U.S. citizens supply personal arms for your Home Defense arms when 'you' were disarmed prior to the World War.
Citizens need to be armed for Defense against enemies, both Foreign and Domestic.
Our Forefathers had to deal with overbearing government and wanted to protect the future society from having to go through it again.
And, yes, the War Between the States seemed to have proven it.

Your foolish reference to Yeman shows how silly you can be. We have a FREEdom of Religion,and spanish isn't yet the official language.
Article (2) Islam is the religion of The state and Arabic is its official language.
Article (3) Islamic Shari'ah is the source of all legislation.
Article (35) No organization, individual , group, political party or organization may establish forces or paramilitary groups for whatever purpose or under any name.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:23 PM

Shouldn't this topic be closed? They called off the video game burning, which is what they should've done a minute after planning it, lol.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Jan 12 2013, 16:06)
I fail to see your problem with the U.S. Constitution.

That's because I don't have one. Which you would have realised had you not failed to read anything I'd previously written.

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Jan 12 2013, 16:06)
Just because your Parliament can change its mind in a minute without regard to what the People want you should consider how that protects your 'rights', and cry in your own beer over our amendments.

Did you not see the various statistics I posted earlier that demonstrate, empirically and without dispute, that there are more political freedoms- that is, in a democracy, a more direct link between the views of the populace as represented, and the political direction the nation takes, than in the US? I guess not, otherwise you wouldn't have continued with this idiotic, 1776-inspired hyperbole.

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'Sour Grapes' for your need to bring everyone else to your level of subservience.

Sour grapes yourself. You're a US citizen, you're less free than most European citizens. Your lecturing them on the meanings of freedom in relation to firearm rights are highly ironic given that the US languishes behind pretty much the entire EU in just about any measure of freedom you care to take. Typical, hyperbolic, right-wing-pandering bullsh*t. If you had even the slightest clue what you were taking about you wouldn't venture remotely near to such idiotic concepts and arguments.

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Jan 12 2013, 16:06)
Again, I will remind you of how your people had to BEG U.S. citizens supply personal arms for your Home Defense arms when 'you' were disarmed prior to the World War.

Oh, the "we saved your ass" argument? What next? Godwin's law?

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Jan 12 2013, 16:06)
Citizens need to be armed for Defense against enemies, both Foreign and Domestic.

Do they? This is an opinion, badly dressed up as a factual statement. Care to quantify it?

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Your foolish reference to Yeman shows how silly you can be.

Not really. It's "Yemen", by the way, but please enlighten me on how this is "silly", seen as you seem dead-set on presenting the right of individuals to bear arms above all other rights, including freedom of speech, political expression, et al. What's stupid about suggesting other states where your right to firearms may not be impeded, given that you're obviously so displeased with the interpretations that law-makers are coming forth with concerning the Second Amendment. I mean, what else are you going to do? Not armed resistance, that's for sure.

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Jan 12 2013, 16:06)
Article (2) Islam is the religion of The state and Arabic is its official language.

How is that any different from Protestant Christianity being the de facto religion of the United States, and English being the official language?

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Jan 12 2013, 16:06)
Article (3) Islamic Shari'ah is the source of all legislation.

The bible is effectively the source of all legislation in the US, either directly or indirectly. The idea of a separation of church and state in the US is a completely absurd sham.

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Saturday, Jan 12 2013, 16:06)
Article (35) No organization, individual, group, political party or organization may establish forces or paramilitary groups for whatever purpose or under any name.

The right to assemble armed militias in the US is similarly restricted.

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:05 PM

Turns out its actually been cancelled, so that's a good thing. Sorry if this has already been posted.

http://www.escapistm...-Videogame-Cull

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 10:35 PM

In overall civil liberties, both personal and economic (according to the Worldwide Index of Human Freedom) the US has Britain beat, along with most of Europe, save for Ireland and the Netherlands. However the US is three spots below Australia, so I'm sure weasel is burning with envy over my near-unparalleled political freedoms. Just as I am extremely jealous of the undisputed, number one champion of freedom: New Zealand. Weasel, why don't you explain in what sense the US is more free than other countries?

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, Jan 13 2013, 23:35)
In overall civil liberties, both personal and economic (according to the Worldwide Index of Human Freedom) the US has Britain beat, along with most of Europe, save for Ireland and the Netherlands.

