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#1021

Posted 26 June 2013 - 01:35 PM

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Wednesday, Jun 26 2013, 14:15)
The lack of DNA evidence instantly makes the accused innocent.

In a prosecution case, yes. Not in a defence. Not when a claim of self-defence as mitigation for shooting someone dead can only really be demonstrated with physical evidence yet does not have any to corroborate it. You really seem to be struggling to understand this case and the importance of the DNA evidence to Zimmerman's defence.

The absence of DNA evidence to corroborate his story doesn't make him automatically guilty, but to suggest that because the evidence that could support his defence isn't there, he must be innocent is utterly illogical and quite frankly really stupid.

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Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:21 PM Edited by El_Diablo, 26 June 2013 - 11:24 PM.

QUOTE (lil weasel @ Wednesday, Jun 26 2013, 06:14)
Zimmerman lost Martin, and was returning to his vehicle when he was confronted by Martin

actually you don't know if that's true.

that's the alleged testimony of Zimmerman.
and since he's the only witness who is ALIVE, all we get to hear is his side of the story.

it's not an established fact that Zimmerman was returning to his truck and was approached by Trayvon.
it's Zimmerman's claim.

the established facts (so far) are that Zimmerman was following Trayvon, called the police, was told by the police to stop following Trayvon, and yet continued to follow him anyhow.
on the recording with the police dispatcher Zimmerman can be heard saying "F*cking punks. Those assholes, they always get away" as he followed Trayvon.

the evidence points to Zimmerman looking for a fight.

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 12:25 AM

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Posted 27 June 2013 - 01:18 AM

That witness for the prosecution today didn't seem very bright.It was very painful to see her answer questions.Don't know if she should be trusted because she has changed her story multiple times. Anyway, im not paying much attention to this trial at all because in the end only 2 people truly know what happened and that is Martin and Zimmerman and only one of them is alive.

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Posted 29 June 2013 - 11:44 PM

it is sad to me to see her, but maybe this was all a plot orchestrated by the powers that be (trayvon as illuminati sacrifice). i thought it was too strange and obvious to have the jury selected all caucasian like that. they could have found plenty of conservative toms to vote whichever way they wanted - look at all the african americans supporting paula deen

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 01:07 AM Edited by EgyptianStar, 30 June 2013 - 01:17 AM.

If I was the prosecution I wouldn't have went for the 2nd degree murder charge. It's gonna be difficult to convince the jury that Zimmerman was always looking to kill Trayvon Martin based on circumstantial views that Zimmerman is racist who hates African Americans . A Manslaughter charge would have been a more effective case. Which would at-least see Zimmerman spend sometime behind bars. As of now the case is weak against Zimmerman.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:20 AM

QUOTE (EgyptianStar @ Sunday, Jun 30 2013, 02:07)
If I was the prosecution I wouldn't have went for the 2nd degree murder charge. It's gonna be difficult to convince the jury that Zimmerman was always looking to kill Trayvon Martin based on circumstantial views that Zimmerman is racist who hates African Americans . A Manslaughter charge would have been a more effective case. Which would at-least see Zimmerman spend sometime behind bars. As of now the case is weak against Zimmerman.

I don't normally see eye to eye with you, but on this you are completely spot on.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 06:37 PM

You know they use to try murder cases without DNA evidence...

I think the only reason that DNA is significant is that you would think that in such an attack that was vicious enough to merit a person fearing the loss of their life or significant injury, that you would find some kind of DNA... But that whole idea is fraught with follow and speculation, because what if the police didn't do a great job collecting such evidence?

I think there's still the complication over what the state law is supposed to intend and mean... The idea that a person does not have a duty to retreat. So does that justify the use of deadly force to avoid an ass-whooping, or does that just justify the use of force in general? With such a vauge law, I can see wanting to avoid trying to charge for manslaughter or 2nd degree murder because that suggests the idea that Zimmerman should have used restraint. That might be the case yeah, but is he actually required to be state law? If instead you look at the idea of "Well, he was a vigilante, he tracked him down and started this confrontation, and he shot him because he didn't want him to get away," then that's premeditation and the notion of having a duty to retreat gets thrown out of the window anyway because then it removes it from this whole self-defense aspects it's caught up in.

