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El Zilcho
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#301

Posted 27 January 2013 - 06:07 PM Edited by El Zilcho, 27 January 2013 - 06:13 PM.

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K9K9 Catastrophe: Tulija attempted to keep their role in the disaster to a minimum. As an act of propaganda and to show the region their hands-on approach to leading the region, Tulija donated a small amount of money to the Shaffeyan government.

In keeping with a balanced and non-interventionist approach (which the previous administration of Progressives believed was essential in not infringing on other nations ways of life / rule / culture - our region is too diverse to force a particular perspective on our heterogeneous populace), Tulija made sure to build up an internationally approved Cabinet consensus before blockading Shaffey, ensuring no one was overly harsh and that the matter was dealt with effectively, before, during and after.

To politicize the humanitarian donation, which saved many lives, in a bid to improve your position is thoroughly reprehensible.

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• Otter-Amsterdon Conflict: Tulija attempted to keep the region-wide debate heated on the wrongdoings of Amsterdon and away from Tulija's own mistakes (negligence), which lead up to this easily preventable war.


Amsterdon's regime was exceptionally brutal - and the course The Archipelago were steering resulted in inevitable conflict between the too, who had been trading diplomatic blows for a long time. To see you criticise our encouragement of debate is again laughable - we should ignore atrocities presumably? And once more, I'll ask, what negligence? You still have not explained how you'd have better dealt with inactivity than we did; it is a matter beyond the office of Delegate. You have no answer because you know there is none; we can only act and hope that others follow with their activity.

It is also rather laughable you would critique Tulija for supposedly encouraging debate (in your book the same as firing rockets apparently - which is funny as we remained neutral and kept the region out of falling into a larger war), while you yourself entered the war for the very sake of assaulting Amsterdon. "Easily preventable"? So why did you fly in?

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• The inactivity issue: Almost 2/3rd of all nations in our region have ceased to exist due to Tulija's unwillingness to bring regional issues to the leaders of the region, and keeping the region active by leading the region is a way a delegate should: by involving all of the region's members, not just keeping his power to himself.


Again, "something wrong happened? Must be Tulija"... or perhaps "Tulija can only do wrong". Nowhere does it state the office of Delegate is one of a supranational nanny state. When there was activity, Tulija posed to the region questions on WA resolutions. Now that activty has decreased (naturally, it would never remain exceptionally strong over a year and a half on), each and every vote is taken by looking not only at the resolution with sound judgement, but also by checking how many of GTAF's active voters have chosen to vote - in line with policy, the Delegate votes in favour of the majority in most cases - this can been seen on the resolution with "1-2 GTAF members voted in favour".

We see and respectfully note Shaffey's departure from self aggrandizement to a less absurd perspective, but the position is still untenable. Your primary concerns are activity - which is something we can only hope to change by working together and trying new things. Every single idea or action (government involves the latter as well as the former) conducted by Tulija is anathema to Shaffey - this is dogmatic and idiotic, and never constructive. It is no wonder you have little support.

Questions, debate, criticism, they are all welcome. If they weren't, and if we were the despots Shaffey paints us to be, Shaffey would have been expelled from GTAF long ago. You are safe in the knowledge this won't happen - but you should also be safe in the knowledge that if you continue blinding blaming everything from famine, natural disasters, religious violence, drug violence and the Fall of the Roman Empire on Tulija, then prepare to be called out by fellow members as a fool.

You needn't be derided, if you would just stop acting like you have a hunger for it.

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#302

Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

The Federal Republic of Okurka requests not-so-humbly that this bickering end! The Okurkan Parliament held a poll that favored Tulija for Delegate with 86% of the vote, with 10% going to other nominees and 4% going to Shaffey, and even that 4% was a coalition of politicians who suggested that Shaffey as the Regional Delegate be conditional upon the power of the Delegate seat being reigned in and controlled by a regional democratic process.

Shaffey, there is much to do to prove you are worth being considered as an ally of the region, let alone being considered as the Regional Delegate! The scandals, injustices, and plain poor choices that come from your country are almost the work of comedy in their sheer madness.

So again, the FRO requests that Shaffey end its campaign for the delegate seat and instead focus on how to fix its regional image.

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#303

Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:58 PM

QUOTE (OdDsOcK @ Tuesday, Jan 29 2013, 17:40)
The Federal Republic of Okurka requests not-so-humbly that this bickering end! The Okurkan Parliament held a poll that favored Tulija for Delegate with 86% of the vote, with 10% going to other nominees and 4% going to Shaffey, and even that 4% was a coalition of politicians who suggested that Shaffey as the Regional Delegate be conditional upon the power of the Delegate seat being reigned in and controlled by a regional democratic process.

