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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:54 PM

QUOTE (adamcs @ Thursday, Nov 10 2011, 11:28)
QUOTE (Vegetarian Piranha @ Thursday, Nov 10 2011, 11:22)
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I remember the mapping efforts for GTA IV on these forums after its first teaser trailer and folks extrapolated some pretty accurate maps just from that short trailer. It was loads of fun

do you think you would be able to dig some of these up for us?

Here it is: http://www.gtaforums...howtopic=271800

Tibatonk did an incredible job in that thread. He identified pretty much every building from the first trailer and made some cool maps. It's a pity none of the images load anymore...

Where can I see the actual maps people made?

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:56 PM Edited by The Hate, 31 May 2013 - 04:59 PM.

^Which suggests that the estimates given by chillyphilly and "Several users, including deffpony"are wrong.

Primarily due to the fact that the method of measurement was elementary and the that placements of the referenced buildings are arbitrarily determined.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:56 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 16:49)
QUOTE (ChillyPhilly @ Friday, May 31 2013, 09:17)
Read this first:

My work on determining certain distances in Los Santos

Several users, including deffpony, agreed with this.

Now that we have a legitimate Los Santos map, we can work out a scale.

I hate page stretching, but obviously didn't want to compromise this. Thankfully it hasn't destroyed the thread lol.gif

The line on the map (between the Sierra Tower and US Bank Tower) is 160 pixels. I simply replicated that.

160 pixels = ~1450 metres, or 0.9 miles.

http://i.imgur.com/Kr9fSeT.jpg?1

I think that's too big. If the distance between the Bank Tower and Sierra Tower is .9 miles, that would make the total blueprint area over 70 square miles.

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:12 PM

QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 10:56)

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

I'm repeating myself a little here...

The most likely scale of the blueprint map is 1 inch = 1/4 mile. Everything works at that size - the total area of the blueprint map would fit with the size statements from Rockstar and comparisons of both maps from IV and V as well as screenshots look good.

1 inch = 1/4 mile scale results in this -

user posted image

Cross your fingers and hope for a second city. wink.gif

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:13 PM Edited by RockStarNiko, 31 May 2013 - 05:26 PM.

Something interesting

It is generally accepted that San Andreas is approximately 6 km x 6 km = 36 sq km

The real life LA forum is approximately 150 metres.

user posted image

(original image was 1536 x 1536)

LS forum in San Andreas was approximately 40 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 800 pixels = 3 km.

The red line is just over half the width of San Andreas.

This gives a surprisingly accurate estimate of the map size for SA.

user posted image

(original image was 800 x 519)

LS forum in GTA V was approximately 30 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 300 pixels = 1.5 km.

Is the LS forum in GTA V to scale as it was in SA or have they made it much larger for some reason?

If the LS forum was 2x the size of its real life counterpart the red line would be 3 km.


The solution I come up with is as follows.

LS in San Andreas and LS in GTA V are both approximately 3 km wide.

However, the scale of GTA V is approximately 2x that of San Andreas. This explains why the forum is twice the size it is in San Andreas and also explains how the map can appear small but is actually "bigger than SA, RDR and IV combined".

So both versions of LS are 3 km wide, but LS in GTA V is twice as large in reality.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:15 PM

A pixel is a horrible unit of measurement.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:21 PM

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:13)
Something interesting

It is generally accepted that San Andreas is approximately 6 km x 6 km = 36 sq km

The real life LA forum is approximately 150 metres.

[image]

(original image was 1536 x 1536)

LS forum in San Andreas was approximately 40 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 800 pixels = 3 km.

The red line is just over half the width of San Andreas.

This gives a surprisingly accurate estimate of the map size for SA.

[image]

(original image was 800 x 519)

LS forum in GTA V was approximately 30 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 300 pixels = 1.5 km.

Is the LS forum in GTA V to scale as it was in SA or have they made it much larger for some reason?

If the LS forum was 2x the size of its real life counterpart the red line would be 3 km.

There is too much uncertainty regarding the size of the stadium/arena on the map.

The one in SA appears to be circular shaped while the one in GTA V is more oval shaped.

In addition it is difficult to recognize the outline of the stadium/arena in the GTA V map because it may be surrounded by parking lots that form the oval shape.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:23 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:12)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 10:56)

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

I'm repeating myself a little here...

The most likely scale of the blueprint map is 1 inch = 1/4 mile. Everything works at that size - the total area of the blueprint map would fit with the size statements from Rockstar and comparisons of both maps from IV and V as well as screenshots look good.

1 inch = 1/4 mile scale results in this -

user posted image

Cross your fingers and hope for a second city. wink.gif

I just didn't understand where 70 square miles came from.

Oh yeah. I agree with the scales that show that LS is (almost) same size as LC.
A second city would be really nice. At least the highway going east from LS wouldn't just loop around countryside just to get back west of LS.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:23 PM

Im surprised the map appears to be on big island. I thought there would be more islets surrounding the island.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:24 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:12)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 10:56)

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

I'm repeating myself a little here...

