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#9781

Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:53 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Friday, May 3 2013, 20:46)
Regarding the mountains:

- The big mountain behind the city, as zombie elvis has demonstrated yesterday, is Mt. Alamo (the mountain behind Trevor's head, in the dead guy in the water scene), not Mt. Zancudo (the triangular mountain between the two rivers).

- Mt. Chiliad (the mountain with the hikers) may be Mt. Alamo, Mt. Zancudo, or an entirely different mountain. I tried to look at it as closely as possible in this post. And again, I prefer the shot in that post, as it shows a second, adjacent mountain, Mt. Chili (marked with a "Y").

In this screenshot

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Are you saying the mountain offscreen to the right is Zancudo, the one the plane circles?

And the mountain on left in foreground in the one behind Trevor's head, Alamo?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:04 PM

this from game informer

"the expansiveness doesn't really sink in until you see Franklin hanging out of a plane at 13,000 feet.

The sense of scale is breathtaking. Looking out to the left as Franklin jumps from the plane, I can see clear to the Alamos Sea (the GTA version of the Salton Sea). Far in the distance to the right is downtown Los Santos, with skyscrapers reaching high into the sky despite the considerable distance from the jump location. In between lies a vast mountain range filled with trees, animals, and a wealth of dynamic activities."


they at 13,000 feet, to the left is alamo sea and far off to the right is los santos (most likely this mean alamo is ~N and LS ~S)

reading that makes me believe that alamo sea is much further away from los santos than we think

they also mention a vast mountain range between alamo sea and los santos

if the above screenshot is showing alamo sea and vinewood hills are top right, then where is the distance they talk about, where is the vast mountain range?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Neckbeard @ Friday, May 3 2013, 20:49)
reposting this from the other thread
just in case it helps somehow estimating the size between the vinewood sign and the building
US BANK TOWER

This is wrong. In the screenshot you can make out City Hall in the lower right and it is across the freeway from the Bank Tower.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:21 PM

QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 15:52)
QUOTE (BennyBlunts4 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 19:48)
QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 19:42)
QUOTE (BennyBlunts4 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 19:39)
QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 18:34)
user posted image

This is a quick sketch, not that good looking, but you get the idea.
Give me any screenshot with a mountain and I can tell you if it's A, B, or C

So by judging by what your guessing this is how I am picturing it...lmk if I have it right

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Green dot - Hikers

Red Line - HUGE mountain

Exactly right!

Just look at the Trevor shot a guy at the lake screenshot, and you'll see that it's the same mountain

Wait so are you saying you think this mountain -

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Is this mountain? -

user posted image

Because to me they look like different sizes.

Yes, but from the other side.
When it comes to size, have a look at the bottom of the mountain at the trees and buildings. I think it's logic

Totally agree, it is the same mountain, but both pictures are taken on opposite sides of the mountain.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:38 PM

QUOTE (xFrostByte77x @ Friday, May 3 2013, 21:21)
QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 15:52)
QUOTE (BennyBlunts4 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 19:48)
QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 19:42)
QUOTE (BennyBlunts4 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 19:39)
QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 18:34)
user posted image

This is a quick sketch, not that good looking, but you get the idea.
Give me any screenshot with a mountain and I can tell you if it's A, B, or C

So by judging by what your guessing this is how I am picturing it...lmk if I have it right

user posted image

Green dot - Hikers

Red Line - HUGE mountain

Exactly right!

Just look at the Trevor shot a guy at the lake screenshot, and you'll see that it's the same mountain

Wait so are you saying you think this mountain -

user posted image

Is this mountain? -

user posted image

Because to me they look like different sizes.

Yes, but from the other side.
When it comes to size, have a look at the bottom of the mountain at the trees and buildings. I think it's logic

Totally agree, it is the same mountain, but both pictures are taken on opposite sides of the mountain.

I totally disagree.

They look completely different shape and size.

Mountain with 3 hikers is MUCH larger.

Also, look at the trees in the hikers screenshot and look at the tree to the right of Trevor.


