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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:39 AM Edited by Shiggys, 06 June 2013 - 05:28 PM.

I haven't noticed a thread about this title yet, so I figured I'd make one.

Anyway, The Phantom Pain was announced at the VGAs this past Friday and a lot of speculation has occurred as to what it could possibly be. Well, I think it's safe to assume that Hideo Kojima secretly revealed Metal Gear Solid V to the masses. Here's why:

- Moby Dick Studios doesn't actually exist and the CEO behind this "company" is named Joakim Mogren.
- If you rearrange Joakim, you get Kojima.
- Project Ogre was reportedly Kojima's working title for the Fox Engine. Mogren has the word "ogre" in it.
- The Phantom Pain could refer to the sudden pain amputees feel from a limb that isn't actually there. Or it could refer to Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes' tagline "From fox, two phantoms were born".
- There are a lot of subtle hints at famous characters from the MGS series in this trailer, such as The Boss, Volgin and of course, Big Boss himself.
- The protagonist eerily resembles Big Boss/Naked Snake (though there are some crazier theories out there that this could be a clone of Big Boss such as Liquid or even a new clone)


So basically, there are a lot of hints that this game is actually MGS V. I'll also just dump some things I have found around the net these past few hours for everyone to see.

Here we have the title of the game from the trailer. Look at the extra lines on some of the letters and notice some of the letters are missing pieces to them. Metal Gear Solid V fits perfectly here.


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Here we have some shots of the Phantom Pain trailer as well as comparison shots of past characters and references to major events that unfold throughout the MGS timeline (such as the fight with The Boss in a field of flowers.)

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Another image comparison of a Colonel Volgin and a burning figure in the trailer that looks a lot like Volgin. Check the thighs and notice he's wearing the same type of armor/clothing as Volgin is in the shot below.

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There is even this tweet that provides further evidence that this Konami definitely has some involvement with the game.

Here's the tweet in question


Also, another thing to take note on: Kyle Cooper is famous for making title sequences for several films and two video games (Metal Gear Solid 2 & 3). Here is a very interesting image of Mr. Cooper wearing a Phantom Pain/Moby Dick Studios shirt with someone.

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The idea that Kojima could be taking inspiration from Moby Dick brings a lot of theories to the table. It could imply that Big Boss is the captain and his pursuit of the Boss' vision and his outer heaven is the Moby Dick, which eventually leads to his madness and downfall. I say this because it seems very clear to me that Big Boss is the man we see in the trailer.

One thing to note is that this Big Boss looking character is seriously f*cked up. He's missing an arm, he's wearing a bandage over his head and eye. It would also explain some of the plot points in the classic NES Metal Gear Games where Big Boss has artificial organs and limbs... maybe I'm reaching there, but I think this is ultimately the very beginning of Phantom Pain (MGSV) where Big Boss wakes from a coma after the events of Ground Zeroes. Heres another image of the Big Boss looking man with a scar over his cheek that resembles the scar over Big Boss' cheek.

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My theory: What if Metal Gear Solid V is comprised of two portions? Ground Zeroes is the prologue (just like the Tanker chapter) and when you reach a certain point, it becomes The Phantom Pain? Technically speaking, GZ was just a tech demo shown in PAX and was never officially announced for release. So Ground Zeroes could essentially be the first part in this epic and Phantom Pain could very well be the second part. This, gentlemen, has got to be Metal Gear Solid V... the evidence is clear and you can look around the web yourselves.

What say you, GTAForumers? Is this really Metal Gear Solid V or is this all an elaborate ruse to stir the community?


EDIT: Here's a still shot at the very end of the trailer. It appears the figure in the background strongly resembles Psycho Mantis or a doll equivalent to Mantis. Perhaps this person is the one manipulating our character's mind? Perhaps it could be The Sorrow?

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The actual artwork of Psycho Mantis cira MGS1 user posted image

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EDIT2: Here is a still shot of several of these patients getting shot. Everybody but Snake is getting hit by bullets. Weird.

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Also, who the hell could this be? Young Mantis, possibly? The hair kind of resembles Paz's, so I'm not sure what to make of it.

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Giant flaming whale eating helicopter in the form of a gif.

