|QUOTE (Melchior @ Wednesday, Aug 29 2012, 17:48)|
So basically, you are saying that smoking has no psychoactive effects - that it doesn't release serotonin or relieve stress, it only causes the withdrawal symptoms to subside. That is your whole contention.
I am saying that cigarettes increase stress through withdrawal symptoms because the addiction is not being satisfied you are correct on what i said, then when you have a cigarette your body releases serotonin and dopamine but those releases only bring your stress levels back down to where they would be if you didn't have the addiction.
So it is psychoactive because it does change chemicals in the brain which alleviates stress, but that stress is caused by withdrawal symptoms.
My understanding of Psycho-Active is that it causes a chemical change in the brain, correct me if i'm wrong and provide me with a better definition accompanied by a source.
You want a source to say that cigarettes relax you? I thought it was common knowledge and that finding scientific literature that specifically states that fact would be a huge waste of time, but fine, here you go: "Nicotine extends duration of pleasant effects of dopamine"
Alright good, you finally found an article to support your "common knowledge" claim (which isn't quite so common according to my sources), it is from 2002 however and new research has come out since.
But ignoring how old it is i didn't see anything mentioning that it brings stress levels lower that if you did not smoke, it just mentions that it lowers stress levels, those heightened stress levels were caused by smoking.
|What's more, nicotine itself is not addictive, it's the other compounds in tobacco that are addictive - and as such, produce the withdrawal effects. Logic dictates that if you were to consume nicotine on it's own, you would get the serotonin and dopamine releasing effects (and thus stress relief) without the withdrawals even being present - how can you suggest that the only effects of nicotine come from something that isn't even found in nicotine itself? Furthermore, how in your mind is it even possible to become addicted to something that has no psychoactive effects? Why would your body crave nicotine if it wasn't being significantly relaxed by it?|
There is some debate on whether or not nicotine in itself is addictive, the other chemicals definitely do have a role to play in the addiction as well, but we are not talking about Nicotine on its own, we are talking in the context of cigarettes and smoking.
As for the Psychoactive effects i already stated what my understanding of that was
Right, but you can't head to a gym whenever you're stressed. People get stressed at work, at the pub, at friends' houses, while running errands etc. were you really suggesting that someone can replace cigarettes with exercise?
This is highly subjective and purely opinion but i would say that replacing cigarettes with exercise can help to a point, the exercise will help you feel more relaxed at all times and often these stressful situations may not be nearly as bad if you are less stressed in general.
So whilst you can't just go for a jog or lift some weights while you're at work, you may feel less stressed because of exercising regularly and when things do get stressful you might be able to keep on top of things because your stress hasn't reached its threshold because your stress is lower on average.
Edit: Meh i am slightly confused, and nobody seems to be providing their own sources (besides 1 article from 2002) or reading mine which state that having a cigarette makes you feel better but if you didn't smoke you would feel that level of relaxation all the time.
I am not returning here, besides which it is totally off-topic and it's a pointless debate since again like i mentioned i am a bit confused now as to what Mike and Melchoir's points are concerning psychoactive effects.
My sources say that cigarettes bring your stress down to a level at which they would be if you didn't smoke i don't see what psychoactive effects have to do with it since that seems to be the truth in my view until melchoir can find these sources that are apparently "a waste of time" yet i spent my time finding my own.
By the way, I am not trying to say there are no psychoactive effects.
Let hearsay be hearsay.
Edited by finn4life, 30 August 2012 - 04:04 AM.