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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:43 PM

It is my opinion that Rockstar will put Chilliad in the same relative position to LS as it was in San Andreas. I also can't see them putting a reimagined Cali together ass backwards. I think they are confusing everyone with screenshots and the Alamo Sea is to the Southeast of LS just like the Salton Sea is in real life. Everything we are seeing north is desert/edwards AFB region along with the vast mountain range. Rockstar isn't one for being that far off the real places so I can't make any logical sense why Salton Sea would be north of LA.

Who knows, we will find out in a few more months!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:45 PM

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 21:38)
I totally disagree.

They look completely different shape and size.

Mountain with 3 hikers is MUCH larger.

Also, look at the trees in the hikers screenshot and look at the tree to the right of Trevor.

That's because you have to read over it again and notice that we both said, it's the same mountain but from different sides.

LAKE on the left side of mountain, trees and hikers on the right side of mountain. So yeah obviously if the trees look different there's nothing weird about it, as the mountain seperates two areas of the map

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:51 PM

QUOTE (doubled @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 14:21)
Im quite sure the mountain in the background on the following screenshot is the same as the mountain behind Trevors head.

user posted image

user posted image

It also appears that there is a water inlet near the lighthouse.

In the light house pic, look at how the sun is setting. It reveals that this is the east coast of the map! Since the sun sets in the west.

Also, compare the faint ridges of the large mountain in both pix. This show that they are both view points are coming from a similar direction and strengthening this theory. Adjust your maps accordingly.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:54 PM

I can tell that they are hiding the valley

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE (initium @ Friday, May 3 2013, 21:45)
QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 21:38)
I totally disagree.

They look completely different shape and size.

Mountain with 3 hikers is MUCH larger.

Also, look at the trees in the hikers screenshot and look at the tree to the right of Trevor.

That's because you have to read over it again and notice that we both said, it's the same mountain but from different sides.

LAKE on the left side of mountain, trees and hikers on the right side of mountain. So yeah obviously if the trees look different there's nothing weird about it, as the mountain seperates two areas of the map

I know you are saying it on opposite side but I don't see any similarities at all

In the Trevor screenshot we are at ground level and we are not very far away at all, the mountain is as tall as Trevor's head

In the hikers screenshot we are not at ground level, we are stood somewhere on an adjacent mountain.

Also there is another mountain behind the hikers one, where would that mountain be in the Trevor screenshot

The surrounding environment looks completely different, the shapes don't match and the size doesn't match.

If you could point out some similar contours or something

Where are the strange ridges for instance on the mountain behind Trevor's head, they should be somewhere on the left slope?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:55 PM

Initium,

I was curious where you predict we will see the airforce base/military base on your sketch?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 09:56 PM

QUOTE (adrian949 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 21:51)
QUOTE (doubled @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 14:21)
Im quite sure the mountain in the background on the following screenshot is the same as the mountain behind Trevors head.



It also appears that there is a water inlet near the lighthouse.

In the light house pic, look at how the sun is setting. It reveals that this is the east coast of the map! Since the sun sets in the west.

Also, compare the faint ridges of the large mountain in both pix. This show that they are both view points are coming from a similar direction and strengthening this theory. Adjust your maps accordingly.

Ding Ding Ding! Someone is getting it, hence why I believe the Alamo Sea will be to the southeast of Los Santos just like how the Salton Sea is to LA!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:02 PM

QUOTE (The_Majestic @ Friday, May 3 2013, 21:55)
Initium,

I was curious where you predict we will see the airforce base/military base on your sketch?

I think right next to mountain B, at the side of the lake.
If you look at behind Trevor's head (right of him) in the picture above, I'm pretty sure you can see a hangar.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:07 PM Edited by RockStarNiko, 03 May 2013 - 10:09 PM.

Does anyone think that Los Santos might be towards the bottom right of the map again like in San Andreas and so everything else is either North, West and mostly North West.

This would make sense if you think about it, in terms of flying planes and helicopters, because it would create a maximum distance from SE corner of the map to far NW corner of the map.