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It's official, The Phantom Pain is Metal Gear Solid 5 (or V). But that's not all, The Phantom Pain and Ground Zeroes are one in the same. Meaning, Ground Zeroes is probably going to be the prologue or first act of MGS5. In an interview with "Joakim Mogren", he stated that all will be revealed about what the hell Phantom Pain is. Well, we got it. Here's the 5 minute trailer. The song is Not Your Kind of People by Garbage... so 90's.



And here we have 5 minutes of gameplay footage where 'Ishmael' is escorting Big Boss through a hospital. "Let's take the stairs!"



Sound off with your speculation below. I want to read your thoughts like Psycho Mantis. But for real, share your thoughts and theories! I'll start.


Here we have Kaz and Big Boss in critical condition. Kaz asks if Big Boss is going to be alright to which the doctor says he has fallen into a coma. The key thing here is when Kaz looks at the camera and asks, "What about him?". So we know there was a third person with them, a male in particular. It could be anyone, really, but the popular theory floating around is that this third person is Ishmael... more on him later.

I think that if it's not Ishmael then it may be Chico or some nameless rank soldier from Motherbase. Like I said, the popular theory is that it is this Ishmael character and it's a favorable theory no less.

Kaz, Big Boss and a third unknown man in ICU. All critically wounded.


Here we see a glimmer of emotion from Big Boss. He's literally watching his dream being destroyed in front of him and there isn't anything he can do about it. I think sometime after this moment in the trailer the helicopter he and Kaz Miller escape in gets taken down and crashes leaving only three survivors (Big Boss, Kaz and nameless/faceless man).

Sad Big Boss


Ok, I'm a firm believer that 'Ishmael' is Frank Jaegar/Hunter/Gray Fox. I don't have proof, but I just have a gut feeling that it's the Gray Fox that we know and love, well before he made a name for himself and probably just after he was rescued by Big Boss.

It should be important to note the heavy influence the novel Moby Dick has had on this project thus far. In the novel, the narrator and main protagonist is named Ishmael. The events of the novel is seen through his eyes. Also in the novel, Ishmael provides little about his personal background before his decision at the beginning of the novel to journey to Nantucket, Massachusetts to enlist as a sailor on a whaler. There is evidence in the text to suggest that he was formerly a school-teacher who left that life of theory to pursue the more practical life at sea. Perhaps Ishmael in MGS5 made the personal decision at the beginning of the game (and perhaps off screen) to become a soldier for MSF at Motherbase. Perhaps he was a common man with an everyday job that decided to pursue a life in the military. Who knows, but I feel for certain that he will play a HUGE role in this game, perhaps more than even Big Boss. We'll see.

Ishmael aka Gray Fox? Possible protagonist? Third man in ICU?


This has got to be a young, pre-teen Psycho Mantis. I feel very confident it's him. "But what about the hair? It looks like a woman! Looks like Paz!"

I strongly doubt Paz has red hair, to which Mantis originally did have red hair and wore a gas mask to control his power so he didn't have to read thousands of thoughts at once and go mad. Also, it's important to note that Mantis burned his village down as a child. He has pyrokinetic abilities as well. Plus, around the time Big Boss wakes up is likely 1983 (9 years after the Ground Zeroes mission and Peace Walker). Mantis was born in 1970. He'd be 12-13 years old. The timing and character designs just fit. Now if it's not Mantis I'll be very shocked.

Psycho Mantis aged 12-13


I'm pretty sure this is a middle aged Revolver Ocelot. Or damn near close to middle age. By 1983, he'd be 39 years old.

Revolver Ocelot aged 39


It's also been stated that David Hayter will not be reprising his role as Big Boss in this game. I think this was a good choice for the purpose of the character's progression into age and plot. Big Boss should start sounding more like the Richard Doyle version of Big Boss or damn near close to it by now.

I love Hayter and I'd love for him to continue voicing Solid Snake (if that ever happens again. MGS6 fingers crossed!), but I think it's time for him to retire his voice from Big Boss for artistic reasons. That is all.


