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Poll: If in the mission "Pest Control" you could choose who to kill, who would you choose? (182 member(s) have cast votes)

If in the mission "Pest Control" you could choose who to kill, who would you choose?

  1. Ray Boccino (140 votes [82.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 82.84%

  2. Phil Bell (29 votes [17.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.16%

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#31

Posted 24 September 2013 - 04:17 PM

 

phil bell i found him quite uninteresting least ray had some charisma + his not the snake that his portrayed as being imo

Yeah I mean, except having fed someone to a Dump Tuck, his greed, torturing Jim Fitzgerald in his cellar, the fact that he insults both Phil and Niko in a passive agressive way and also that he brags having f*cked Ashley in front of Johnny K... The guy isn't all that bad, I guess.

 

that's only cause Johnny K Got to Clever my friend! he warns him! and he was always fair to niko i mean he helped him find bernie.

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#32

Posted 24 September 2013 - 10:41 PM

I like them both.

However, I saw alot of me in Phil, and Ray's ass-kissing to Jimmy annoyed me a bit. So, If I had to choose, I'd choose Ray.


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#33

Posted 26 September 2013 - 08:21 AM

ray was a slimy f*ck. 


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#34

Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:54 PM

Ray is a good guy cause he finds Florian cravic to niko and phil just gives niko hard missions and no reward aside from a little money but i dont need money cause three leaf clover is completed so DIE PHIL


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#35

Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:40 PM

Ray Boccino. Too easy a question.

 

Phil was a genuinely good guy, and I sympathized and sometimes even felt sorry for him through the story. Why did IV like to pit really scummy guys up against heartwarming old men down on their luck?


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#36

Posted 22 July 2014 - 03:22 PM

I guess that without Boccino's death, Johnny would have had some serious trouble.

 

So I'd say Ray, but that would be interesting to have the choice of killing either Ray or Phil. :)


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#37

Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:29 PM

sooo,after a million try to win "catch the wave" you guys still love phil?

WTF


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#38

Posted 24 July 2014 - 08:38 PM

Shieeeeeeeeeet, not sure.

 

 

As someone already said, Phil is a likeable character, and a good guy compared to Ray; but I like Ray. He has that stereotypical Italian-American mafia hothead behavior.

 

 

So my choice would have depended on what I would gained from killing them.

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#39

Posted 24 July 2014 - 09:34 PM

Kill Bell as Niko, since there's no real gripe between Niko and Boccino or Bell, Niko might as well continue his contract-killer philosophy and kill Bell for cash.

Johnny should have been the one to kill Ray. That would have been much more suitable. 


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Posted 25 July 2014 - 06:27 PM

I would obviously choose Boccino. I hated him, he was a stereotypical italian dude who played Mr badass and had an annoying personality, and he was all around stupid. Phil Bell (in my opinion) on the other hand was actually cool, I liked Phil he had an interesting personality with good missions, and he didn't think of himself as a badass, he was also classy. I would love to kill Ray Boccino again


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#41

Posted 26 July 2014 - 03:03 PM

I thought Phil Bell was far more nicer and cool, but I didn't really like his personality. He was more of a calm Mobster, unlike Ray Boccino. Ray was just fun and you wouldn't know what new operations he would be getting himself and Niko into it. I did have respect for Phil but I didn't like what he did in the ending. He pretty much just f*cked off without saying a word and left Niko in the sh*t. He was more like two-faced.

 

Phil had hard missions too and weren't that fun. Most of the missions f*cked up.

 

If I had the choice, I would of killed both of them.


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Posted 29 November 2015 - 09:06 PM

Well, the bad thing is, Phil was 90% irish and as Jimmy P. said he could not be promoted in the mafia hirarchy doe he wasn't italian/american. But I didn't like what he did at the(revenge) ending, calling niko and saying "I'm out, goodbye" is not really friendship anymore, it's more just used. I heard that in GTA 4 beta version you could have abbilitys with him to go out by calling him and Ray Boccino would give Niko backup by sending 2 Mafia guys to protect Niko, after Niko has done all missions for Ray.

Hard decision if you would have the chance who to kill, of course, I would love to see what happens if you choose Phil's dead, but I personally liked Ray more, yes he was more like a coach-oroach and abused his rank(caporegime), but he gave cooler and better missions(than phil), also, he helped niko to help him with darko gravic and Ray has always niko's back unlike Phil that much.
Note: It says that if the player would choose Phil's dead, Ray would appreciate it to Niko and would give him a gift/reward that if Niko is in troubles, Ray would send 2 mafias to protect Niko(like dwaynes gangsters).

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#43

Posted 29 November 2015 - 09:52 PM Edited by BlackSnow176, 29 November 2015 - 09:53 PM.

Boccino, although I kinda liked him before playing TLAD. He was actually funny in IV, but in TLAD I was glad that Niko killed him.

 

Phil Bell should've been explored more. He was one of the best characters of the game and got so little screen time...

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 09:55 PM Edited by Xing of Virtue, 02 December 2015 - 03:49 PM.

Philly needed to hear from his ex-wife, and he had a nice stereo. So farewell to Boccino.

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#45

Posted 29 November 2015 - 11:17 PM

Ray. There is nothing good about him. No good reason to kill Phil.


