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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:28 AM Edited by GTA-King, 18 April 2013 - 04:29 PM.

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Michael's Ego™


ego (noun): the “I” or self of any person; a person as thinking, feeling, and willing, and distinguishing itself from the selves of others and from objects of its thought. egotism; conceit; self-importance. His ego becomes more unbearable each day.

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"Michael, to me, is... Who is he? I know who he is, I'm just trying to... He's the person who is trying to ignore some rather large mistakes that they have made. The person who's trying to forget about certain practical but still selfish decisions that they took. He's a man, also, obsessed by images and by appearances and who, when the world doesn't live up to those images and appearances, doesn't know what to do. He just retreats into his head. What he also is, when we started out... What he kind of evolved into as we began thinking about him and developing him... He was the first character we came up with. He began as the idea of, what happens to a regular GTA protagonist after they retire? Then you think, what would make him retire? He's a man with a big ego and plenty of good values and plenty of bad values.

"One of the advantages of the three-character system is you can have characters who, if they were the only protagonist, would be far too flawed for you to find appealing. With other equally flawed protagonists, but flawed in different ways, I think it gets more understandable. His flaws are certainly his large ego, an inability to control his temper, and his willingness to make large moral compromises. To me, that's a very interesting character. A guy who's in his mid-40s and on the cusp of middle age who doesn't know what to do, but made a bunch of money and does not know what to do with it. He's theoretically won, but the spoils of victory aren't necessarily what he imagined. For us that's a very interesting character, unlike what we've done in the past or what we've seen in much entertainment in general, let alone any video games. That was interesting."

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Dan Houser said Michael will have a big ego. Men with big egos typically act out on emotions. Dan Houser also said Michael will have a bad temper. Ego plus bad temper is not a good combo. Those two combinations usually are the recipe for tragedy... not to mention his willingness to make large moral compromises. Here are some examples of men like this:



Walter White (Breaking Bad): A man who was good all his life that suddenly embraces his bad. Walter is a guy who never made any of his own choices. He just never had a say with anything. It takes cancer to awaken his (alter) ego... Heisenberg. Now, he sees everything in a different light. But, will his new ego contribute to his downfall? Most likely, yes. The last season is coming up, so catch up before the downfall happens! icon14.gif



Tony Montana (Scarface): This is Tony's downfall in action. Did the drugs contribute to his downfall? Absolutely. But the main reason of the downfall was Tony's inflated ego. This is a man who was ruthless on his journey to the top. Once he got there, he slowly became bored and got high on his own supply. From then on, he purely acted on emotion. Very tragic.



Neil Mccauley (Heat): Neil was a very tragic character. He tried, and almost succeeded, to start a new life.This is a man who was calm, and calculated. He knew how cruel the world is. He seen hope in his new girlfriend. A way to start over. In the end, his ego got the better of him, and he had to avenge his former crew. This decision led to his downfall.



Henry Hill (Goodfellas): Henry ultimately did what he had to do to survive. His downfall was more mental than it was physical. He lived his life fast, and in the end, he was only loyal to himself. He ratted on his friends in order to survive... and I don't blame him. He literally had no other choice. But his tragedy is that he now has to live his life as an average nobody.

So in a sense, you could say Michael is like Walter... but his character development is mixed around. Or he's like Tony... but instead of Michael doing drugs because of boredom, he gets back into the game. Adrenaline is Michael's drug. Or he's like Neil... trying to change his life, but fails. Or lastly, like Henry. Giving up his former friends in order to survive.

So how do YOU guys think Michael's ego might cause a downfall?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:41 AM

It might, at least it's surely going to give him some trouble.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:50 AM

QUOTE (tenpennyisplainevil @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 07:41)
It might, at least it's surely going to give him some trouble.

Well, the fact that Dan Houser said he will have a big ego and a bad temper pretty much confirms it.

But exactly how will his (possibly inevitable) downfall be... monocle.gif

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 07:53 AM

QUOTE (GTA-King @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 08:50)
QUOTE (tenpennyisplainevil @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 07:41)
It might, at least it's surely going to give him some trouble.