What irritates me about this case in particular is I believe it's caught up more in issues of self-defense and gun control politics than those of race or something. Of course people like lil weasel and the rest of the extreme/radical right are going to suggest, "Oh, they're painting him to be a devli for shooting that kid they're painting as an angel," but that's because they want to be able to shoot first and ask questions later. I mean, I'm sure that the argument could be made that they're trying to systematically remove our rights to defend ourselves in some twisted way...

But I mean when you cut through all the sh*t.... The asshole was playing cowboy, action-cop superhero. Bit off more than he could chew, and felt like he was within his rights to blast a hole through the kid rather than sustain an ass kicking. Up to a jury to decide if that was right now, but to me I feel like people are trying to make this case out to be something special because of the race issues and there's not anything here that's special. I mean, this isn't even a unique case in the least bit, and most "self-defense" shootings that occur in this way, usually get tried as 2nd degree murder. That's what the controversy was originally about, was this supposedly change in Florida law, but now it's morphed into this stupid race debate. Each side claimed they were being vilified by the other until it was actually true.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 06:54 PM

QUOTE (Djdevin10 @ Friday, Mar 23 2012, 23:42)
If that kid was white, and the shooter was black, in the same circumstances, the shooter would be in jail, ASAP.

It f*cking makes me sick that in modern times, people are STILL racists. I mean just because a persons a different color, on't make them any less of a person.

Huh, maybe they'll get him because people are mad about it.

Same here. It's just f*cking sad... Someone isn't the same race as you, so he is suspicious by default? That's some f*cking logic.

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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:53 PM

QUOTE (Grand Theft Savage @ Sunday, Jun 30 2013, 12:54)
QUOTE (Djdevin10 @ Friday, Mar 23 2012, 23:42)
If that kid was white, and the shooter was black, in the same circumstances, the shooter would be in jail, ASAP.

It f*cking makes me sick that in modern times, people are STILL racists. I mean just because a persons a different color, on't make them any less of a person.

Huh, maybe they'll get him because people are mad about it.

Same here. It's just f*cking sad... Someone isn't the same race as you, so he is suspicious by default? That's some f*cking logic.

I don't think in this case you can claim a double-standard or racism. From the beginning the case against Zimmerman was weak. Evidence shows Zimmerman was attacked, combined with the "Stand your ground" law it was no surprise Zimmerman wasn't arrested right after. As of right now the Prosecution basically threw away the case by going for the 2nd degree murder charge.

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Posted 01 July 2013 - 10:02 PM

Prosecution case basically sank today after the detectives testimony.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:31 PM

Jury Deliberating. My Prediction: Acquittal or Manslaughter charge. Second degree murder charge almost impossible with the weak evidence the prosecution presented.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 07:46 PM

QUOTE ( King Andreas @ Posted: Thursday, Jul 11 2013, 2047)
Op's disregarding specific questions reminds me vividly of Zimmerman refusing to defend himself.
That comment shows bias.
I remind King Andreas that it is always advised by Counsel to Not testify, and especially so when the Prosocution hasnít proved their case beyond a reasonable doubt.
It is the duty of the Prosocution to give evidence, not the Defendant.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:50 PM

I wonder if Florida will riot when Zimmerman inevitably gets acquitted.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 08:57 PM

QUOTE (jackass2009 @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 15:50)
I wonder if Florida will riot when Zimmerman inevitably gets acquitted.

Well... it is Florida.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:01 PM

QUOTE (jackass2009 @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 21:50)
I wonder if Florida will riot when Zimmerman inevitably gets acquitted.

This had occurred to me. I suspect to others as well. I will be surprised if nothing happens.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:01 PM Edited by lil weasel, 12 July 2013 - 09:06 PM.

