Alright. Let's try to keep this on topic this time. This about Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman. If anyone comes back in calling racism over nothing you're most likely going to just the topic locked again, so don't. You don't know the people posting on here so don't bother calling them racist, just discuss the case.
I suppose some of you already know that Zimmerman has now been charged with 2nd Degree Murder, and some more evidence has surfaced.
So let's take a look at what we know now.
Zimmerman phone call to police transcript
| Dispatcher: Sanford Police Department. ...|
Zimmerman: Hey we've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy, uh, [near] Retreat View Circle, um, the best address I can give you is 111 Retreat View Circle. This guy looks like he's up to no good, or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy is he white, black, or Hispanic?
Zimmerman: He looks black.
Dispatcher: Did you see what he was wearing?
Zimmerman: Yeah. A dark hoodie, like a grey hoodie, and either jeans or sweatpants and white tennis shoes. He's [unintelligible], he was just staring...
Dispatcher: OK, he's just walking around the area...
Zimmerman: ...looking at all the houses.
Zimmerman: Now he's just staring at me.
Dispatcher: OK—you said it's 1111 Retreat View? Or 111?
Zimmerman: That's the clubhouse...
Dispatcher: That's the clubhouse, do you know what the—he's near the clubhouse right now?
Zimmerman: Yeah, now he's coming towards me.
Zimmerman: He's got his hand in his waistband. And he's a black male.
Dispatcher: How old would you say he looks?
Zimmerman: He's got button on his shirt, late teens.
Dispatcher: Late teens ok.
Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does anything else.
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the clubhouse.
Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. sh*t he's running.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Ambient sounds are heard which may be Zimmerman unbuckling his seat belt and his vehicle's "open door" chime sounding. The change in his voice and the sound of wind against his cell phone mic indicate that he has left his vehicle and is now walking. The dispatcher seems to pick up on these changes and sounds concerned when he later asks Zimmerman if he is following Martin.
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance...f*cking [disputed/unintelligible]
This section of the recording has been the subject of much speculation. Some suggest that Zimmerman has just made a racial slur, but the audio is not clear.
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George...He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
A clicking or knocking sound can be heard here
Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?
Clicking or knocking sound is heard again
Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
For the remainder of the recording, Zimmerman sounds distracted. The knocking sound occurs several times during the final exchange with the dispatcher
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they go past the mailboxes, that's my truck...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman: I don't know, it's a cut through so I don't know the address.
Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What's your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It's a home it's 1950, oh crap I don't want to give it all out, I don't know where this kid is.
Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes then?
Zimmerman: Yeah that's fine.
Dispatcher: Alright George, I'll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that's no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [redacted]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I'll let them know to call you when you're in the area.
Dispatcher: You're welcome.
With this posted here, I don't want to hear anymore about hoodies. His actions combined with the break ins are what made Martin look suspicious, so there's no reason to bring that argument back up.
After listening to the phone call, it is apparent that Zimmerman only followed Martin for 25-30 seconds after the dispatcher informed him that they didn't need him to. After which he gave the dispatcher his info and was apparently on his way back to his car to meet the officers that were already on the way.
We also know that Martin was on the phone with his girlfriend right up until the shooting.
| She says she heard Martin say "What are you following me for?" followed by a man's voice responding "What are you doing here?" She said that she heard the sound of pushing and that Martin's headset suddenly went silent, leading her to believe that he had been pushed. She attempted to call him back immediately, but was unable to reach him. |
Analyzing this, it is apparent that it was Martin that started the verbal confrontation, and there were no words exchanged between the two before this.
While not with 100% certainty, this would also tend to point towards Martin as the one that started the physical confrontation.
I'm sure many of you have seen the video of Zimmerman at the police station. Fox noted that there was no abrasions on his head or blood on his shirt in the (very low quality) video, but later apologized and pointed what did appear to be an abrasion on the back of his head. I'll also remind you all that Zimmerman was treated by paramedics on scene before he was brought in for questioning, and that not much blood will find it's way to your shirt when you're pinned on the ground.
Let's also bring up some of the witness accounts.
| On March 29, 2012, an eyewitness referred to as a male said that he saw two men on the ground scuffling, then heard the shooting, and saw Zimmerman walk away with no blood on him. The witness later appeared on CNN AC360 referred to as a female, giving more details on her account. She pointed out that she heard an argument between a younger and an older voice. The whole time she witnessed the incident the scuffling happened on the grass. She said that the larger man, who walked away after the gunshot, was on top, and that it was too dark to see blood on his face. |
Reasons why I'm calling bullsh*t on this account:
1. Witness never mentioned hearing the screams
2. It is known that Zimmerman didn't walk away from the scene. He was sitting on the ground next to Martin when police arrived just a few minutes later.
3. Listening to Zimmerman's phone call, his voice could easily be confused with that of someone in their late teens, so the "older voice and younger voice" claim doesn't make any sense.
4. IF Zimmerman was on top, how did he end up with a broken nose, and how on Earth could he possibly obtain the abrasions on the back of his head that paramedics treated shortly after?
And another witness account from someone that lives in the area and is actually KNOWN to have been there at the time:
| An eyewitness to the confrontation just prior to the shooting stated that Martin was on top of Zimmerman and punching him, while Zimmerman was yelling for help. This witness, who identified himself as "John", stated to Fox News Orlando that "the guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, 'Help! Help!' and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911. He went on to say that when he got upstairs and looked down, Martin was lying in the grass, and the witness believed Martin to be dead. |
This account tends to line up exactly with Zimmerman's story, and all of the evidence. Much more believable if you ask me, but that really comes down to opinion.
One very common misconception is that Zimmerman was a self appointed neighborhood watchman. This is not true. He was appointed by the Home Owners Association as neighborhood watch captain, and in an HOA newsletter, it was recommended that residents call Zimmerman after calling the police.
I'll edit this later as I put some more evidence together, and make sure I'm getting facts from legitimate sources. In the mean time, stay on topic. No name calling, no personal attacks.