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#1

Posted 31 August 2012 - 08:32 PM Edited by typicalgamer, 31 August 2012 - 08:35 PM.

I've got a little problem here.
I loaded a save file that I had created just after the mission N.O.E., then I spent all my cash gambling at the Four Dragons Casino and borrowed money from there. I continued playing SA(obviously without reloading) for ~10 minutes while staying in debt. However, the guards in the casino never turned hostile to me because of this, nor did I get any warning phone calls. This doesn't seem normal. My money was $-100, which is certainly the limit for my poor gambling skill, because once I owed the casino $100, I couldn't do any more gambling there.
This is how it's supposed to be: http://gta.wikia.com/Gambling. Read the Gambling Skill section.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 09:30 PM

the Four Dragons is part of CJ's Triad Business dealings.
Try doing that in one of the Mafia Casinos and see what happens.

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Posted 31 August 2012 - 10:20 PM

I haven't tried this before, what happens if hitmen kill CJ? Will they try to kill him until he will have enough money? Also are they hunting him over whole San Andreas?

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 03:41 AM Edited by OrionSR, 01 September 2012 - 03:52 AM.

QUOTE (Glenster's FAQ)
  If C.J. goes into debt--a negative, red number for his cash--he can continue
to bet with the credit his gambling skill created, then he can't bet anymore.

  Thanks to spaceeinstein for telling me that "C.J. will be hunted down if he is
$500 or more in debt."  "The guys that attack CJ carry" approximately "$10,000
each, so you could just kill them to pay off your debt.  The more deeply C.J. is
in debt, the tougher the attackers will be."

  If C.J. goes $500 or more in debt and goes outside, he gets a call from the
owner: "Just a  friendly reminder that you owe me money.  Don't be a stranger."
If C.J. doesn't come up with the money in a few minutes, the owner calls again:
"Carl Johnson.  Little bird told me you're in town.  You should have listened to
me and paid your debts" or such.  If he's in the neighborhood of the casino, the
gangsters of a dark gray Vincent sedan shoot at C.J. with Micro-SMGs and AK-47s.

  To pay it off, C.J. has to make enough money (doing the Vigilante mission with
the Hunter, etc.) to get back up to a green, positive number for his cash.

  The gimmick of getting C.J. out of debt by having him do a Unique Jump he
doesn't have credit for yet doesn't work for PC.
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/914983-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas/faqs/38041

This seems to be a bit incomplete. CJ must be in LV or the Mafia guys won't come after him. Also, CJ cannot have a (high? > 2 stars IIRC) wanted level. It's pretty difficult to get them to appear if LV is still restricted, but it is possible near that Jetmax dock with an armor.

The UFO Curse was added to the Chain Game saves to make it easy to trigger the Debt script. It shouldn't be hard to find the curse if you look through the available save documentation. When the curse is triggered CJ usually goes massively into debt and chain game players then have the challenge of paying off the debt or struggling to get enough food and being unable to use pay'n'sprays. To keep the game from bogging down completely it's best to avoid the curse until after Verdant Meadows and the LV properties have been purchased.

If CJ owes more than he can borrow (because of mods or trainers) then be sure to stay away from the Wheel O' Fortune game or CJ's wallet goes totally nuts (kind of fun to watch but please don't save that way for the Chain Game).

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:48 PM Edited by typicalgamer, 01 September 2012 - 01:52 PM.

QUOTE (lil weasel)
Try doing that in one of the Mafia Casinos and see what happens.

I've tried at Caligula's and it worked fine, but for this I had to increase my gambling skill a lot, then force the debt to reach $100,000.
QUOTE ( 0909090)
Will they try to kill him until he will have enough money? Also are they hunting him over whole San Andreas?

Yes and yes.
One more question: are there any other usable casinos apart from The Four Dragons and Caligula's?