Well, the fact that Dan Houser said he will have a big ego and a bad temper pretty much confirms it.

But exactly how will his (possibly inevitable) downfall be... monocle.gif

Right now he doesn't have any influince, but at the end of the game I presume they all will have a lot. What if his ego got the better of him and he would become the antagonist, completely changed by his ego?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:03 AM

Did you just try and trademark this thread? or did you try and trademark the word ego?

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:08 AM

people like that are the best! screw judgement! i respect people like that, because they don't give a f*ck what other say to them and they are plain cool!

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:09 AM

I've got a feeling that Michael's ego might end up getting one of his family member's killed. Would be a really fitting, yet tragic, end to Michael's story.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:11 AM

QUOTE (PlaystationGamer266 @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 08:03)
Did you just try and trademark this thread? or did you try and trademark the word ego?

Oh yea that's hilarious.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:14 AM

QUOTE (Niko Vercetti 112 @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 08:09)
I've got a feeling that Michael's ego might end up getting one of his family member's killed. Would be a really fitting, yet tragic, end to Michael's story.

a tragedy? i don't think so...more like good riddance...

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:18 AM Edited by GTA-King, 04 December 2012 - 08:20 AM.

QUOTE (PlaystationGamer266 @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 08:03)
Did you just try and trademark this thread? or did you try and trademark the word ego?

This thread, lol. I want it to be the official one to discuss this specific character trait. icon14.gif

@tenpennyisplainevil: I can totally see that kind of character development for Michael. After years of being out of the game, Michael's life has become boring. I can see how he would become full of himself after being away for so long. He's bound to alienate Trevor and Franklin at some point.

@ThisIsHorosho: I appreciate characters like this. They always have interesting story arcs.

@Niko Vercetti 112: Totally agree. Both his criminal life and domestic life colliding with one another. Recipe for tragedy.

EDIT: You know what... I've decided to trademark the word Ego as well, because I myself have been told a few times that I have a big ego. tounge.gif

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:22 AM

GTA-King i wasn't talking about story arcs...i was talking about people like that in general...you made it sound like its something bad, people should get rid of, like a bad habit! while i imply that it isn't true...its more like a gift...people with personalities like that in my opinion live better lives and don't give a f*ck about others and their opinions, which actually make them somewhat happy...

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:26 AM

QUOTE (ThisIsHorosho @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 08:22)
GTA-King i wasn't talking about story arcs...i was talking about people like that in general...you made it sound like its something bad, people should get rid of, like a bad habit! while i imply that it isn't true...its more like a gift...people with personalities like that in my opinion live better lives and don't give a f*ck about others and their opinions, which actually make them somewhat happy...

I am in no way bagging on people with big egos. I find them very interesting... which is why I said they have interesting story arcs. icon14.gif

A guy like Michael for instance, a big ego can be dangerous. I mean... does his family even KNOW he used to be a criminal? Something to think about. monocle.gif

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:36 AM

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What if his ego got the better of him and he would become the antagonist, completely changed by his ego?


Houser also said you'll get to play as the antagonist as well. Will his ego give him a big head - leaving, perhaps, another protagonist, or as strong character, on death row?...

That's what I'm thinking - to either end like Montana or... who know's, multiple endings remember.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 08:39 AM

QUOTE (GTA-King @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 08:26)
QUOTE (ThisIsHorosho @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 08:22)
GTA-King i wasn't talking about story arcs...i was talking about people like that in general...you made it sound like its something bad, people should get rid of, like a bad habit! while i imply that it isn't true...its more like a gift...people with personalities like that in my opinion live better lives and don't give a f*ck about others and their opinions, which actually make them somewhat happy...

I am in no way bagging on people with big egos. I find them very interesting... which is why I said they have interesting story arcs. icon14.gif

A guy like Michael for instance, a big ego can be dangerous. I mean... does his family even KNOW he used to be a criminal? Something to think about. monocle.gif

...i BET they know it! at least his wife knows it for sure!...and that is one of the reasons she seem to be living with him and since it is known for a fact, that his wife is whinny bit*c, who cares for nothing but his money, it'd make sense for her not caring about him being a criminal and something completely opposite living with the criminal is cool, because he's like having all the power and money...right?...off course right...

