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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:19 PM

QUOTE (Showstopper 26 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 21:10)
With the new screens, how big are we thinking the city is?

i think the city will be more or less the same size as the land area of gta iv, so ~3 sq m

i think that is more than sufficient especially if it only around an 1/8th of total area of map

that would mean the whole map is around 24 sq m, almost twice as big as san andreas smile.gif

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:29 PM

QUOTE (USAPatriot @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 21:12)
Which article did everyone get the names of all these new mountains from? I can't find it. tounge.gif

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Which article did everyone get the names of all these new mountains from?  I can't find it. tounge.gif


It's just fan names, to make the discussions about the map easier.

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Ah okay thank you. 
Also, these are the same? 


Yes they are. That one island might look much bigger than the rocks in the Kifflom vid, but that's because of perspective.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:31 PM

QUOTE (USAPatriot @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 21:12)
Which article did everyone get the names of all these new mountains from? I can't find it. tounge.gif

Only confirmed mountain names are Mt Chiliad and Mt Josiah

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:50 PM

Have anyone found the Union Station or the MTA building?

I tracked some railroads while looking for them, most of these are probably known, but I'll post what I found. I left out most images with actual tracks and trains, some are also guesses.
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Railyard seen from the river:
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I also did the ones I found in the desert, should be nothing new here. The first two screens show the same tracks, and the last three are the same stretch seen from different angles.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 09:55 PM

QUOTE (TinCan @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 21:50)
I tracked some railroads while looking for them, most of these are probably known, but I'll post what I found. I left out most images with actual tracks and trains, some are also guesses.

Great job!

I'm not sure I agree with all of them (especially the one along the southern shore of the Alamo Sea, near Mt. X/Y/Z -- that's a road to me), but it's good to start mapping them.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:02 PM Edited by InternetKillTV, 02 May 2013 - 10:05 PM.

QUOTE (TinCan @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 21:50)
Have anyone found the Union Station or the MTA building?

I tracked some railroads while looking for them, most of these are probably known, but I'll post what I found. I left out most images with actual tracks and trains, some are also guesses.
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Railyard seen from the river:
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I also did the ones I found in the desert, should be nothing new here. The first two screens show the same tracks, and the last three are the same stretch seen from different angles.
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Your mountain pics can't be right. Your second to last one is a collection of 4 mountains or so behind each other. Zancudo is one small mountain, from that angle anyway. Furthermore in the second to last pic there is a steep river valley coming down and a bridge infront of it. I've highlighted it but you won't be able to see it well because of the highlight, reference it with the original pic to see it more clearly.

Zancudo lacks the river valley, the bridge, the multiple mountains and so on. Not to mention all the trees, foliage and bridges seen in pictures inside the range of the first picture here:

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Oh my god I'm such an idiot. IGNORE this post! Completely misread everything there. Good job on the road mapping!

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:11 PM

QUOTE (RockStarNiko @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 20:50)
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QUOTE (lxr @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 20:40)
QUOTE (zombie elvis @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 20:39)
Your first pic is not Zancudo. That's probably the little pointy one in the middle of the east edge of the map.

Yup, the pictures show Mt. Sandy, Mt. Alamo, (probably) Mt. Alamo, and Mt. Zancudo.

The second one isn't Alamo, it's again too small and nowhere near on the scale of the third.

Anyway, my point is that massive triangle mountain, "Alamo" in this case, just can't possibly be Zancudo in my eyes. Zancudo's environment is different and it's so much smaller. We can see this when comparing the scale of character models with the mountain itself.

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I wonder where the source is for this river.

To me it definitely looks like it is travelling downhill away from us

In the Zancudo screenshot you can see a waterfall, so the river is flowing towards us

So if they are same mountain that matches

But i wonder where the river source is?

Anyone noticed the mountians waaaay back in the backround? Where could that be?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:13 PM

QUOTE (japse123 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:11)
Anyone noticed the mountians waaaay back in the backround? Where could that be?

See here.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:17 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:13)
QUOTE (japse123 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:11)
Anyone noticed the mountians waaaay back in the backround? Where could that be?

See here.