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:51 PM

Yes, in the north central part of LV. I don't remember it's name at the moment.
Drive around and look for the Yellow Pointer.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 01:55 PM

QUOTE (lil weasel)
Drive around and look for the Yellow Pointer.

That's what I've been doing. I've checked Starfish, The High Roller, The Pink Swan, but no luck.

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Posted 01 September 2012 - 02:21 PM

Here it is ("Casino Floor") for gambling...
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 09:23 AM

I tried ....owed about most of my money more than $ 7000 or so but no one came to kill me ??
No phone calls or such..
Can someone tell me how to make them kill me ??

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:18 PM

You must be in Las Venturas+ without 2+wanted level. Higher than 2 stars will not work.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 02:49 PM

I came out of the casino when I had -90000 or so..& therefore I was in LV & I was without wanted stars still no one dared to kill me ??Is it because of my Criminal Rating ??(KoSa)I think that shouldn't be a cause..??

Anyways how much time they take to call or kill me ??

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

You should get one call as a warning, then next call casino owner will call you that he sent hitmen to kill you and later they should appear. But I don't know how much time does it take to get a call, sorry.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 10:42 PM

Is it normal to have punks chasing you? After hearing all this stories about "debt", "hitmen", "gangsters" I was a bit disappointing when a couple of punks with what appeared to be red mohawks and leather jackets with stickers on them arrived, making them look more like 2 cocks (the original meaning of this noble word) rather than mafia!

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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:49 AM

Still my problem is not solved no one is coming to kill me even if I owe them money.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 12:45 PM Edited by fnxrak, 08 December 2012 - 12:56 PM.

QUOTE (arijitsen @ Saturday, Nov 10 2012, 02:49)
Still my problem is not solved no one is coming to kill me even if I owe them money.

Do you have a earlier save game before you gambled the maybe maybe if you try it again it will give you that glitch. Once I had a similar problem with the Tags in Los Santos that since I got them all before the first mission when I did the tagging up turf mission it didn't give me the guns in CJ's house, then I did the mission again and it simply worked.

BTW I don't know if anyone else found this but you can also activate this if you're near the water in Hampton Barns, next to the area you can jump with the NRG500 to Las Venturas, they even attack you sometimes in that side thus making it possible to get earlier in the game, and since it has a Unique Color#2 it's a nice way to make it EP/FP with Gray Imports.

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 04:37 PM

QUOTE (arijitsen @ Saturday, Nov 10 2012, 02:49)
Still my problem is not solved no one is coming to kill me even if I owe them money.

If you have borrowed the maximum lending amount you will get a warning call first. Eventually he will be called again and told that people will be meeting him to discuss the debt. After this a gang of hitmen will arrive and attack the player, and random attacks like this will persist until you pay off the debt.

Still doesn't work try gambling again and see what happens alien.gif alien.gif

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 09:03 PM

QUOTE (arijitsen @ Friday, Nov 9 2012, 22:49)
Still my problem is not solved no one is coming to kill me even if I owe them money.

Use gtasnp and post your save file. Perhaps it can be looked at.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 06:25 AM

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Friday, Aug 31 2012, 21:30)
the Four Dragons is part of CJ's Triad Business dealings.
Try doing that in one of the Mafia Casinos and see what happens.

yeahhh didnt go so well for me

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Posted 15 December 2012 - 12:15 AM

QUOTE (arijitsen @ Tuesday, Nov 6 2012, 14:49)
I came out of the casino when I had -90000 or so..& therefore I was in LV & I was without wanted stars still no one dared to kill me ??Is it because of my Criminal Rating ??(KoSa)I think that shouldn't be a cause..??

Anyways how much time they take to call or kill me ??

You might have something here because for every +5000$ you win you get +1 criminal rating so maybe it's not actually the money value that triggers this feature but it might have something to do also with your criminal rating. Although you can't have a negative criminal rating triggering this might have something to do with both variables, but to be sure someone would have to look into the coding of the game to see this.




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