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LeDivant
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

Vice City's soundtrack was brilliant in nearly all regards - it managed to cover the time period of the 1980s without being massively obvious about it (ie. no Duran Duran; Madonna etc.) as well as encapsulate a bit of a Miami-feel with things like Radio Espantoso, and the 2 Live Crew on Wildstyle.

What I've always wondered is why no alternative/Indie rock station was included. Seems like a no-brainer for music-lovers like Rockstar to remain true to the period whilst being able to include some really unique music. I was surprised that they didn't even force a few alternative songs into any of the other stations.

Bands from the period that could have been included:
  • Echo & The Bunnymen - eg. 'The Back of Love'; 'The Cutter'; 'The Killing Moon'
  • REM - eg. 'Radio Free Europe'; 'Rockville'; 'Superman'
  • Violent Femmes - 'Children of the Revolution'; 'Add It Up'
  • Bauhaus - 'Harry'; 'Kick in the Eye'; 'Ziggy Stardust'
  • Siouxsie & The Banshees - 'Spellbound'; 'Firework'; 'Cities in Dust'
  • Joy Division - 'Digital'; 'Transmission'; 'Love Will Tear Us Apart'
  • The Cure - 'Fire In Cairo'; 'Pornography'; 'Screw'
  • The Smiths - 'This Charming Man'; 'Panic'

Any ideas as to why this essential 80s genre wasn't included?

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 12:46 PM

I'd class most of these songs as New Wave, not alternative.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 02:19 PM

QUOTE (LeDivant @ Tuesday, Jan 1 2013, 08:35)

Any ideas as to why this essential 80s genre wasn't included?

It would have cost them more money to produce the game-- and I think they were trying to capture the POPular music of the time.

It is also reasonable to expect their licensing agreement was with a single record label, and those bands/songs weren't with them at the time.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 04:41 PM

QUOTE (buzbegone @ Tuesday, Jan 1 2013, 07:46)
I'd class most of these songs as New Wave, not alternative.

None of those are New Wave.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:53 AM

You can't differentiate between George Harrison and Justin Bieber; your opinion is invalid.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:29 AM

QUOTE (buzbegone @ Wednesday, Jan 2 2013, 14:53)
You can't differentiate between George Harrison and Justin Bieber; your opinion is invalid.

Not many people would know it though, I think less than 50% of people would KNOW FOR SURE that that's George Harrison, it doesn't really look like it in the picture.

Of all people I would say it looks like Luke Skywalker, but that's irrelevant,

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:10 PM

QUOTE (lzw3 @ Wednesday, Jan 2 2013, 06:29)
QUOTE (buzbegone @ Wednesday, Jan 2 2013, 14:53)
You can't differentiate between George Harrison and Justin Bieber; your opinion is invalid.

Not many people would know it though, I think less than 50% of people would KNOW FOR SURE that that's George Harrison, it doesn't really look like it in the picture.

Of all people I would say it looks like Luke Skywalker, but that's irrelevant,

He's just an idiot, ignore him. You'd have to have brain damage to say the Violent Femmes were New Wave.

On topic: I wouldve liked to have seen more alternative music as well, OP, but I think for Vice City they were specifically going for the Poppy, Flashy Cindi Lauper kind of 80s, which is my favorite. VCS couldve taken it in another direction but it was mostly Disco/Late 70s music themed.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 06:38 PM Edited by mitchnorton, 02 January 2013 - 06:43 PM.

I'm pretty sure R.E.M. are NOT indie. At least in the mid 80's they weren't anymore. And george harrison looks nothing like justin bieber. But there's no need to get worked up about it. I'm sure that Zee just had an incredibly quick glance at the picture and thought it was justin bieber, because honestly if I wasn't paying attention, I'd might have mistaken him too. On the note of 70's disco, I think that K109 in TBoGT captured that essence well.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:33 PM

Don't you think that:

1. Rockstar wanted to capture the feel of tacky, flashy part of the '80, so they choose these songs?
2. They could of course put milion of different songs, but unfortunately limited resources (budget and disk space) made them choose these instead of others?We of course could have them, but other radiostation would have to go.
3. You can put these songs into specific folder and listed them while playing (on PC and Xbox) if feel the urge to have alternative music station?