I see the guy who named those mountians made the names up, does that mean that the area we see there is most likely the part of the map we havnt seen?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:26 PM

Looks to me to be in the direction of the Welcome to the Zancudo River promotional image, just further along that small river that we see going off to the West in that image. Mountains can make things look really small, so while that promotional image might have dry terrain further along the river it can be green like in the airplane shot we're discussing.

Don't know what the consensus is about these shots and what they represent though are. I feel not everyone is even using Mt. Zancudo or Chilliad for the same mountain.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:27 PM

QUOTE (GKP @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 13:04)
Sorry - some people can talk about island size but city size is taboo - even when new info (or opinion) was given today.

Your precious , precious maps may need to be updated btw considering most so far have not represented the countryside to city ratio correctly.

Haven't you taken a hint yet, GKP? This is a mapping thread, not a size thread - and you've been warned many times by Kirsty. If you want to constantly complain about the size of Los Santos or make fun of it, then go back to that awful Los Santos thread and stop wasting space here.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:29 PM

Has anybody updated their maps for us to see?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:33 PM

QUOTE (japse123 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:17)
QUOTE (lxr @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:13)
QUOTE (japse123 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:11)
Anyone noticed the mountians waaaay back in the backround? Where could that be?

See here.

I see the guy who named those mountians made the names up, does that mean that the area we see there is most likely the part of the map we havnt seen?

If you browse the full album, you'll see that the mountains in the background are all within the known territory, i.e. they're all visible in other shots, at well-established locaions.

QUOTE (CaptRobau @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:26)
Looks to me to be in the direction of the Welcome to the Zancudo River promotional image, just further along that small river that we see going off to the West in that image. Mountains can make things look really small, so while that promotional image might have dry terrain further along the river it can be green like in the airplane shot we're discussing.

Don't know what the consensus is about these shots and what they represent though are. I feel not everyone is even using Mt. Zancudo or Chilliad for the same mountain.

Basically, the new screen is the reverse shot of the left side of the Zancudo River postcard.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:36 PM

QUOTE (Kifflom112 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:27)
[...] stop wasting space here.

Yeah, no need to waste even more space by keeping that conversation going.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:38 PM

Ok so the lighthouse isn't far north of the Alamo sea. So our endless ocean is not far north of Alamo sea? This makes the map somewhat cramped doesn't it? I hope all these huge aerial shots aren't just trick photography and any way you turn you'd see ocean....

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:43 PM

QUOTE (LotusRIP @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:38)
Ok so the lighthouse isn't far north of the Alamo sea. So our endless ocean is not far north of Alamo sea? This makes the map somewhat cramped doesn't it? I hope all these huge aerial shots aren't just trick photography and any way you turn you'd see ocean....

For now, I'd rather think of that lighthouse as being in the north-east corner of the map. It's also not exactly close to the Alamo Sea. And we know there's more territory north of the Alamo Sea -- most likely all the shots with train tracks, the diner/rocket, the surrounding mountains, plus some of the unknown peaks.

Same with the eastern part of the map. In terms of vegetation, that desert image (with Mt. Sandy) could be in the east, and it shows some rather vast, unknown terrain.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:45 PM

Ignore my city
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View from the Bank tower:
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Zancudo and Alamo from the same point at Sandy Shores:
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:48 PM

Pretty damn tight Elvis. Really helps to get a feel for the landscape as a whole, and is super close to the released screenshots.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:49 PM

QUOTE (zombie elvis @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:45)
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Hm... yeah, I see your point.

Nothing beats having a model, I guess.

Still, I don't see the rather flat top of Mt. Alamo, behind the city. I think to convince anyone, you'd have to point out a few points on that mountain flank that are identical.

But... yeah, you got me thinking...

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:51 PM

QUOTE (DS 17 @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 19:02)
QUOTE (hachiroku @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 19:58)
I realized with today´s pics that we have no idea about the map.

Don't understand what your are talking about?
It's already confirmed that the maps in this thread are pretty accurate.

Yes, but we don't know the exact place of Grapeseed. We don't have any clue about the south and north limits of L.A.. We don't know if there is anything beyond Zancudo Mt. Even, if I'm not wrong, we have not located the windmill of Trailer #1 or some small town.