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

I bet they're going to make us like and favorite Michael's family in the middle of the game; like, he starts to understand them more, or at least show he cares a lot for them than they think. Then, while they're just getting their relationships back in check, Rockstar's going to have us control Trevor or Michael, and snipe one of the family members or something through that open window.


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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:09 AM

m. mann's the heat spoiler
in the end if maccauley didn't act with ego to kill waingro, he could be live long and happy life. because he act suddenly and reactive he didn't realize that was hanna's trap which his was last chance for catch the maccauley. he was the who leaked waingro's location to city. downfall is might be.

so i think it is possible. but did hauser tell same story? i dont think so.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

Can you give us a source where you got that quote from Dan Houser?

If this is Michael, he'll be the worst of the 3 characters. Man with overwhelming ego, acts out of emotion, almost surely a rat, and your typically fat American turd who may not be able to climb over a wall over his height. I can see why he's so popular as a lot of you should be able to relate to him.

For me though, he sounds nothing more than washed up with a lot of money who can't even control his family. Just look at how jaded he is. He must be really poor at managing even himself.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:36 AM

@Coat.: Agreed. There's just know way it can end well for Michael.

@ThisIsHorosho: It's possible his wife does know he used to be a criminal. Some girls like that. But let's say she didn't know. I mean, Michael did say he moved there BEFORE he started a family. Maybe once he got settled into witness protection, he met Amanda and started a family. Hell, it's possible Michael never even told her he's in witness protection, or how he earned his money. He could have told her he inherited it or something. Perhaps Amanda is a gold digger & only married him for his money. Just think of all the interesting story elements there can be if his family didn't know he used to be a criminal.

@Duxfever: I can totally see that happening. It's almost like a reverse story to Red Dead Redemption. In RDR, John is trying to redeem himself of his criminal past in order to protect his family. In V, Michael is EMBRACING his criminal past in order to PROVIDE for his family, and to enjoy that old rush.

@a. outlandish: Another good example on how egos typically lead to downfalls! icon14.gif

@rare.steak: I'm pretty sure Dan said that in the IGN interview, but I'm too lazy to go look for it right now. tounge.gif

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:44 AM Edited by Mefris, 04 December 2012 - 10:03 AM.

Why was I expecting this thread to be about Michaels penis?

Anyway,I love characters with big egos because they always have an interesting story stapled to them.Still,I hope we don't lose Michael to his ego because I have had just about enough of R* protags dying on me.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 09:59 AM Edited by GTA-King, 04 December 2012 - 10:02 AM.

QUOTE (Mefris @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 09:44)
Why was I expecting this thread to be about Michaels penis?

Anyway,I love characters with big egos because they always have an interesting story stapled to them.Still,I hope we don't lose Michael to his ego because I have just about enough of R* protags dying on me.

Dunno how you got penis out of ego... lol.gif

But yeah, totally agree. These types of characters are the most interesting. As for him dying, well... there IS 3 protagonists. So you never know. I'm sure his story will be interesting, if he dies or not. icon14.gif

btw... I updated the OP.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:07 AM

GTA-King my advice to you go watch Casino movie by Scorcesse! with Robert De Niro and Sharon Stone as main cast!...pretty much sums it up...well that is if you haven't already...his character "De Niro's" wasn't exactly a criminal, but he was tied with the mafia and its business and everyone knew it, including Sharon Stone's character, but still it didn't prevent her from marrying him and living with him...

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:14 AM

QUOTE (GTA-King @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 09:59)
QUOTE (Mefris @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 09:44)
Why was I expecting this thread to be about Michaels penis?

Anyway,I love characters with big egos because they always have an interesting story stapled to them.Still,I hope we don't lose Michael to his ego because I have just about enough of R* protags dying on me.

Dunno how you got penis out of ego... lol.gif

But yeah, totally agree. These types of characters are the most interesting. As for him dying, well... there IS 3 protagonists. So you never know. I'm sure his story will be interesting, if he dies or not. icon14.gif

btw... I updated the OP.

