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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:32 AM

Everybody expected this, now it's official. Francois Hollande is going to be the next President. Will be interesting to see what this means for the relationship between Germany and France.

The really shocking thing is what happened in Greece last night. A political desaster. It'll be difficult to build a new government after about 60 % of the people voted for far left/ right wing-parties. I wonder when our politicians realise that we're better off without Greece. They should just leave the Euro-Zone. The Euro will survive this.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 07:38 AM

QUOTE (Der_Don @ Monday, May 7 2012, 07:32)
The really shocking thing is what happened in Greece last night. A political desaster. It'll be difficult to build a new government after about 60 % of the people voted for far left/ right wing-parties. I wonder when our politicians realise that we're better off without Greece. They should just leave the Euro-Zone. The Euro will survive this.

Same sanity at last! Yes, we have to kick them out. They seem set upon dragging everyone down with them and have shown zero gratitude towards the Germans.
Their current predicament is not the fault of anyone save for the Greeks, who for years pacified their people through failing economic policies which rewarded sloth and gave menial workers unrealistic wages that could not be sustained.

The European Union is bigger than any one nation and, frankly, we've done all we can to help these ingrates.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 09:21 AM

QUOTE (Der_Don @ Monday, May 7 2012, 08:32)
Everybody expected this, now it's official. Francois Hollande is going to be the next President. Will be interesting to see what this means for the relationship between Germany and France.

It's a disaster, in my view. Sarkozy was hated principally on how he presented himself-as a vestige of the old guard- rather than for his political policies. In voting for Hollande, what France have essentially done is replace strong political leadership with an unpleasant face, with weak leadership and policies presented more favourably. It's a catastrophe for France; not just because of his lack of political leadership, but also because of his staunch anti-military views which is inevitably going to lead to changes in France's strategic value and knock-on negative effects for her European defence partners.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:31 AM

How is he any more anti military than Cameron, who gutted what vestiges of the once powerful British military remained?

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 10:43 AM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Monday, May 7 2012, 09:21)
QUOTE (Der_Don @ Monday, May 7 2012, 08:32)
Everybody expected this, now it's official. Francois Hollande is going to be the next President. Will be interesting to see what this means for the relationship between Germany and France.

It's a disaster, in my view. Sarkozy was hated principally on how he presented himself-as a vestige of the old guard- rather than for his political policies. In voting for Hollande, what France have essentially done is replace strong political leadership with an unpleasant face, with weak leadership and policies presented more favourably. It's a catastrophe for France; not just because of his lack of political leadership, but also because of his staunch anti-military views which is inevitably going to lead to changes in France's strategic value and knock-on negative effects for her European defence partners.

You're right, Hollande is already at odds with Germany. Therefore his election does not bode well for France's future in the Eurozone, it probably won't cause any dramatic changes but I maintain that this could allow England to move closer to Germany and gain a stronger footing in the EU.
So it could be bad for France but good for us.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (Irviding @ Monday, May 7 2012, 11:31)
How is he any more anti military than Cameron, who gutted what vestiges of the once powerful British military remained?

There has been mention of members of his party pushing for unilateral nuclear disarmament. 'Nuff said, really.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:11 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Monday, May 7 2012, 06:33)
QUOTE (Irviding @ Monday, May 7 2012, 11:31)
How is he any more anti military than Cameron, who gutted what vestiges of the once powerful British military remained?

There has been mention of members of his party pushing for unilateral nuclear disarmament. 'Nuff said, really.

But as I'm sure you know once leaders who espouse such reckless ideas get into government, they tend to realize that, well, that's stupid for lack of a better term. Examples are Tea Party congressmen.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:52 PM

I have a feeling that once M. Hollande steps into the Elysée Palace and sees the numbers he's having to work with, he won't be able to deliver on everything he says; much like any nation leader in this day and age, really. The curse of inheriting the crap left behind by the previous administration (and the one before that, and the one before that, etc. etc.) Also, in spite of his wishes to re-negotiate the Budget Discipline treaty, I doubt he'll go out of his way to utterly alienate Germany. Especially if he is, as some are saying "a bit of a weak leader".

In the words of the French, reste calme et poursuivre. Let's see how things go once the new administration gets in and starts putting forth new laws in the Assemblée Nationale.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 02:56 PM

Apparently this guy wants to significantly reduce France's nuclear power dependance and replace it with "green" energy.

Lmfao, good luck with that. sigh.gif

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Chunkyman @ Monday, May 7 2012, 15:56)
Apparently this guy wants to significantly reduce France's nuclear power dependance and replace it with "green" energy.

Lmfao, good luck with that. sigh.gif

Thankfully it's a presidential system and he won't be able to create policy on the issue single-handedly. Still, it's a dark day when France elects a president so strictly opposed to their two primary exports- nuclear technologies and weapons. Next he'll be banning cheese, wine and Renaults.

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 03:53 PM

QUOTE (Irviding @ Monday, Apr 23 2012, 22:59)
QUOTE (BRITLAND @ Monday, Apr 23 2012, 11:56)
By the looks of things Hollande will porb win the election & in 2014 with UKIP now being the 3rd biggest party in UK ahead of Liberal Democrats & if Nigel Farage wins the 2014 UK elections then its bye bye EU with UK & France leaving it their only superpower in it then would be Germany

That's blatantly incorrect. They don't even have one seat in Parliament for christ's sake.

i read it on some newspaper site its by popularity 1% ahead of L.D thats quite good for them

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 04:02 PM

QUOTE (BRITLAND @ Monday, May 7 2012, 16:53)
QUOTE (Irviding @ Monday, Apr 23 2012, 22:59)
QUOTE (BRITLAND @ Monday, Apr 23 2012, 11:56)
By the looks of things Hollande will porb win the election & in 2014 with UKIP now being the 3rd biggest party in UK ahead of Liberal Democrats & if Nigel Farage wins the 2014 UK elections then its bye bye EU with UK & France leaving it their only superpower in it then would be Germany

That's blatantly incorrect. They don't even have one seat in Parliament for christ's sake.

i read it on some newspaper site its by popularity 1% ahead of L.D thats quite good for them

The recent local elections does a great job of demonstrating the inaccuracy of this statement. Ukip have won not a single majority at a local level, not only did the lib dems still won a far larger proportion of the vote but even the greens beat them almost everywhere.




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