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theomenofficial
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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:37 PM Edited by theomenofficial, 04 December 2012 - 10:40 PM.

http://www.eurogamer...lled-hot-coffee
This includes an interview with Dan Houser. this story is HUGE.
It talks about how Hot Coffee was never meant to be released to the world.

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On 17 August 2004, just eight weeks from GTA: San Andreas' scheduled release date, Houser wrote to the team explaining: Graphic displays of sex cannot be shown in a Mature rated game The sex scenes that are in San Andreas currently are going to be considered graphic."

Kolbe assembled a list of the cuts required to guarantee the game an 'M' rating. Houser replied: This is WAY, WAY more than I expected. Not only is it insane to edit comedy like this - look at movies and everything else - to do so is going to be a lot of work and will screw with things

"Is this really as far as we can push it? I just cannot believe that. Changing this stuff will absolutely have a time impact. Let me know if this is really the final position.

Still smarting from the apparent injustice of the situation, Houser wrote in another email: Can we confirm that these are the content changes that need to be made? As I mentioned to Terry [Donovan, then CEO of Rockstar Games], I was pretty shocked by the list. The cuts are everywhere. It doesn't feel like we are pushing any boundaries now. Why bother? I really, really do not want to change this stuff. It feels SO wrong at the behest of psychotic, mormon [sic], capitalist retailers.

But the commercial imperative was clear: fail to make the cuts and the potential audience for GTA: San Andreas' could be restricted by the ratings board. The question now was how to extract the explicit material without breaking the wider game's functionality so close to release. An emergency meeting was called so that the senior managers could discuss a solution. During the meeting Houser explained: You can't always take a thing out of a game."

He had an alternative solution: rather than remove the content, the team could 'wrap' the sexual scenes so that while the relevant code would still be present on the game disc, it would be impossible for the player to access from within the game

As he put it in an internal email sent at a later date: We locked it away because there was no other way to get the game done on time - safely. The code is very interwoven in [GTA] and everything reacts to everything else. The impact of yanking something late is too scary.

The decision was made. The sex would remain, but the sex would remain hidden.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:22 PM

Great work theomenofficial. Sure I'll read it when I find some free time smile.gif icon14.gif

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

This shows how much Hot Coffee has hurt Rockstar. They wanted to explore another part of the media, sex, but it just bit them in the ass.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:06 AM

Atleast they've confessed to being the originator of the programming. They originally blamed it on a 3rd party programmer - I believe it was PatrickW- I hope that whomever got blamed can feel a bit better that RockStar has finally stepped up and taken the blame now that the hype has died down, the lawsuit is over, and the settlement is no longer in effect. confused.gif

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 04:59 AM Edited by ˸, 05 December 2012 - 05:07 AM.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:40 AM

The big question on my mind is what would have become of Grand Theft Auto and Rockstar Games if they refused to remove the sexual content from the game.

Would the game have been refused classification in certain countries?
Would GTA be what it is today?
Would the Housers still be at Rockstar?

Personally, I don't think they should have removed it. It would have even enticed a certain range of audience (specifically from the UK and USA) to buy the game. It probably would have been refused classification in multiple sovereign states, Australia for sure.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 05:56 AM

WOW f*ck Dan Houser what the hell is wrong being a capitalist and why mormons of all people. Oh no the mormons won't let us. Bullsh*t.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

QUOTE (lzw3 @ Wednesday, Dec 5 2012, 05:40)
The big question on my mind is what would have become of Grand Theft Auto and Rockstar Games if they refused to remove the sexual content from the game.


The Blue Nose stores would refuse to sell the game to keep outraged consumers happy.
The U.S. Postal Service might have seized any attempts to ship it as pornography.

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Posted 05 December 2012 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (DarrinPA @ Wednesday, Dec 5 2012, 03:06)
Atleast they've confessed to being the originator of the programming. They originally blamed it on a 3rd party programmer - I believe it was PatrickW- I hope that whomever got blamed can feel a bit better that RockStar has finally stepped up and taken the blame now that the hype has died down, the lawsuit is over, and the settlement is no longer in effect. confused.gif

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Courageous but it really f*cked them up, and I think that's why we think they're so weird since SA was released. Hot Coffee gave them a big pat in the back. They originally blamed it on him, but then they admitted it was a colossal PR mistake and the company was boiling.

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 01:57 AM

QUOTE (elburrosleftnut @ Wednesday, Dec 5 2012, 00:56)
WOW f*ck Dan Houser what the hell is wrong being a capitalist and why mormons of all people. Oh no the mormons won't let us. Bullsh*t.

http://dictionary.re...com/browse/joke

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Posted 06 December 2012 - 05:33 AM

QUOTE (DarrinPA @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 22:06)
Atleast they've confessed to being the originator of the programming. They originally blamed it on a 3rd party programmer - I believe it was PatrickW- I hope that whomever got blamed can feel a bit better that RockStar has finally stepped up and taken the blame now that the hype has died down, the lawsuit is over, and the settlement is no longer in effect. confused.gif

Real courageous R*

This was when I lost a huge amount of respect for Rockstar.

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 01:43 AM

Thanks for realizing the sarcasm Zee.

SpiderVice, I'm not sure if you got it that I was also referencing a forum thread we had here a few months ago when somebody wrote a book about GTA and the Hot Coffee situation. R* was claming that it was never meant to be in the game, which now we know is a lie. Just like when R* - who is a HUGE company lead by MILLIONAIRS - were so scared that they blamed an innocent customer who found the code for the whole situation. That was childish. R* was still very vague about the origin of the situation until now, 8 years later.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:55 PM

Let me sum it up for you guy's/girls smile.gif

The "Hot coffee" hack was done by patrickW
The "hot coffee" files was in the original game script (patrickW just unlocked them) as a result R* had to re-rate the game from Mature 17+ to Adult 18+ and then remove and replace the V1 version of the game with V2

V2 of SA is simply rigged to crash if any modifications is made to the game, this can be compromised by using the "Downgrade Patch" but this doesn't turn V2 into V1 all it does is remove the scripts that blocks modifications to the game

Also patrickW is supporting R* but locking the "Hot coffee" mod

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Posted 09 December 2012 - 09:26 AM

QUOTE (lzw3 @ Wednesday, Dec 5 2012, 13:40)
The big question on my mind is what would have become of Grand Theft Auto and Rockstar Games if they refused to remove the sexual content from the game.

• The game could be rated M or Mature instead for all avid teenagers like us.
• A number of lawsuits would try to pursue this in the court.
• Many countries will refuse to buy this because of it's sexual content.




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