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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:27 PM Edited by omawnakw, 05 May 2013 - 12:30 PM.

Here it is:
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Need to verify, if i'm not wrong we have another large one-floor building in that area.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:28 PM

That would mean that the Alamo Sea runs in a North/South axis, contrary to what we have on the maps right now (ie. East/West) ?
Is that how you see things ?

@ omawnakw : No way that's the Forum my friend.
It is way bigger.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:55 PM

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 12:28)
That would mean that the Alamo Sea runs in a North/South axis, contrary to what we have on the maps right now (ie. East/West) ?
Is that how you see things ?

@ omawnakw : No way that's the Forum my friend.
It is way bigger.

Up until very recently I pictured it as it is in yours and Kiwi's maps but now I'm not sure which I believe tbh.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 12:57 PM

QUOTE (suavea @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 11:10)
@Fido, I tried to compare locations from Franklin's trailer to your map and I think that they are in wrong place. Take a look at this:

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what do you think about it?

Yeah, looks tempting...

Maybe you should include this screen too, which is kind of the missing link:

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 11:46)
Hmmm, you make a strong case my friend.
Looks like all of this fits very well together.
But that would place all these ghetto scenes immediately south of Downtown!
Actually, when checking on this, I noticed something :

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Does this look like a church to you ?
If it does, then I believe we can link this Downtown shot with the ghetto.
Woud be great but that also make the city a bit smaller than we thought.

Hmm... even though it's hard to see anything, I find this rather tempting, too.

Now I have a couple of questions though: In suavea's markup, the streets run north-south and east-west. For the street from the church towards the Compton Courthouse, that's probably fine. But don't we know that the large avenue that leads to the LS Forum, which is also the one in the Pick Your Ring and biker scenes, runs from northeast to southwest (see the first two screenshots below)? Now how would the church being where you think it is affect all this?

And what are the two structures in the third screenshot? Are they in any other shot?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:25 PM Edited by Fido_le_muet, 05 May 2013 - 01:29 PM.

Update time !
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I'm quite satisfied with it.
Can someone put a circle on the map to show me where Sandy Shores is supposed to go ? Would be great if several of you could do it.
And are we sure about the lighthouse being North-East ? Can it be at the mouth of the Alamo River ?

Also, do you remember where we were about a year ago ?
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:30 PM Edited by lxr, 05 May 2013 - 01:40 PM.

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 13:25)
Update time !

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I'm quite satisfied with it.
Can someone put a circle on the map to show me where Sandy Shores is supposed to go ? Would be great if several of you could do it.
And are we sure about the lighthouse being North-East ? Can it be at the mouth of the Alamo River ?

Great!

I still think the mountains from Mt. Pointy to Mt. Flat should move further west though, towards the Alamo Sea.

With regards to Sandy Shores, my guess is: go to Mt. W, then move northwest until you reach the shore.

And the lighthouse... I think the mouth of the Alamo River can be ruled out, given the huge bridge at its end.


Also, I've looked at the South LS shots again, and your church markup, and I have to say... it would fit almost perfectly!

Edit: Ah, and the courthouse facing southeast, plus that bend in the road, may actually make sense as well.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:46 PM

Thanks for the feedback mate, it's always appreciated.

About Mt Flat and Pointy, I believe they are further away than they appear.
About the lighthouse, I believe it's in the North-East but I still have an ounce of doubt because of this :
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Still think it's North-East but...

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 13:46)
Thanks for the feedback mate, it's always appreciated.

About Mt Flat and Pointy, I believe they are further away than they appear.
About the lighthouse, I believe it's in the North-East but I still have an ounce of doubt because of this :
http://img29.imagesh...33/bridgesi.jpg

Still think it's North-East but...

I don't believe that's the same bridge. The bridge in the parachute screenshot appears to be higher from the ground compared to that bridge in the lighthouse screenshot.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 01:57 PM

Yeah, that's what I thought too when posting the picture.
However, if the lighthouse is on the North-East, shouldn't we be able to see Mt Northern behind Mt Alamo ?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:01 PM

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 13:57)
Yeah, that's what I thought too when posting the picture.
However, if the lighthouse is on the North-East, shouldn't we be able to see Mt Northern behind Mt Alamo ?