Oh shush!If R* kill Michael because "the story demands it" I will hold you personally responsible for giving them the idea. devil.gif
I mean,his story can include a downfall without him having to die (a Dr. House ending up in a insane asylum kinda thing).

In regards to the wiggly penis:You know this community just as much as I do (did't see you were the OP at first although I don't doubt you could pull a penis out of your bag if need be)+"big ego=small penis" thing.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:19 AM

QUOTE (ThisIsHorosho @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 10:07)
GTA-King my advice to you go watch Casino movie by Scorcesse! with Robert De Niro and Sharon Stone as main cast!...pretty much sums it up...well that is if you haven't already...his character "De Niro's" wasn't exactly a criminal, but he was tied with the mafia and its business and everyone knew it, including Sharon Stone's character, but still it didn't prevent her from marrying him and living with him...

That movie is one of my favorites actually. icon14.gif

His downfall was definitely putting too much trust in his wife... especially with his money. I can see a similar situation happening between Michael & Amanda.

@Mefris: An ending where Michael lives could work as well, and still be tragic. Maybe Michael will indirectly get his family killed, and he will have to live with it.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:28 AM Edited by Mefris, 04 December 2012 - 10:34 AM.

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@Mefris: An ending where Michael lives could work as well, and still be tragic. Maybe Michael will indirectly get his family killed, and he will have to live with it.

(Oh RDR...how I'd change your ending for something like this.)

Yes,I'd go with something like this,mainly because I want the story to be the characters tragedy,not "my own" (Damn you L.A Noir and RDR!)

Edit:I hope the "my own" remark made sense.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:34 AM Edited by GTA-King, 04 December 2012 - 10:39 AM.

I found the quote by Dan Houser about Michael. I will update the OP.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:39 AM

the goodfellas example is a good one - michael and henry are in the same boat, post trial.

We all know rockstar take inspiration from films, so it's not surprising you can draw parallels between him and the characters above.

I must admit i saw michael as being a cool professional. if he'll be emotive and reactive, that'd be interesting - i'd expect trevor to be like that. might also explain why the FIB got to him to begin with

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:48 AM

QUOTE (GTA-King @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 01:36)
I can totally see that happening. It's almost like a reverse story to Red Dead Redemption. In RDR, John is trying to redeem himself of his criminal past in order to protect his family. In V, Michael is EMBRACING his criminal past in order to PROVIDE for his family, and to enjoy that old rush.

That's an interesting thing to take note. It's almost like, what could have John done differently? Even though he knew he was destined to be finished in the beginning.

Also, I think you should edit the titles in the OP, because it includes unprecedented spoilers for other games, lol. tounge.gif

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 10:52 AM

QUOTE (Mokrie Dela @ Tuesday, Dec 4 2012, 10:39)
the goodfellas example is a good one - michael and henry are in the same boat, post trial.

We all know rockstar take inspiration from films, so it's not surprising you can draw parallels between him and the characters above.

I must admit i saw michael as being a cool professional. if he'll be emotive and reactive, that'd be interesting - i'd expect trevor to be like that. might also explain why the FIB got to him to begin with

They are really keeping Michael's story a secret... as to why he's in witness protection that is. Just look at how much of a lie the narration was in the first trailer.

@Duxfever: John was a good example of a leopard that couldn't change his spots, and in the end... karma won. With Michael, he knows he can't change... so he embraces that fact. icon14.gif

As for the spoilers, I really don't know what you mean, man. monocle.gif

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 11:08 AM Edited by a. outlandish, 04 December 2012 - 11:14 AM.

i remember soa as well i didn't watch last episode but jax is struggling a lot of sh*t in the same time. and he has to make big desicions always so until he lost his luck he just save the days. but always making desicion, and always being good at it constructs a very big ego which going to dawnfall eventually.

anyway, this will be very cliche but, "how many do you know retired gangster?".
but i want a happy ending just once for god sake.

ps: hauser promised no protagonist dies in the end. but didn't mention any other awful situations. i just remember the good the bad and the ugly.
that movie contains interesting finale.

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Posted 04 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

he doesnt have a EGO,he is a family man ,but his wife and children are forcing him to




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