It could also explain why Salton Sea is East but Alamo Sea is North and why Edwards air force base is North but military base is West.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:11 PM

QUOTE (Fatty Roman @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 15:38)
QUOTE (Warmaster666 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 15:36)
When i look at these two shots, the city looks not very big.

http://media1.gamein...eenshot_207.jpg


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Well then you must be smoking crystal, my friend.

On a different note anyone notice the window cleaning platform that will be operational, on the Bank tower??

It clearly is operational based on the fact of IV had this, and why put it there if it don't work.

Good work mappers!!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:18 PM

Looks like this was fairly correct on guesstimating the lighthouse and some other features, boo-yah!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:20 PM

Dear f*cking god that image

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:33 PM

Some updates to my map. Haven't added all new areas yet. Click on map below for big version.
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:49 PM Edited by ECDT1089, 03 May 2013 - 10:51 PM.

QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 04:04)
Work in progress part 2
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http://www.gta5-comm...-progress/?p=49

This map is awesome! Nice job! icon14.gif Your map just made me even more excited about this game.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:50 PM

QUOTE (jfavignano @ Friday, May 3 2013, 21:43)
It is my opinion that Rockstar will put Chilliad in the same relative position to LS as it was in San Andreas. I also can't see them putting a reimagined Cali together ass backwards. I think they are confusing everyone with screenshots and the Alamo Sea is to the Southeast of LS just like the Salton Sea is in real life. Everything we are seeing north is desert/edwards AFB region along with the vast mountain range. Rockstar isn't one for being that far off the real places so I can't make any logical sense why Salton Sea would be north of LA.

Who knows, we will find out in a few more months!

Believe me, we found it out months ago, the Alamo Sea is in the north.

See GTAKiwi's map, in the first post. To prove it wrong, you'd have to point out actual errors in it, with regards to the screenshots -- and no-one has ever managed to find any major one.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:56 PM

QUOTE (ECDT1089 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 04:04)
Work in progress part 2
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http://www.gta5-comm...-progress/?p=49

This map is awesome! Nice job! icon14.gif Your map just made me even more excited about this game.

Thanks, I like making it, it's like a detective job!

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (ECDT1089 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 04:04)
Work in progress part 2

http://www.gta5-comm...-progress/?p=49

This map is awesome! Nice job! icon14.gif Your map just made me even more excited about this game.

It looks great, though I believe the Alamo Sea should be way more east, and the city should be considerably smaller compared to Blaine County. Remember the CVG preview (1/8th - 1/10th of the map)

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:06 PM

QUOTE (GTAKiwi @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:33)
Some updates to my map. Haven't added all new areas yet. Click on map below for big version.
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Cool!

One question: Are you convinced that the pointy mountain that's visible to the east of Vinewood Hill, when looking north, is Mt. Flat, or is it in that position just by accident?

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:07 PM

QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:56)
QUOTE (ECDT1089 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 04:04)
Work in progress part 2
user posted image

http://www.gta5-comm...-progress/?p=49

This map is awesome! Nice job! icon14.gif Your map just made me even more excited about this game.

Thanks, I like making it, it's like a detective job!

I wish this is what the map looked like, but CVG said the city is only 1/8th to 1/10th of the map.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Blitzkrieg35 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:07)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:56)
QUOTE (ECDT1089 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 04:04)
Work in progress part 2
user posted image

http://www.gta5-comm...-progress/?p=49

This map is awesome! Nice job! icon14.gif Your map just made me even more excited about this game.

Thanks, I like making it, it's like a detective job!

I wish this is what the map looked like, but CVG said the city is only 1/8th to 1/10th of the map.

I'm ecstatic about there being a HUGE amount of land that isn't in the city. Didn't you people get enough city in IV? Felt like a concrete prison to me, V will be like being set free...
(sorry off tread topic)

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:15 PM

QUOTE (stux56 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:03)
Remember the CVG preview (1/8th - 1/10th of the map)


QUOTE (Blitzkrieg35 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:07)
I wish this is what the map looked like, but CVG said the city is only 1/8th to 1/10th of the map.