The most likely scale of the blueprint map is 1 inch = 1/4 mile. Everything works at that size - the total area of the blueprint map would fit with the size statements from Rockstar and comparisons of both maps from IV and V as well as screenshots look good.

1 inch = 1/4 mile scale results in this -

user posted image

Cross your fingers and hope for a second city. wink.gif

Choco, how does that look when the land areas from LC are condensed

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:26 PM

i have to agree with the map the hate posted in the los santos size thread. that would make the grids 1inch which makes the most sense. it also means los santos is quite a bit b igger than liberty city.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:30 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:12)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 10:56)

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

I'm repeating myself a little here...
The most likely scale of the blueprint map is 1 inch = 1/4 mile. Everything works at that size - the total area of the blueprint map would fit with the size statements from Rockstar and comparisons of both maps from IV and V as well as screenshots look good.
1 inch = 1/4 mile scale results in this -
user posted image
Cross your fingers and hope for a second city. wink.gif

That actually looks perfect. Remove the water from LC and clump the islands together and you'll get the same landmass.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:36 PM

QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:23)

I just didn't understand where 70 square miles came from.


I used the blueprint size (21.5" x 26.75) to figure it out.


QUOTE (josephene123 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:24)

Choco, how does that look when the land areas from LC are condensed


I don't know. I don't feel like cutting and pasting map pieces. tounge.gif

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:36)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:23)

I just didn't understand where 70 square miles came from.


I used the blueprint size (21.5" x 26.75) to figure it out.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:12)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 10:56)

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

I'm repeating myself a little here...

The most likely scale of the blueprint map is 1 inch = 1/4 mile. Everything works at that size - the total area of the blueprint map would fit with the size statements from Rockstar and comparisons of both maps from IV and V as well as screenshots look good.

1 inch = 1/4 mile scale results in this -

user posted image

Cross your fingers and hope for a second city. wink.gif

^How are you measuring 1/4" when the blueprint does not physically exist. (Using a ruler on the moniter?) I would like to know how many pixels that is so i can get a rough estimate of the area.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:36)
QUOTE (josephene123 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:24)

Choco, how does that look when the land areas from LC are condensed


I don't know. I don't feel like cutting and pasting map pieces. tounge.gif

Do you think this is accurate?
http://i1173.photobu...ighway4lane.jpg

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:42 PM

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:43 PM

Hey everybody this is my first post. I just wanted to say thank you to everybody who has spent hours dissecting screenshots and trailers to provide analysis and concept maps. Many of you are very talented! Even if the final map is very different from what many people think, it's still been fun to speculate. I've been very excited about the game since they first announced it, I was crushed when they delayed from spring to fall, but summer always goes by fast and the game is almost here. Oh, and for those of you that watch the NBA Go Pacers!

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:45 PM

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Friday, May 24 2013, 01:54)
user posted image

This is a blueprint map. So there should be a scale. The measurements are given in inches, 21.5 and 26.75.

Before I thought the grid squares could be 1x1 km square, but now I realize you don't mix measuring systems.

The scale will be inches to miles, not km.

1 inch - 1/4 mile and 4 inches - 1 mile.

I think this is the scale.

So, the red bars in above screenshot are 3/4 mile (which is ~1.2 km).

The scale might well be wrong, but I do think that the fact that they using a blueprint will mean they are using a real scale, makes sense I think.

Also it wont be something complicated like 1 inch to 6/18 mile.

Common scale systems are 1 inch to 1/4 mile or 1 inch to 1/2 mile etc

If you use the scale of 1 inch to 1/4 mile you get 5.375 miles wide and 6.6875 miles long.

Total area of the blueprint map is then = 35.945 sq miles.

So, the actual map size, forming a square around the N-W-E-S points would be around 30 sq miles.

The extra 20% found using this new scale also makes the LS forum exactly the same size as its real life counterpart.


Scale = 1 inch - 1/4 mile - 4 inches to 1 mile
Total Area of Blueprint map = 35 sq miles

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:46 PM

QUOTE (The Hate @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:41)

^How are you measuring 1/4" when the blueprint does not physically exist. (Using a ruler on the moniter?) I would like to know how many pixels that is so i can get a rough estimate of the area.

Using the 21.5" x 26.75 measurement would make the grid lines on the map 3 inches across. 1 inch = 1/4 mile.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE (The Hate @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:41)

^How are you measuring 1/4" when the blueprint does not physically exist. (Using a ruler on the moniter?) I would like to know how many pixels that is so i can get a rough estimate of the area.

R* already told us the size of the map in inches.
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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:54 PM

QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:23)
QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:12)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 10:56)

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

I'm repeating myself a little here...

The most likely scale of the blueprint map is 1 inch = 1/4 mile. Everything works at that size - the total area of the blueprint map would fit with the size statements from Rockstar and comparisons of both maps from IV and V as well as screenshots look good.

1 inch = 1/4 mile scale results in this -

user posted image

Cross your fingers and hope for a second city. wink.gif

I just didn't understand where 70 square miles came from.