Actually, the only things we know is: Landmarks of Los Angeles that appears in Los Santos. The position of the lake and some mountains according to the lake.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:53 PM

I'm glad to hear the maps created by this thread are fairly accurate. Very great work guys.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:56 PM

The only question I still ponder on is this...Why would Rockstar create the Alamo Sea (Salton Sea) north of LA? The real Salton Sea and Desert Shores is way southeast of LA towards San Diego.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:00 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (zombie elvis @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:45)
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Hm... yeah, I see your point.

Nothing beats having a model, I guess.

Still, I don't see the rather flat top of Mt. Alamo, behind the city. I think to convince anyone, you'd have to point out a few points on that mountain flank that are identical.

But... yeah, you got me thinking...


Here's the view from Trevor's perspective, it's not perfect as I need to shift the whole mountain Northwards before I do any more to it.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:03 PM

QUOTE (lxr @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:49)
But... yeah, you got me thinking...

So, yeah, the shape of the mountain (also the shape of your Mt. Alamo vs. the actual Mt. Alamo) tells me you're wrong.

But this screen, which has no trace of the lower end of the Mt. Zancudo triangle north of Vinewood Hill, suggests that you're actually right.

Hmm...

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:04 PM

http://www.gtaforums...entry1062160692

I think it might be "B" now. There doesn't seem to be enough space to get everything lined up correctly if it's "A".

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:05 PM Edited by lxr, 02 May 2013 - 11:12 PM.

QUOTE (zombie elvis @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 23:00)
QUOTE (lxr @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:49)
QUOTE (zombie elvis @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 22:45)
[IMAGES]

Hm... yeah, I see your point.

Nothing beats having a model, I guess.

Still, I don't see the rather flat top of Mt. Alamo, behind the city. I think to convince anyone, you'd have to point out a few points on that mountain flank that are identical.

But... yeah, you got me thinking...


Here's the view from Trevor's perspective, it's not perfect as I need to shift the whole mountain Northwards before I do any more to it.
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HOLY SH*T!!

I'd say you've made a major discovery.

(And please keep going with that model wink.gif )

Edit: If there's a lesson to be learned here, at least for me, is that one should never imagine a mountain having just two sides, like "the sea-facing flank of Mt. Alamo", vs. "behind Mt. Alamo", since in fact, every mountain has many different sides, depending on where you stand. And that it's very hard, at least for me, to actually abandon that simplistic view of mountains.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:15 PM Edited by zombie elvis, 02 May 2013 - 11:21 PM.

QUOTE (Choco Taco @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 23:04)
http://www.gtaforums...entry1062160692

I think it might be "B" now.  There doesn't seem to be enough space to get everything lined up correctly if it's "A".

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I'd not noticed that peak from the boat but here's the view from thereabouts.
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QUOTE (lxr @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 23:05)

I'd say you've made a major discovery.

(And please keep going with that model wink.gif )

Edit: If there's a lesson to be learned here, at least for me, is that one should never imagine a mountain having just two sides, like "the sea-facing flank of Mt. Alamo", vs. "behind Mt. Alamo", since in fact, every mountain has many different sides, depending on where you stand. And that it's very hard, at least for me, to actually abandon that simplistic view of mountains.


It was only today I realised it wasn't Zancudo, it was quite weird that I'd been posting pics of the model before then. I just had to go back and tweak the sizes of each mountain until it looked right from the city.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:22 PM Edited by lxr, 02 May 2013 - 11:29 PM.

QUOTE (zombie elvis @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 23:15)
I'd not noticed that peak from the boat but here's the view from thereabouts.
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Wow, that's damn good, too.

I really think the future of mapping Los Santos is 3D models.

Just curious: are you close to being able to replicate this one, or this one, too?

Edit: Ah, I see, you've kind of already done that.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:26 PM

QUOTE (Kirsty @ Thursday, May 2 2013, 14:51)
Have you guys managed to differentiate between Mount Chiliad and Mount Josiah yet? They talked about MC not being the only peak in the game in the CVG preview.

(Sorry if mentioned, haven't read the last couple of pages)

Quoting because I'd like to know too.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:36 PM

@zombie elvis Your work is pretty amazing, for a while now I thought the mountain peak seen behind Vinewood Hill, to the left, was too big to be Mt. Zancudo. The position of the mountains on your map make a lot more sense imo.
I'm still curious to find out where the lighthouse is located, and what mountain peak that is in the middle. Hopefully you'll be able to answer that in a few days with your work.
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EDIT: Changed image size.




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