I'm totally confused with the mountain names everybody is using here. Can you please point out which mountain is Mt Northern?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:04 PM

Use this flickr album by lxr to know which one I'm talking about :
http://www.flickr.co...ith/8701083083/

You can see it on the shot of Trevor with the dead guy in the water. icon14.gif

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:09 PM

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 13:57)
Yeah, that's what I thought too when posting the picture.
However, if the lighthouse is on the North-East, shouldn't we be able to see Mt Northern behind Mt Alamo ?

The lighthouse screen is facing Mt Alamo head on, whereas Trevor pistol screen is more to the side, which would place his location even further north from the lighthouse.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 13:46)
Thanks for the feedback mate, it's always appreciated.

About Mt Flat and Pointy, I believe they are further away than they appear.
About the lighthouse, I believe it's in the North-East but I still have an ounce of doubt because of this :

[IMAGE]

Still think it's North-East but...

Re Mt. Flat / Mt. Pointy... this is just about one of them appearing just east of Vinewood Hill, when seen from high up over Downtown.

That lighthouse... if this was at the far western end of the Alamo River, then I'd find it weird that we don't see Mt. Zancudo at all. Actually, I think the easiest way to figure out where that lighthouse is located would be to mark up a couple of points on the top and flanks of Mt. Alamo, like here, in images A. I really think it wouldn't be hard to find out.

And what's still puzzling me about South LS... we know two more streets that run roughly parallel to the Church-Courthouse street, see here, images 2/3/4/5 and, a bit further north, image 6. It's really hard to believe that the huge industrial structures in the background, tower and "... COMPANY" building, are in none of the shots below.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

AH, GOT IT!

The huge industrial structure below is NOT Centennial Mills. It's the one I was looking for, it's further south. See the three chimneys for orientation.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:21 PM Edited by Jonny04, 05 May 2013 - 02:31 PM.

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 3 2013, 18:36)
QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 10:41)
I'm not trying to start the Los Santos size discussion again, but in one of the previews (I think CVG) it was said that Los Santos is about 1/10 or 1/8 of the entire map.
That is really gigantic!
But I'm saying this so you mappers can use that info to create a more accurate map perhaps

Proportion wise, that would be like San Andreas with only Los Santos.

I was also wondering about the review that said they were at an altitude of 13,000 feet. That's about 9 times higher than the Rotterdam Tower in IV.

It's certainly an interesting issue.

What do you guys think the the absolute ceiling will be of the biggest aircraft/ or fighter jets in the game will be then ?? If they truly reckon the helicopter was at 13,000 ft then that's really impressive, and must mean the tallest mountain is at least that height.

Rotterdam Tower in IV was 1472 ft high, and the US Bank Tower is 1018 feet, so in other words the helicopter would be 13 times higher than the US Bank Tower in the game, I personally think thats a bit too high.

You could fly to about 3000 ft in GTA IV so I don't see why you wouldn't be able to cruise at 13,000 in jets and passenger jets, but surely the helicopter's absolute ceiling is not that.

In reality helicopters can't fly above 15,000 ft AGL. This is true of the Maverick, its based upon a Bell 206 which has a service ceiling of 14,000 ft.

If we say Rockstar have put that into perspective, then surely a helicopter can only fly to about 30-40% of the absolute ceiling of a passenger jet, or fighter jet in the game, so the claim of the helicopter at 13,000 ft can't be true.

Apologies if it was a plane he's hanging out of, I listened to the CVG video at like 4am days ago, maybe I thought they said helicopter. If it was a plane, still relevant opinion I think, helicopters should be able to reach half the height of passenger jets or fighet jets if Rockstar paid attention to helicopter's absolute ceiling

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

Maybe Mt. Northern is only part of Mt. Alamo?
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:25 PM

QUOTE (Jonny04 @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 14:21)
QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Friday, May 3 2013, 18:36)
QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 10:41)
I'm not trying to start the Los Santos size discussion again, but in one of the previews (I think CVG) it was said that Los Santos is about 1/10 or 1/8 of the entire map.
That is really gigantic!
But I'm saying this so you mappers can use that info to create a more accurate map perhaps

Proportion wise, that would be like San Andreas with only Los Santos.

I was also wondering about the review that said they were at an altitude of 13,000 feet. That's about 9 times higher than the Rotterdam Tower in IV.

It's certainly an interesting issue.