One source: <bad link> appears to think so.
An acquittal will certainly give a group of people with the "Watts" mentality a chance to relive the 'good ole days' of LA.
With so many people believing that a mere Arrest is proof of the persons guilt... it is so Sad...
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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:19 PM

The Law will deliver a Just decision. Anyone who riots and causes issues, does not respect the rule of law.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:41 PM

QUOTE (EgyptianStar @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 18:19)
The Law will deliver a Just decision. Anyone who riots and causes issues, does not respect the rule of law.

Should people have respected the rule of law in the Rodney King case? How about Troy Davis? Just because someone gets off, or someone is executed doesn't mean it's right.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:43 PM

Just heard about this recently.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:00 PM

I can see him getting life since he already admitted to the murder, but then again he lied about multiple things, but he is guilty that's for damn sure.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:10 PM

DWho would attack someone and then scream out help? notify.gif

My friend bought up that point to me today.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:31 PM

QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 15:41)
QUOTE (EgyptianStar @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 18:19)
The Law will deliver a Just decision. Anyone who riots and causes issues, does not respect the rule of law.

Should people have respected the rule of law in the Rodney King case? How about Troy Davis? Just because someone gets off, or someone is executed doesn't mean it's right.

I know it doesn't mean its right, but if a verdict doesn't appease a group, it doesn't mean its a green light to wreak havoc upon an innocent population. With the Rodney King Riots was it justice beating up people who had nothing to do with trial. Was it Justice burning & looting Stores. People must that these things are complicated and are not always "Black & White" decisions.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:39 PM

Too many people want excuses.
My Futbol team loses, we riot.
My Futbol team wins, we riot.
A court finds someone innocent, we riot.
A Jury finds someone guilty, we riot.
A President kills a few people, the people riot.

So What's New... ? This is the modern world.

People who think they have nothing, have nothing to lose, JOIN the PARTY (riot). icon14.gif
Used to be an arrest was shameful , now it's a Badge to wear on one's sleeve.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 10:42 PM

QUOTE (EgyptianStar @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 19:31)
QUOTE (aceofhicks @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 15:41)
QUOTE (EgyptianStar @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 18:19)
The Law will deliver a Just decision. Anyone who riots and causes issues, does not respect the rule of law.

Should people have respected the rule of law in the Rodney King case? How about Troy Davis? Just because someone gets off, or someone is executed doesn't mean it's right.

I know it doesn't mean its right, but if a verdict doesn't appease a group, it doesn't mean its a green light to wreak havoc upon an innocent population. With the Rodney King Riots was it justice beating up people who had nothing to do with trial. Was it Justice burning & looting Stores. People must that these things are complicated and are not always "Black & White" decisions.

I have to agree with you on the last part. There's a lot grey in the world.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:06 PM

No one is going to riot, they're just going to mumble very loudly like after the OJ verdict, Americans don't go out in the streets and do stuff and even if we do we lose wind very quickly. We're too busy eating, ok?

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:07 PM

Why was this "murder" so special that it got all this attention? Just another kid that doesn't deserve anymore attention than other murder victim tbh.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Erebos @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 23:07)
Why was this "murder" so special that it got all this attention? Just another kid that doesn't deserve anymore attention than other murder victim tbh.

If I remember correctly it didn't get much attention for a good while after it happened, at least a couple months. Meanwhile no one gives two flying f*cks about the dozens of kids getting shot in the face in Chicago, just statistics.

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:20 PM

QUOTE (Erebos @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 18:07)
Why was this "murder" so special that it got all this attention? Just another kid that doesn't deserve anymore attention than other murder victim tbh.

Exactly!!

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 11:40 PM

QUOTE (natethegreatforlife @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 18:20)
QUOTE (Erebos @ Friday, Jul 12 2013, 18:07)
Why was this "murder" so special that it got all this attention? Just another kid that doesn't deserve anymore attention than other murder victim tbh.

Exactly!!

Because the people who are professionally outraged for a living caught wind of it and decided to make it a story about racism and profiling of minority youth (even though the evidence for this is shaky at best). The kid's death is being exploited to further some social agenda. The news networks decided it was controversial enough to run with and now here we are. Welcome to how the media works.




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