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#46

Posted 02 December 2015 - 03:46 PM Edited by Jeansowaty, 02 December 2015 - 03:46 PM.

One more thing - I really don't get the hate on Ray. I know he was a slimy and rude guy, but it was JOHNNY who betrayed him, not the other way around. This means he actually had reasons to kidnap'n'torture Jim.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 04:38 PM

One more thing - I really don't get the hate on Ray. I know he was a slimy and rude guy, but it was JOHNNY who betrayed him, not the other way around. This means he actually had reasons to kidnap'n'torture Jim.


He should've came at Johnny. Not Jim. Jim didn't do anything. Ray is still an ass for that.

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Posted 02 December 2015 - 05:05 PM

Well he needed Jim to lure Johnny into a trap.

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 12:09 AM

..but it was JOHNNY who betrayed him, not the other way around...

f*ck Ray, one of the highlights of Johnny K was f*cking with that scumbag.
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Posted 04 December 2015 - 12:45 AM

I'd always kill Raymond Boccino. How could I kill the guy with a similar name to me? ;)

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#51

Posted 04 December 2015 - 09:18 PM

I still would've killed Ray, for me he comes across those types of bosses who keeps blaming you for something unavoidable, specially the way how he talks to Niko after Museum Piece, but I like how Niko stepped up to him and gave zero f*cks.

But I understamd why R* decided to scratch that decision and made us kill Ray, because it wouldn't make sense to Jimmy P. As a mafia boss, to let such a big decision like that be taken by a hired gun. I mean, what if his hired gun chooses poorly? He would've lost a very important member of his gang for nothing, AND had to pay to kill the other guy just be sure.

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Posted 04 December 2015 - 10:39 PM Edited by B Dawg, 04 December 2015 - 10:40 PM.

 

..but it was JOHNNY who betrayed him, not the other way around...

f*ck Ray, one of the highlights of Johnny K was f*cking with that scumbag.

 

Seeing president cowboy JK betray Ray was pretty f*cking cool :p

Speaking of betrayal, Is Johnny the first protagonist to actually do something like that?

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:35 AM Edited by Scottyboi19, 05 December 2015 - 09:36 AM.

One more thing - I really don't get the hate on Ray. I know he was a slimy and rude guy, but it was JOHNNY who betrayed him, not the other way around. This means he actually had reasons to kidnap'n'torture Jim.

Yes you're right, BUT it was all Ashley's fault, if you see carefully ashley called johnny to come in ray's restaurant in little italy and because she had friendship with Ray and that was the reason why Johnny was involved to help Ray with the diamonds. Johnny and all the other Lost MC hated Ray and Johnny wanted to keep the money for him and his brothers. But Ray wanted his half money so johnny play rough and ray told him to not be clever, so Ray played the though guy to show that nobody can f*ck with him. Also, that was the reason why Jim go killed because of Ashley, if she would not call johnny to help Ray, then no one would die and Jim would be still alive. Sadly, it's all ashley's fault, although i like ashley, she was a badass girl, but yeah.. that was not cool from her :/
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#54

Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:42 AM

WHY WOULD YOU NOT KILL RAY

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:49 AM

WHY WOULD YOU NOT KILL RAY

Hmm, I sense some Double Speak there. :p


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Posted 07 December 2015 - 08:11 AM Edited by SmokesWithCigs, 07 December 2015 - 08:21 AM.

I just did this mission last night. There's no choice is there. Jimmy p csalls you and fellow you who to go for. Obviously the choice is ray. He is the only one who didn't get served papers and in the cutscenes he seemed to ambitious. I could just tell something wasn't right about him.

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Posted 09 December 2015 - 09:54 PM Edited by Chamberman20, 09 December 2015 - 09:56 PM.

Ray was a greedy twisted jerk. Even though neither one of them betrayed Pegrino, I would still kill him.


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#58

Posted 14 December 2015 - 05:28 PM

Ray Boccino, being as he was a complete 100% asshole person.

 

 

Wouldn't even be a question with me.


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Posted 14 December 2015 - 07:40 PM

Well, the way I see is most of the people here in this community hates Boccino, but the funny thing is he has most votes(over 100) and I do like him to 50% and hate him to 50%. Ray actually made an offer to Johnny and wanted to give him after the Diamond deal half of the money, but ofc Boccino and Johnny used each others for money, but Ray warned him also and Johnny went too far and tricked him, very stupid that he mess with the Mafia and we all know Mafia is a way stronger than the MC's. Ray wanted his cut, but johnny cheated him, in this case I dislike what johnny did and like Ray to 50%, he was also fear to Niko untill the mission "Weekend at Florian's", after that he was like dirty swine. 

 

After the mission "Weekend at Florian's" I disliked his attitude and his behaviour where he always wanted to improve himself as a important person to Niko and Phil and to show Jimmy P. that he is really loyal, talks sh*t about Phil and tried to take the place of Jimmy P. Nothing more to say that at the end he was a dirty swine and a complete asshole. So simply I hate him to 50%, but still would be pretty awesome to have the desicion to kill Phil or Ray.


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#60

Posted 15 December 2015 - 03:04 AM

Doesn't seem to make much sense to kill Phil if it was Niko's choice seeing as he never done anything wrong by him. Even if it was a choice I would still kill Ray.





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