Kiefer Sutherland confirmed to be the voice and motion capture actor for Big Boss

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Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain's theme is 'Race' and 'Revenge'

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:52 AM

Also, here's the trailer for anyone that wants to see it for themselves.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:36 AM

I'm so, so freaking hyped right now. Oh yeah! But isn't it MGS: Ground Zeroes instead of MGS5?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:40 AM

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 12:36)
I'm so, so freaking hyped right now. Oh yeah! But isn't it MGS: Ground Zeroes instead of MGS5?

Hideo Kojima said that MGS:Ground Zeroes is before MGS 5.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:48 AM

If f*cking love Metal Gear, and I loved how MGS GZ was looking. I also loved that trailer for Phantom Pain, but I am starting to get a little impatient with the lack of info. I mean, people don't even know who that protagonist is in that trailer. It could even be Big Boss, as you never actually see the upper parts of his lower arm in MGS 4, so he could have an arm similar to Liquid by then.

I dunno, I just wish some solid information would get released!

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:49 AM Edited by Zancudo, 08 December 2012 - 11:52 AM.

QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 11:40)
QUOTE (Zancudo @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 12:36)
I'm so, so freaking hyped right now. Oh yeah! But isn't it MGS: Ground Zeroes instead of MGS5?

Hideo Kojima said that MGS:Ground Zeroes is before MGS 5.

Alright, it's confirmed to be MGS5, not Ground Zeroes. Amazing. The events in the trailer that occur to Big Boss, are probably just his nightmare (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). We can clearly see Volgin burning in the fire, and some guys even see Psycho Mantis there... which makes me kinda confused. Also, I'm not quite sure if Big Boss has ever had his hand amputated. Maybe it's just some kind of hallucination. And why "The Phantom Pain" ?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:54 AM

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 11:49)
And why "The Phantom Pain" ?

Phantom pain sensations are described as perceptions that an individual experiences relating to a limb or an organ that is not physically part of the body. Source.


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Posted 08 December 2012 - 11:56 AM Edited by Zancudo, 08 December 2012 - 12:00 PM.

http://www.mobydickstudio.se/en/

Haha, look at the logo... and the "company's" name. It's a penis!. Obviously it's all made up. Kojima and his crew = genius.

"The creator" of The Phantom Pain, Joakim (Kojima!) Mogren: https://www.facebook.com/joakim.mogren

They're so trolling on us icon14.gif .

What if it's not Big Boss in the trailer, but some other unknown clone?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:30 PM Edited by Shiggys, 08 December 2012 - 12:38 PM.

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 11:56)
What if it's not Big Boss in the trailer, but some other unknown clone?

That's a possibility. People have stated that he could actually be Liquid, but this character in the trailer shown to us lost is left arm as opposed to Liquid losing his right arm. So it can't be Liquid unless they did some more retconning. However, some believe him to be a failed clone that has gone through extreme rapid aging and is slowly losing his mind. That one is a stretch, but it's cool to think that maybe there was a fourth clone.

Also, the doctor in the beginning strongly resembles Dr. Kio Marv from the classic Metal Gear games.

EDIT: Here's the still image of the doctor in the very beginning of the trailer that has a strong resemblance to Kio Marv.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:01 PM

Most people seem to have missed the most obvious clue: the quote from the Ground Zeroes trailer: "From Fox, two phantoms were born." wow.gif

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 13:01)
Most people seem to have missed the most obvious clue: the quote from the Ground Zeroes trailer: "From Fox, two phantoms were born." wow.gif

No, that is pretty damn obvious lol.

That tagline could refer to the Fox engine and it's two games (Ground Zeroes, V), but we'll just have to see where this goes tounge.gif

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 13:01)
Most people seem to have missed the most obvious clue: the quote from the Ground Zeroes trailer: "From Fox, two phantoms were born." wow.gif

And that means?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:06 PM

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 14:02)
QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 13:01)
Most people seem to have missed the most obvious clue: the quote from the Ground Zeroes trailer: "From Fox, two phantoms were born." wow.gif

And that means?

It's hard to explain.
BTW the part where he crawls under the bed seems very MGS.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:10 PM

One thing that makes me think this is not Big Boss:

Is that at the end of the trailer, when a guard directs a flashlight at his right eye, he uses a hand to cover, like it was blinding him or something. That could mean, that his right eye is actually unbroken. It might be Big Boss' fourth clone! Or, I don't know...