Shaffey, there is much to do to prove you are worth being considered as an ally of the region, let alone being considered as the Regional Delegate! The scandals, injustices, and plain poor choices that come from your country are almost the work of comedy in their sheer madness.

So again, the FRO requests that Shaffey end its campaign for the delegate seat and instead focus on how to fix its regional image.

OOC: I'm not even in the WA, so it's not really a campaign for me to become delegate, it's just a campaign to end Tulija's delegacy.

Oh, and we all remember how "democratic" Tulija's rise to power was. (unless you don't, because I just remembered that it was a coincidence.)

El Zilcho
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#304

Posted 10 February 2013 - 07:52 PM

QUOTE (Greenline @ Tuesday, Jan 29 2013, 23:58)
QUOTE (OdDsOcK @ Tuesday, Jan 29 2013, 17:40)
The Federal Republic of Okurka requests not-so-humbly that this bickering end! The Okurkan Parliament held a poll that favored Tulija for Delegate with 86% of the vote, with 10% going to other nominees and 4% going to Shaffey, and even that 4% was a coalition of politicians who suggested that Shaffey as the Regional Delegate be conditional upon the power of the Delegate seat being reigned in and controlled by a regional democratic process.

Shaffey, there is much to do to prove you are worth being considered as an ally of the region, let alone being considered as the Regional Delegate! The scandals, injustices, and plain poor choices that come from your country are almost the work of comedy in their sheer madness.

So again, the FRO requests that Shaffey end its campaign for the delegate seat and instead focus on how to fix its regional image.

OOC: I'm not even in the WA, so it's not really a campaign for me to become delegate, it's just a campaign to end Tulija's delegacy.

Oh, and we all remember how "democratic" Tulija's rise to power was. (unless you don't, because I just remembered that it was a coincidence.)

Far from it; had it been a coincidence, we wouldn't have continued in that role uninterrupted for so long. We showed how to lead effectively without stepping on our neighbours toes, democratically voting for resolutions and administering the region; and hence gathered a lot of support. The ascent may have been a endorsement swapping snap change, but it morphed into long term success; success Shaffey is seemingly disdainful of for very little reason.

Once more, we challenge Shaffey to explain how we have mismanaged inactivity - something our office is not responsible for, nor able to combat - or how they would personally 'reinvigorate' this region. We're all waiting on the details that we know they can't provide.

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#305

Posted 28 March 2013 - 10:12 PM

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Shaffeyan Opposition


UTSOORT - The people have spoken, the dictator shall fall. The man who has stained Shaffey's reputation throughout the region and removed basic rights from the Shaffeyan people will no longer rule over this great land. His cult will crumble as will his palaces, his officers will hang from cranes in the streets of Utsoort, the Shaffeyan people shall rule.

Independence.

Freedom.

The Shaffeyan Republic.


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Shaffeyan State Television


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Good Morning Shaffey!

Under the Grace of our L ORD King Shaffey the Great, I am Gusuf Bata with the Shaffeyan State Television.

A group of about ten hooligans gathered around the palace of Utsoort claiming to be the "voice of the people" and the "Shaffeyan opposition", they have been arrested and will soon be executed by order of the King. Let this be a warning to all other Tulijan agents wishing to cause chaos in this great land. The people of Shaffey are now experiencing one of the greatest periods in Shaffeyan history, a period of economic growth and stability, a period of freedom and equality for the Shaffeyan people.

*coughs* I can't do this anymore, down with the.. **Cuts to the National Anthem**


Meanwhile, inside the Palace of Utsoort:

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King Shaffey: I knew this would happen.

Tor Shul: Your Highness, this is just a phase the people are going through. You just started giving them too many freedoms. The right to vote, a parliaments all that stuff.

Shaffey: Well, what the f*ck do the want then? Should I squish them like the vermin they are? If freedom causes them to rebel...

Shul: Calm down Your Highness, maybe you should 'resign', let yours truly, the Prime Minister take over, you could even let them vote. Of course, you'll be leading the country from behind the scenes.

Shaffey: So they could have their way? The true patriotic Shaffeyans know that I am the true leader of this nation.

Shul: Patriotic? If by that you mean millionaires, then yes. You are absolutely right.

Shaffey: What did you say?

Shul: I - I... it's been a tough time, I apologize Your Highness.

Shaffey: Leave.

Shul: I apo...

Shaffey: f*ck off! Get Booten Ka in here while you're at it.

*25 Minutes later*

Booten Ka: You wanted to see me, Sir?

Shaffey: We need a new Prime Minister, keep mixing stuff up, until these people shut the f*ck up.




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