What do you guys think the the absolute ceiling will be of the biggest aircraft/ or fighter jets in the game will be then ?? If they truly reckon the helicopter was at 13,000 ft then that's really impressive, and must mean the tallest mountain is at least that height.

Rotterdam Tower in IV was 1472 ft high, and the US Bank Tower is 1018 feet, so in other words the helicopter would be 13 times higher than the US Bank Tower in the game, I personally think thats a bit too high.

You could fly to about 3000 ft in GTA IV so I don't see why you wouldn't be able to cruise at 13,000 in jets and passenger jets, but surely the helicopter's absolute ceiling is not that.

In reality helicopters can't fly above 15,000 ft AGL. This is true of the Maverick, its based upon a Bell 206 which has a service ceiling of 14,000 ft.

If we say Rockstar have put that into perspective, then surely a helicopter can only fly to about 30-40% of the absolute ceiling of a passenger jet, or fighter jet in the game, so the claim of the helicopter at 13,000 ft can't be true.

It was only a guess by the reporters. Most of them said 'thousands' though. I'd guess they were about 5000ft up.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 14:19)
AH, GOT IT!

The huge industrial structure below is NOT Centennial Mills. It's the one I was looking for, it's further south. See the three chimneys for orientation.

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This frame appears to show both of them (the second one below the shooter's elbow):

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:32 PM

This time around, Planes should be cruising at around 20-30 thousand feet. Helicopter's can go upto 13-15,000 and no more.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:36 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 15:27)
QUOTE (lxr @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 14:19)
AH, GOT IT!

The huge industrial structure below is NOT Centennial Mills. It's the one I was looking for, it's further south. See the three chimneys for orientation.

[IMAGE]

This frame appears to show both of them (the second one below the shooter's elbow):

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It is also here right?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:36 PM

Makes sense lxr.
From what I see, that structure is west of the River, south of the Courthouse.
It is visible from the street of the shootout, which is south of the church street.
That would put it just north-east of the Schuyler Bridge.
That fits !

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:39 PM

So this should help us put the Watts Towers on the map:

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:40 PM Edited by doubled, 05 May 2013 - 02:43 PM.

QUOTE (Fido_le_muet @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 13:57)
Yeah, that's what I thought too when posting the picture.
However, if the lighthouse is on the North-East, shouldn't we be able to see Mt Northern behind Mt Alamo ?

Mt Northern falls behind Mt Alamo on the lighthouse screenshot because of the angle, it's more heads on looking at Mt Alamo. On the Trevor with the Dead guy screenshot Mt Alamo can be seen more from the side.

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I would place the lighthouse at the red circle or somewhere close to that:
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Posted 05 May 2013 - 02:53 PM

Yep that's what I thought too.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:16 PM

QUOTE (doubled @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 14:40)
Mt Northern falls behind Mt Alamo on the lighthouse screenshot because of the angle, it's more heads on looking at Mt Alamo. On the Trevor with the Dead guy screenshot Mt Alamo can be seen more from the side.

Well, I'm not 100% certain yet that the red an blue ledges are actually identical.

But what's obvious is that from the eastern end of the Alamo Sea, Mt. Alamo looks significantly wider than from the lighthouse. Which suggests that the lighthouse is a bit further up north.

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:18 PM

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that one looks pretty decent. but I think there will be more in the north. would be a bit weird if theres just a small stripe behind these mountains

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:19 PM

Fido, what screenshots show the small cliffs that flank the river in NE Los Santos?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:33 PM

Any possibilities of a minor city to the north of the often seen train tunnel?

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Posted 05 May 2013 - 03:50 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 15:16)
QUOTE (doubled @ Sunday, May 5 2013, 14:40)
Mt Northern falls behind Mt Alamo on the lighthouse screenshot because of the angle, it's more heads on looking at Mt Alamo. On the Trevor with the Dead guy screenshot Mt Alamo can be seen more from the side.

Well, I'm not 100% certain yet that the red an blue ledges are actually identical.

But what's obvious is that from the eastern end of the Alamo Sea, Mt. Alamo looks significantly wider than from the lighthouse. Which suggests that the lighthouse is a bit further up north.

It's hard to see the outline of the mountain because of the red and blue line i used. I made another example with numbers, i also tilted the Trevor with the Dead guy screenshot according to the coast(lake)line and i zoomed both screenshots.

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