And who's the guy who follows Big Boss/fourth clone in the trailer? The one with his head all in bandana.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 13:56)
http://www.mobydickstudio.se/en/

Haha, look at the logo... and the "company's" name. It's a penis!. Obviously it's all made up. Kojima and his crew = genius.

No it's not, what the f*ck? Do you even know what Moby Dick is?

And I do think that's Big Boss, but it's not in real life. As you might notice, the good doctor... Let's call him 'Dr. Marv', says that he was in a coma for quite a bit time. I have a feeling that he's still in a coma and he's having a PTSD-fueled nightmare.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:41 PM

QUOTE (AreXi @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 13:31)
And I do think that's Big Boss, but it's not in real life. As you might notice, the good doctor... Let's call him 'Dr. Marv', says that he was in a coma for quite a bit time. I have a feeling that he's still in a coma and he's having a PTSD-fueled nightmare.

This seems to be the general consensus. I agree that it's Big Boss and it seem very likely this is all a Post Traumatic Stree Disorder hallucination/nightmare, but there is some evidence that suggests there is an entity similar to Mantis or Sorrow that could be manipulating the reality Big Boss perceives.

Either way, it's pretty cool and I'm definitely looking forward to more.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 01:48 PM

Haven't really been following this whole trend and eventhough I'm a huge MGS fan, I haven't played ALL the games nor have 100% knowledge of all the lore.

But anyways: nice trolling Kojima.

On a sidenote, is it foolish to think that I'm actually guessing this is a "Metal Gear" game but maybe even a totally different product of what the 'real' metal gear games were about? With Ground Zeroes they want to evolve the franchise (I guess) by adding more freedom and new gameplay elements (for the franchise). Metal Gear Revengeance is a fast paced adrenaline pumping hack and slash fest... but in the Metal Gear lore/world.

Now this might be something different aswell? Maybe they want to 'branch out' which is not odd considering how "huge" the franchise and world of Metal Gear is.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 03:22 PM

I think this is for MGS: Ground Zeroes.
This could be Volgin after he was on fire.
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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:30 PM

Wow, I was watching that trailer last night, and thinking to myself, this kind of looks like a Metal Gear Solid trailer. And I was also thinking, there has to be more to this game than running around a hospital.

If it is MGS5, I pray it'll come out for Xbox. I don't care if there are 5 discs. I was a PC gamer before DVD took over the format.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

Kojima is both a genius (with computers) and a f*ckin' retard (about everything else). What's the point of trying to be cryptic every time you announce a game when we all know what it is?

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:55 PM Edited by Forzum, 09 December 2012 - 12:38 PM.

This has to be MGS V, problaby prequel/sequel to GZ, either way Im so freaking hyped for both of them, if theres any game to reach a higher "hype" point than GTA V for me, its Metal Gear Solid.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 07:36 PM

QUOTE (Forzum @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 18:55)
This has to be MGS V, problaby sequel to GZ, either way Im so freaking hyped for both of them, they are, if theres any game to reach a higher "hype" point than GTA V for me, its Metal Gear Solid.

I agree, I'm not even that hyped for GTA V.
By the way, Hideo Kojima said that MGS: GZ is set before MGS V.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

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Kojima is both a genius (with computers) and a f*ckin' retard (about everything else). What's the point of trying to be cryptic every time you announce a game when we all know what it is?

Maybe this is all a ploy for something much bigger than Metal Gear Solid... perhaps it really is just a new IP and we've all been "had". He could do a complete 180 to f*ck with us further, but I feel pretty confident its Metal Gear related.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:15 PM

QUOTE (darthYENIK @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 17:30)
Wow, I was watching that trailer last night, and thinking to myself, this kind of looks like a Metal Gear Solid trailer. And I was also thinking, there has to be more to this game than running around a hospital.

If it is MGS5, I pray it'll come out for Xbox. I don't care if there are 5 discs. I was a PC gamer before DVD took over the format.

It'll likely come out on PS4/X720, after 2014 at least.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 14:15)
QUOTE (darthYENIK @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 17:30)
Wow, I was watching that trailer last night, and thinking to myself, this kind of looks like a Metal Gear Solid trailer.  And I was also thinking, there has to be more to this game than running around a hospital.