I guess you didn't know about Chaco taco's tragic condition when talking about GTA V...

user posted image

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 05:59 PM

QUOTE (ILS_Supernova @ Friday, May 31 2013, 16:32)
Hey all,

I have read this amazing thread since the start, and have to first say how amazing the work is. I very rarely add replies or make topics, as I rather just see how the game pans out in September.

I decided to add this reply because I see that most have decided the GTA V map will be a island? Has R* confirmed it as a island or any reviews?
Me I really think that the map will take a page from RDR with maybe the north, east and west landlocked. The water will be the ocean in the south, lakes and rivers placed around the map.

This is what I think anyway, I'm sure others will trash this but I really think they might landlock sides of the map this time as I didnt find it that bad in RDR.

Cheers for reading anyway . .thoughts?

I don't think it actually has been confirmed that it is going to be an island, but it's the most easy thing to do, I guess. If they would make the world like you described, they have to make invisible walls so we can't fly out of the map. In RDR it was easy to landlock the sides of the map, because there were no airplanes biggrin.gif

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:04 PM Edited by The Hate, 31 May 2013 - 06:31 PM.

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Using the scale 1inch=1/4mile I estimate the area of the city to be 107 million sq ft or 3.9sq mi (10 sq km)

I think that is the size of liberty city exuding Alderney, which is technically separate from Liberty City.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:06 PM

QUOTE (bakerach @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:54)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:23)
QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:12)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 10:56)

What? Am I missing something? With that scale, on that blueprint map, LS isn't big at all.
And that's if that scale is correct.

I'm repeating myself a little here...

The most likely scale of the blueprint map is 1 inch = 1/4 mile. Everything works at that size - the total area of the blueprint map would fit with the size statements from Rockstar and comparisons of both maps from IV and V as well as screenshots look good.

1 inch = 1/4 mile scale results in this -

user posted image

Cross your fingers and hope for a second city. wink.gif

I just didn't understand where 70 square miles came from.

I guess you didn't know about Chaco taco's tragic condition when talking about GTA V...

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LOL

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:13 PM

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 18:36)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:23)

I just didn't understand where 70 square miles came from.


I used the blueprint size (21.5" x 26.75) to figure it out.


QUOTE (josephene123 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:24)

Choco, how does that look when the land areas from LC are condensed


I don't know. I don't feel like cutting and pasting map pieces. tounge.gif

So this would mean the whole map is approx 5x San Andreas (13.9 miČ) big, is that correct?

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:17 PM

QUOTE (DS 17 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 18:13)
QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 31 2013, 18:36)
QUOTE (AceHigh11 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:23)

I just didn't understand where 70 square miles came from.


I used the blueprint size (21.5" x 26.75) to figure it out.


QUOTE (josephene123 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 11:24)

Choco, how does that look when the land areas from LC are condensed


I don't know. I don't feel like cutting and pasting map pieces. tounge.gif

So this would mean the whole map is approx 5x San Andreas (13.9 miČ) big, is that correct?

That would be insane. I don't trust that scale. Too good to be true.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:21 PM

QUOTE (DS 17 @ Friday, May 31 2013, 12:13)

So this would mean the whole map is approx 5x San Andreas (13.9 miČ) big, is that correct?

It would make the area within the border of the blueprint map around 30 square miles.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:31 PM

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Friday, May 31 2013, 17:13)
Something interesting

It is generally accepted that San Andreas is approximately 6 km x 6 km = 36 sq km

The real life LA forum is approximately 150 metres.

user posted image

(original image was 1536 x 1536)

LS forum in San Andreas was approximately 40 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 800 pixels = 3 km.

The red line is just over half the width of San Andreas.

This gives a surprisingly accurate estimate of the map size for SA.

user posted image

(original image was 800 x 519)

LS forum in GTA V was approximately 30 pixels

The red line in above screenshot is 300 pixels = 1.5 km.

Is the LS forum in GTA V to scale as it was in SA or have they made it much larger for some reason?

If the LS forum was 2x the size of its real life counterpart the red line would be 3 km.


The solution I come up with is as follows.

LS in San Andreas and LS in GTA V are both approximately 3 km wide.

However, the scale of GTA V is approximately 2x that of San Andreas. This explains why the forum is twice the size it is in San Andreas and also explains how the map can appear small but is actually "bigger than SA, RDR and IV combined".

So both versions of LS are 3 km wide, but LS in GTA V is twice as large in reality.

Going by the shape on the maps and the exterior appearances I'm fairly sure that the stadium in San Andreas LS was based on the LA Forum, whereas the stadium in V LS is based on the LA Memorial Coliseum.

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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:37 PM

The problem with estimating map sizes is that we're dealing with squares.

For example if a linear scale has a 10% error then the area has a 21% error (1.1x1.1=1.21 or 121%)

Even worse, a 25% error in the scale correlates to a 56% error in area (1.25x1.25=1.5625 or 156.25%)




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