You've gotta remember that the Fraser Institute is quite right-wing. Their measure of "freedom" might be quite different from, say, the Economist Intelligence Unit or Free Existence. Here's the PDF of EIU's Democracy Index, which put's the UK one place above the US (18th and 19th respectively), the Excel spreadsheets from the Freedom Meta-Index which divide each nation into freedom categories, and ranks a long way below the UK on the Centre for Systemic Peace's Global Report- the US having a rank of 3 out of 25 (25 being failed state, 0 being perfect stability) and the UK being ranked at 0. Along with New Zealand on 0, but not Australia on 2, I might add. Even more interestingly, that's a US report...

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Posted 13 January 2013 - 11:38 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Monday, Jan 14 2013, 09:00)
QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, Jan 13 2013, 23:35)
In overall civil liberties, both personal and economic (according to the Worldwide Index of Human Freedom) the US has Britain beat, along with most of Europe, save for Ireland and the Netherlands.

You've gotta remember that the Fraser Institute is quite right-wing. Their measure of "freedom" might be quite different from, say, the Economist Intelligence Unit or Free Existence. Here's the PDF of EIU's Democracy Index, which put's the UK one place above the US (18th and 19th respectively), the Excel spreadsheets from the Freedom Meta-Index which divide each nation into freedom categories, and ranks a long way below the UK on the Centre for Systemic Peace's Global Report- the US having a rank of 3 out of 25 (25 being failed state, 0 being perfect stability) and the UK being ranked at 0. Along with New Zealand on 0, but not Australia on 2, I might add. Even more interestingly, that's a US report...

The Worldwide Index of Human Freedom measures civil liberties, not really the same thing as sustainability and democracy. In theory, you could have an unsustainable dictatorship where people are extremely free. tounge.gif

When the American-right spew rhetoric about America being more free, they're talking about the individual's autonomy, not the "collective rights" of the citizenry relating to governance. That's why it's interesting that the more right-wing indexes still rank America below Australia and Canada. It's also interesting that the 2013 Economic Freedom Index chastises America for its increased regulation and even the recent health care act (and the associated taxes) even blaming it for America's low ranking. However, when it comes time to comment on Australia's high ranking Australia's institutionalised protection (in other words, regulation) of trade and property rights are lauded by the exact same institute.

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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, Jan 13 2013, 18:38)
QUOTE (sivispacem @ Monday, Jan 14 2013, 09:00)
QUOTE (Melchior @ Sunday, Jan 13 2013, 23:35)
In overall civil liberties, both personal and economic (according to the Worldwide Index of Human Freedom) the US has Britain beat, along with most of Europe, save for Ireland and the Netherlands.

You've gotta remember that the Fraser Institute is quite right-wing. Their measure of "freedom" might be quite different from, say, the Economist Intelligence Unit or Free Existence. Here's the PDF of EIU's Democracy Index, which put's the UK one place above the US (18th and 19th respectively), the Excel spreadsheets from the Freedom Meta-Index which divide each nation into freedom categories, and ranks a long way below the UK on the Centre for Systemic Peace's Global Report- the US having a rank of 3 out of 25 (25 being failed state, 0 being perfect stability) and the UK being ranked at 0. Along with New Zealand on 0, but not Australia on 2, I might add. Even more interestingly, that's a US report...

The Worldwide Index of Human Freedom measures civil liberties, not really the same thing as sustainability and democracy. In theory, you could have an unsustainable dictatorship where people are extremely free. tounge.gif

When the American-right spew rhetoric about America being more free, they're talking about the individual's autonomy, not the "collective rights" of the citizenry relating to governance. That's why it's interesting that the more right-wing indexes still rank America below Australia and Canada. It's also interesting that the 2013 Economic Freedom Index chastises America for its increased regulation and even the recent health care act (and the associated taxes) even blaming it for America's low ranking. However, when it comes time to comment on Australia's high ranking Australia's institutionalised protection (in other words, regulation) of trade and property rights are lauded by the exact same institute.

Are Australian regulations structured better than ours here in the US? If so, that might be why. The US has plenty of regulations that fail to solve the original problem. An example would be how the recent health care act fails to lower costs (our real problem). It just shifts more of the costs from the consumers to the insurance firms.




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