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Posted 14 May 2012 - 03:35 PM

Today a torrent convinced me to buy a game, and it's not the first time. The only thing I can make of this is that piracy is a necessary bad, almost. Some people may not do the same thing as I did, but I believe I'm not the only one either, so, in the end, piracy can be considered as free advertising.

While anti-piracy people are at it, why not ban "let's play" videos on youtube and other sites? You can almost get as much fun from it as playing the game, depending on the commentator. It also advertises a game for free.

The two are identical. I've changed my opinion about all this over the years, and until I change my mind for whatever reason, I believe piracy should be allowed, but as it is now.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:47 PM

QUOTE (Toup @ Monday, May 14 2012, 16:35)
Today a torrent convinced me to buy a game, and it's not the first time. The only thing I can make of this is that piracy is a necessary bad, almost. Some people may not do the same thing as I did, but I believe I'm not the only one either, so, in the end, piracy can be considered as free advertising.

While anti-piracy people are at it, why not ban "let's play" videos on youtube and other sites? You can almost get as much fun from it as playing the game, depending on the commentator. It also advertises a game for free.

The two are identical. I've changed my opinion about all this over the years, and until I change my mind for whatever reason, I believe piracy should be allowed, but as it is now.

I'm not sure I follow this. Are you trying to make the argument that all piracy is basically advertising, which to me is a huge leap from saying that some leads to a small number of people making purchases based on their piracy? And can you please explain how the "lets play" videos are equivalent to the theft or misuse of intellectual property because I really can't see any similarity between them as examples.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 04:57 PM

Piracy for me is not about price but about lack of service. This is not really including games (I usually pirate those to give them a test run, if I like I buy if I don't I uninstall. PC ports are far to lazy these days to give some developers an ounce of trust) but for movies if I can't find it on demand somewhere on the web for rental/on a pre-paid service then I download. You can't expect everyone to pay 10 for every film. Unless its a classic most people just want to watch it once so the 10 is unjustifiable. I don't think I have bought a dvd/blu-ray in years and this is not to do with pirating but because of services such as lovefilm, netflix and iTunes.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (sivispacem @ Monday, May 14 2012, 17:47)
QUOTE (Toup @ Monday, May 14 2012, 16:35)
Today a torrent convinced me to buy a game, and it's not the first time. The only thing I can make of this is that piracy is a necessary bad, almost. Some people may not do the same thing as I did, but I believe I'm not the only one either, so, in the end, piracy can be considered as free advertising.

While anti-piracy people are at it, why not ban "let's play" videos on youtube and other sites? You can almost get as much fun from it as playing the game, depending on the commentator. It also advertises a game for free.

The two are identical. I've changed my opinion about all this over the years, and until I change my mind for whatever reason, I believe piracy should be allowed, but as it is now.

I'm not sure I follow this. Are you trying to make the argument that all piracy is basically advertising, which to me is a huge leap from saying that some leads to a small number of people making purchases based on their piracy? And can you please explain how the "lets play" videos are equivalent to the theft or misuse of intellectual property because I really can't see any similarity between them as examples.

Yes. All piracy is advertisement. Some may exploit this way of advertising, but it still is.

And well, the thing is, you look at piracy as theft. I don't, my comparison of let's plays and pirated games comes from there.

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 06:15 PM

QUOTE (Toup @ Monday, May 14 2012, 18:21)
And well, the thing is, you look at piracy as theft. I don't, my comparison of let's plays and pirated games comes from there.

I don't look at the downloading of pirated material as theft. I look at it as handling stolen goods, or perhaps conspiracy. The original pirating of the material is the act of theft. In my eyes- and legally, for that matter- it's absolutely no different from breaking into a company's data server and stealing proprietary information. It's exactly the same- illegally obtaining (outside of the terms and conditions) and illicit distribution of intellectual property. You can try and justify it as "advertising" but by association the same rule must be applied to propriety information which isn't of general interest- like, for instance, personal details. And I'm pretty certain if it was pirates stealing your banking or residence details, you'd be be the first one to express your indignation.

IP and cyber security laws exist for a reason- you can't apply one law in one set of circumstances and then fail to apply it in another. It makes a mockery of the legal system. And whilst I'm certainly not persuaded by the arguments from either side surrounding how harmful (or otherwise) piracy actually is, I understand that you must have one general and all-encompassing law that governs the use of intellectual property and proprietary information, and outlawing film, music and TV piracy is a small price to pay if the same legislation can be used to counter industrial espionage.

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:57 PM

Just out of interest I decided to try and access the pirate bay and it doesn't seem to work now so I assume BT have blocked it. This blocking is useless though because I just used a proxy and got onto the site just as normal! I don't like downloading pirated things because my download speed is awful to say the least and I feel bad for getting it free.

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 12:18 AM

Nah, its servers are down at the moment.

http://www.isitdownr...ratebay.se.html

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Posted 17 May 2012 - 07:42 AM

Well...

What Id like to see is the return of free trials and demos. Im not going to buy a piece of software if Im uncertain whether it will run on my PC and whether Id actually benefit/enjoy using it.


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Posted 17 May 2012 - 05:15 PM

QUOTE (3niX @ Thursday, May 17 2012, 08:42)
Well...

What Id like to see is the return of free trials and demos. Im not going to buy a piece of software if Im uncertain whether it will run on my PC and whether Id actually benefit/enjoy using it.

This is something I'm an avid supporter of. I've recently been doing some work which has included consulting on the purchase of specialist qualitative data management software, and the suppliers have been really forthcoming in providing us sample copies of the software to pressure-test in real-life scenarios. I find that most software suppliers worth their weight will, come hell or high water, go out of their way to let you try their product if you ask nicely and have a legitimate reason. Of course, unless freeloaders can demonstrate an intricate knowledge of the product, it excludes people from being able to get something for nothing, but I will say that I've been very impressed with the way most companies- even big ones- handle this kind of request. In the case in question, they didn't even attach any timescale or usage restrictions on our temporary license, save for an arbitrary "three months" reasonable trial period.

It's been a big influencing factor in the company I was working with splashing out almost nine grand on 20 licenses.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 03:35 PM

Demos and trials are good because many don't want to spend money blindly. That can be games, music, software and the very specialist stuff which costs thousands just for the licence. Training isn't cheap either. They're teaching my dad to use Catia at work which is 3d modelling software and bloody hell it is complicated. While on a "day at work with parents" thing with my school, I loaded up a full model of a landing gear from some Airbus. Took like a minute to load up! Back from rambling trials should be encouraged but it's not always possible.




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