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:09 AM

QUOTE (Zee @ Thursday, Jan 3 2013, 01:10)
QUOTE (lzw3 @ Wednesday, Jan 2 2013, 06:29)
QUOTE (buzbegone @ Wednesday, Jan 2 2013, 14:53)
You can't differentiate between George Harrison and Justin Bieber; your opinion is invalid.

Not many people would know it though, I think less than 50% of people would KNOW FOR SURE that that's George Harrison, it doesn't really look like it in the picture.

Of all people I would say it looks like Luke Skywalker, but that's irrelevant,

He's just an idiot, ignore him. You'd have to have brain damage to say the Violent Femmes were New Wave.

Hence why I said most. You probaby checked VF on Wikipedia and scurried back here to claim mental dominance.

QUOTE (mitchnorton @ Thursday, Jan 3 2013, 02:38)
But there's no need to get worked up about it. I'm sure that Zee just had an incredibly quick glance at the picture and thought it was justin bieber, because honestly if I wasn't paying attention, I'd might have mistaken him too.

Exactly, had a quick glance and typed before he thought. It seems the majority of his posts leave out the 'thinking' aspect. He should really think before making stupid accusations without evidence but I wouldn't bet on it.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 07:17 AM

I always felt that with Vice City, because they didn't think they'd be going back to the 80's, they just splashed out on well known songs to make a kick ass sound track to capture everything of the 80's, such as Flash FM, the first song you hear in the game is Billie Jean, but time wise that came out in 1983, 3 years BEFORE Vice City was set.

Of course you have label stuff, in regards to The Smiths, Morrissey is known to open dislike the songs being used in the "wrong" way, hell, VCFM on EFLC was suppose to have "Everyday Is Like Sunday" but that was blocked! So for a lot of stuff, it's down to rights, which has haunted Vice City recently with the mobile version losing many songs due to Sony Music.

Vice City Stories, to me, had a much tighter soundtrack, all the songs were in that four year gap, with a few 70' songs sneaking in depending on the stations format, it felt closer to how radio should actually be, Wave 103 was great here, we even had The Cure on it!

The New Romantic era vibe was just ignore in Vice City, but at least VCS acknowledge it, with the art style appearing on Billboards through the city, artists like The Passions, etc, being on the radio.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 02:24 PM

QUOTE (Ash_735 @ Thursday, Jan 3 2013, 02:17)
I always felt that with Vice City, because they didn't think they'd be going back to the 80's, they just splashed out on well known songs to make a kick ass sound track to capture everything of the 80's, such as Flash FM, the first song you hear in the game is Billie Jean, but time wise that came out in 1983, 3 years BEFORE Vice City was set.

Of course you have label stuff, in regards to The Smiths, Morrissey is known to open dislike the songs being used in the "wrong" way, hell, VCFM on EFLC was suppose to have "Everyday Is Like Sunday" but that was blocked! So for a lot of stuff, it's down to rights, which has haunted Vice City recently with the mobile version losing many songs due to Sony Music.

Vice City Stories, to me, had a much tighter soundtrack, all the songs were in that four year gap, with a few 70' songs sneaking in depending on the stations format, it felt closer to how radio should actually be, Wave 103 was great here, we even had The Cure on it!

The New Romantic era vibe was just ignore in Vice City, but at least VCS acknowledge it, with the art style appearing on Billboards through the city, artists like The Passions, etc, being on the radio.

You're absolutely right on the money. I liked the vibe in VCS, it was more late 70s. Nothing beats "Love Has Come Around" while cruising in an infernus.




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