Well, one more time: CVG have caught a glimpse of some part of the map, with the city somewhere in the distance. Don't take their estimate as a fact. It's almost certain that they're wrong.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:15)
QUOTE (stux56 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:03)
Remember the CVG preview (1/8th - 1/10th of the map)


QUOTE (Blitzkrieg35 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:07)
I wish this is what the map looked like, but CVG said the city is only 1/8th to 1/10th of the map.


Well, one more time: CVG have caught a glimpse of some part of the map, with the city somewhere in the distance. Don't take their estimate as a fact. It's almost certain that they're wrong.

What ratio do you imagine we will get?

I think 3 sq m city and 24-30 sq m total map area sounds good

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:44 PM

QUOTE (Blitzkrieg35 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 17:07)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:56)
QUOTE (ECDT1089 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 04:04)
Work in progress part 2


http://www.gta5-comm...-progress/?p=49

This map is awesome! Nice job! icon14.gif Your map just made me even more excited about this game.

Thanks, I like making it, it's like a detective job!

I wish this is what the map looked like, but CVG said the city is only 1/8th to 1/10th of the map.

Previous games' land areas I've listed before:
  • RDR 5.9 sq mi (in boundaries)
  • GTASA 11.4 sq mi
  • GTAIV 3.4 sq mi
Total 20.7 sq mi

Now we have the new description of GTAV land area being 3.5x RDR
  • 3.5*5.9=20.7 sq mi
monocle.gif That's consistent! We land on the same number by two methods. Can I have a cookie.gif ?

With water, the total map (5x RDR) would be 29.5 sq mi.

Los Santos city area: 1/8 to 1/10 of the land would be 2 to 2.6 sq mi (land area of GTAIV minus Alderney, such as Chinatown Wars), while 1/8 to 1/10 of the entire map with water would be 3 to 3.7 sq mi (as big or bigger than GTAIV land area). However, the total Liberty City map area doubles with water, and the numbers we have don't seem to allow the city of Los Santos to cover that big of an area.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:50 PM

QUOTE (Magic_Al @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:44)
QUOTE (Blitzkrieg35 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 17:07)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:56)
QUOTE (ECDT1089 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (Kirko @ Friday, May 3 2013, 04:04)
Work in progress part 2


http://www.gta5-comm...-progress/?p=49

This map is awesome! Nice job! icon14.gif Your map just made me even more excited about this game.

Thanks, I like making it, it's like a detective job!

I wish this is what the map looked like, but CVG said the city is only 1/8th to 1/10th of the map.

Previous games' land areas I've listed before:
  • RDR 5.9 sq mi (in boundaries)
  • GTASA 11.4 sq mi
  • GTAIV 3.4 sq mi
Total 20.7 sq mi

Now we have the new description of GTAV land area being 3.5x RDR
  • 3.5*5.9=20.7 sq mi
monocle.gif That's consistent! We land on the same number by two methods. Can I have a cookie.gif ?

With water, the total map (5x RDR) would be 29.5 sq mi.

Los Santos city area: 1/8 to 1/10 of the land would be 2 to 2.6 sq mi (land area of GTAIV minus Alderney, such as Chinatown Wars), while 1/8 to 1/10 of the entire map with water would be 3 to 3.7 sq mi (as big or bigger than GTAIV land area). However, the total Liberty City map area doubles with water, and the numbers we have don't seem to allow the city of Los Santos to cover that big of an area.

cookie.gif As requested, good sir. icon14.gif

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:52 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:15)
QUOTE (stux56 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:03)
Remember the CVG preview (1/8th - 1/10th of the map)


QUOTE (Blitzkrieg35 @ Friday, May 3 2013, 23:07)
I wish this is what the map looked like, but CVG said the city is only 1/8th to 1/10th of the map.


Well, one more time: CVG have caught a glimpse of some part of the map, with the city somewhere in the distance. Don't take their estimate as a fact. It's almost certain that they're wrong.

You've got a point there. Though, I still find it weird that all the previews compare the character-switch-screen/thingy with Google Earth, I mean, that has to mean they've seen the map right? (and thus had a chance to quickly compare city to countryside). Maybe I'm just reading too much into it..




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