If it is MGS5, I pray it'll come out for Xbox.  I don't care if there are 5 discs.  I was a PC gamer before DVD took over the format.

It'll likely come out on PS4/X720, after 2014 at least.

NO.
The official site says PS3 and Xbox 360.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 03:47 PM

QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 13:20)
QUOTE (Zancudo @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 14:15)
QUOTE (darthYENIK @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 17:30)
Wow, I was watching that trailer last night, and thinking to myself, this kind of looks like a Metal Gear Solid trailer. And I was also thinking, there has to be more to this game than running around a hospital.

If it is MGS5, I pray it'll come out for Xbox. I don't care if there are 5 discs. I was a PC gamer before DVD took over the format.

It'll likely come out on PS4/X720, after 2014 at least.

NO.
The official site says PS3 and Xbox 360.

The site is fake, so it's not accurate to base on that.

However, if it's on this generation, this isn't MGS5. It's MGS: Ground Zeroes.

But it's pretty much confirmed that this is MGS5, a sequel to GZ, so it's easily to assume it's a next-gen title.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 04:01 PM Edited by theomenofficial, 09 December 2012 - 04:13 PM.

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 16:47)
QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 13:20)
QUOTE (Zancudo @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 14:15)
QUOTE (darthYENIK @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 17:30)
Wow, I was watching that trailer last night, and thinking to myself, this kind of looks like a Metal Gear Solid trailer. And I was also thinking, there has to be more to this game than running around a hospital.

If it is MGS5, I pray it'll come out for Xbox. I don't care if there are 5 discs. I was a PC gamer before DVD took over the format.

It'll likely come out on PS4/X720, after 2014 at least.

NO.
The official site says PS3 and Xbox 360.

The site is fake, so it's not accurate to base on that.

However, if it's on this generation, this isn't MGS5. It's MGS: Ground Zeroes.

But it's pretty much confirmed that this is MGS5, a sequel to GZ, so it's easily to assume it's a next-gen title.

I hope it's not on Next-gen.
I don't want to pay 600 for a new console! notify.gif
It has the same graphics as Ground Zeroes.

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Although The Phantom Pain seems to be use the same Fox Engine as Ground Zeroes its listed as an Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 title.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:00 PM

QUOTE (Zancudo @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 07:47)
QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 13:20)
QUOTE (Zancudo @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 14:15)
QUOTE (darthYENIK @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 17:30)
Wow, I was watching that trailer last night, and thinking to myself, this kind of looks like a Metal Gear Solid trailer. And I was also thinking, there has to be more to this game than running around a hospital.

If it is MGS5, I pray it'll come out for Xbox. I don't care if there are 5 discs. I was a PC gamer before DVD took over the format.

It'll likely come out on PS4/X720, after 2014 at least.

NO.
The official site says PS3 and Xbox 360.

The site is fake, so it's not accurate to base on that.

However, if it's on this generation, this isn't MGS5. It's MGS: Ground Zeroes.

But it's pretty much confirmed that this is MGS5, a sequel to GZ, so it's easily to assume it's a next-gen title.

I think it's easy to assume from the graphics that it's not running on a next-gen console. On top of that, I don't think the console makers allow developers/publishers to show anything running on their next-gen hardware until they officially announce the console.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:08 PM

QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 16:22)
I think this is for MGS: Ground Zeroes.
This could be Volgin after he was on fire.
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I think everyone is missing this important piece of potential evidence I found.

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Sunday, Dec 9 2012, 09:08)
QUOTE (theomenofficial @ Saturday, Dec 8 2012, 16:22)
I think this is for MGS: Ground Zeroes.
This could be Volgin after he was on fire.
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I think everyone is missing this important piece of potential evidence I found.

Volgin was on fire in MGS3. Both GZ and (we can assume) MGSV will take place after that. So if you are saying that he's all burnt up because the Phantom Pains trailer shows him burning (presumably), that doesn't make sense, because the guy burning would already be burnt up, or he wasn't burnt up, which would mean he survived the fire in MGS3, and would survive the fire in Phantom Pain. But I tend to go with the people that think that if that is Volgin in the Phantom Pain trailer, that it's a hallucination.




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